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Miss Violette
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27 February 2004, 10:44 UTC #41

think of the "diet" mentality and the perfectionism thing. If I eat one
thing off the diet I failed because I didn't do it perfect, translated to
exercise, it goes, I MUST do ALL of this NOW and if I don't then its not
good enough... so you go to gym, overdo, and then you are to over worked to
go again in the next couple of day so you skip then perfectionism sets in, I
missed so I failed so I just won't do it at all, am I making any sense, I
feel like I am not explaining this good enough, Lee
skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Didn't offend, but I'm not sure what you mean?
I know that I don't want to fail at this wol. I'm also trying to change

the
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"must do everything perfectly all at once" attitude in order to be more happy with myself and my
life choices. I'm a master at beating myself up for anything.
Julie
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berlin.de...
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You know I hope you take this the right way and I don't offend you

but...
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and remember this is from someone who openly admits to not doing formal exercise... Could you be
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I
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didn't offend, Lee skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:caicnf3uFfSDgqHd3cwC-
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Hi there neighbor! I'm in the 'burbs too, but the north/northwestern

at
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the
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30ish mile point. If you want to compare more IL notes, just take the

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and the "not" out of my email address when responding.
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be
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saying how much they missed winter, blah blah blah. I think it's the

same
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in most northern states.
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do
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have
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a Bally's membership. Encouraging myself to go is a different matter

and
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getting myself to go consistantly is even more of a different matter.

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time I was in there was MLK's birthday weekend when I over did it at

the
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gym
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and couldn't get myself back into it again. I've since driven myself

into
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the parking lot and parked in it only to start the car again and drive

home
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a few times. I think that I just wasn't ready at that time. I need

to
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stop
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overdoing it and getting discouraged because I'm not in as great of

shape
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as
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I think I am. I just feel like I'm not doing enough for myself if I'm

at
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the gym for 20 minutes-does that make sense to anyone?
I'm realizing that reality and my mind's eye are two different things.

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rather be in the mind's eye version of me.
Julie
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> I really do understand your dilemma, seems no one in the chicagoland

area
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likes
> the cold ... yet we all are still here. <G> I'm a chicagoan also,

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> close. I'm in the western/southwestern 'burbs - about 30 miles from

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city
> itself. And yes, it's been cold ... but yesterday and today were
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> nice walkin' weather. <G> And trust me, in a few short months all

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people
> complaining of being out in the cold - will then be complaining

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being out in
> the heat. LOL! I have noticed a group of women in my neighborhood

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been out
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them. Not
> quite for me, I'm cold enough in my basement. <grin>
>
> I know you said you didn't like home exercise, I don't really

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maybe
> you could work out some kind of a deal with yourself ... like ... IF

I
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> butt and do something, then I can have .... whatever. I splurged on

some
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dvd's,
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hub
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splurged on
> for me) ... and am adding a bike to the mix this week (I am

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hub). If
> you have access to any equipment, maybe setting up a tv nearby and

doing
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something
> similar would give you the incentive to start somekind of a routine.

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better
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and
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move
> around better. Maybe joining an exercise class at the local Y? Or

check
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into the
> Curves program, is relatively inexpensive and quick, and from what

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heard
> everyone that has tried it loves it. I know there are tons in the

chicago
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area.
> Just some options to think about ...
>
> As far as the trek up and down those library stairs ....... I'm

bad,
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very
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bad -
> have been known to use the elevator. <grin>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:47:06 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]>

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>
> >I work with people who don't like the cold and it's still "cold"

here
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> >Chicagoland, but I'm taking names and I think there is at least one

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> >I went the the library today and it has two floors. I forgot my

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much
> >like this feeling. I hope to make some scale progress so that I

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move
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> >around better. I'm realizing just how much I don't like this extra
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> >
> >Julie
> >
> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> >> Most of us have been there also, Julie. Exercise is good for you

and
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> >aid in
> >> getting those pounds to drop off as well as firming up the loose

stuff
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at
> >the same
> >> time. BUT ... you don't have to exercise to lose weight. I

dropped
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> >> of my weight with little to no exercise. In the summer I did

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> >> with hub, but nothing majorly exertive ... other than that, nada.

