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  1. That's OK, I'll stick with Vanguard.

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    my area of expertise is finance. studies show that picking stocks at
    random is the best way to pick stocks. eg buy index funds. these
    studies leave no room for doubt . it is black and white. simple math.
    of course nobody making a living in finance is ever going to admit
    this, but anyone with a background in math can immediately understand
    the studies.

    Here is some evidence that contradicts your claims. One can easily
    find more. I am lucky that you are not my fund manager! 🙂

    http://www.bnet.com/abstract.aspx?&scid=1631&docid=73338

    Jan

    10,20,30 years is not statistically significant given the variability.
    even if some outperformance is persistent, it is immaterial compared
    to the high management expenses you pay with active funds. in other
    words, stick with index funds because their low mers more than
    compensate for any outperformance by active funds. most studies
    suggest there is negative persistence.

  2. Vanguard is good. Very good. Bogle is my God. I have a couple of his
    books eg intelligent investing. You can't go wrong with vanguard. Us
    canadians had to get US addresses to buy that stuff. the vanguard
    wilshire 5000 is trading as etf on amex. I bought some recently .
    vanguard total return fund is all you really need for US exposure. you
    don't need any other index funds. Bogle is a hero amongst a bunch of
    us up canada where mers are 2.5% which means you lose 40% of your
    return.

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    That's OK, I'll stick with Vanguard.

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    >
    > my area of expertise is finance. studies show that picking stocks at
    > random is the best way to pick stocks. eg buy index funds. these
    > studies leave no room for doubt . it is black and white. simple math.
    > of course nobody making a living in finance is ever going to admit
    > this, but anyone with a background in math can immediately understand
    > the studies.

    Here is some evidence that contradicts your claims. One can easily
    find more. I am lucky that you are not my fund manager! 🙂

    http://www.bnet.com/abstract.aspx?&scid=1631&docid=73338

    Jan

    10,20,30 years is not statistically significant given the variability.
    even if some outperformance is persistent, it is immaterial compared
    to the high management expenses you pay with active funds. in other
    words, stick with index funds because their low mers more than
    compensate for any outperformance by active funds. most studies
    suggest there is negative persistence.

  3. to be clear , vamguard are index funds and that means they buy the
    entire market which is what i advocate. it buying stocks at random.

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    >
    > my area of expertise is finance. studies show that picking stocks at
    > random is the best way to pick stocks. eg buy index funds. these
    > studies leave no room for doubt . it is black and white. simple math.
    > of course nobody making a living in finance is ever going to admit
    > this, but anyone with a background in math can immediately understand
    > the studies.

    Here is some evidence that contradicts your claims. One can easily
    find more. I am lucky that you are not my fund manager! 🙂

    http://www.bnet.com/abstract.aspx?&scid=1631&docid=73338

    Jan

    10,20,30 years is not statistically significant given the variability.
    even if some outperformance is persistent, it is immaterial compared
    to the high management expenses you pay with active funds. in other
    words, stick with index funds because their low mers more than
    compensate for any outperformance by active funds. most studies
    suggest there is negative persistence.

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