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> >> this fall when I finally pushed myself into getting back to the
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> >> then I was trying valiantly to maintain. I wish I could say

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> >> habit, but it still hasn't. Many days I really have to force

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> >> work best for you. Is there anyone at work that may be

interested
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in
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> >becoming a
> >> walking buddy with you? It might be a good break from the office
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> >for a
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get
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a
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> >little bit
> >> of exercise into your day?
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:23:49 -0600, "skiur"

<[email hidden]>
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> >>
> >> >I've had a hard time motivating myself to exercise. I keep

giving
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> >> >like it's too cold, I don't want to have to shower again that

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> >> >to the gym now I'll be up too late and will never get up for

work,
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> >> >I've tried telling myself that it's ok if I don't go to the gym

more
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than
> >> >once a week because any effort is progress. Yet I still can't

get
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> >to
> >> >go. I'm not a fan of working out at home either.
> >> >
> >> >Julie
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> All these will serve you well over the long haul. Some you may

have
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to
> >> >> return to time and time again. At least for me, some lessons

come
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> >> >> easy, some don't stick even after weeks of repetition.
> >> >>
> >> >> Self-recrimination and guilt are biggies. I know I'm not alone

in
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> >> >> struggle to overcome these tendencies. What I've discovered is

that
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I
> >> >> can lose weight even while dealing with these feelings.

Posting
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about
> >> >> those feelings here helps a lot. I'm also discovering that

exercise
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> >> >> quiets the noise of the internal critics. Maybe they get

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> >> >>
> >> >> Good for you for taking these important initial steps. Keep

coming
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> >> >> back.
> >> >>
> >> >> Prairie Roots
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:04:24 -0600, "skiur"

<[email hidden]>
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> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >It's been about a week since I've made a concious effort to
> >re-evaluate
> >> >my
> >> >> >woe.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >These are the steps I've take so far:
> >> >> >1) Journal foods with portion size and calories when

available.
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up
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> >> >> >wasn't paying attention. I redirected the need to be perfect

with
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> >> >> >to journaling and it's helped a lot. I don't feel as guilty

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> >in
> >> >> >the past.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >2) Repeating to myself that a certain food is allowed, I'm

not
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> >bad,
> >> >> >and I can have it. This one is going to take a while. I have

this
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> >> >> >conversation with myself when I portion out things like salad
> >dressing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >3) Eating smaller portions and stop when I'm not hungry any
more-this
> >> >works
> >> >> >better some days more than others.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >4) Making substitutions for foods. I really like potato

chips
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> >> >> >to WOW chips (no fat, 70 calories per serving). I really

like
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chips
> >and
> >> >I
> >> >> >don't feel like it's a diet when I can have them. It'll keep

me
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have
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> >> >> >for lunch.
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> >> >> >My weight keeps fluctuating and I'm trying to figure out

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> >> >> >weight is although I do have a pretty good idea. I stopped

taking
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> >> >> >free Xenadrine which plays a part in weight normalization.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The most important thing is that I feel better for starting

this
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> >> >> >Julie
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> >> >>
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>

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Skiur
Archived post

27 February 2004, 10:44 UTC #42

Yep. You hit the nail square on the head with that explanation and I'm still not offended. That's
exactly what I do. That's why I'm trying to take it slow and not get myself worked up about it.
I think when I am ready to start going again, I won't make any schedule deals with myself. I'll
just go and see how many times I go to the gym and won't beat myself up for it. As long as the
frequency increases, I will have done well. If I skip a week or something I'll try not to be hard
on myself about it.
Julie
"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...
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think of the "diet" mentality and the perfectionism thing. If I eat one thing off the diet I
failed because I didn't do it perfect, translated to exercise, it goes, I MUST do ALL of this
NOW and if I don't then its not good enough... so you go to gym, overdo, and then you are to
over worked

to
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go again in the next couple of day so you skip then perfectionism sets in,

I
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missed so I failed so I just won't do it at all, am I making any sense, I feel like I am not
explaining this good enough, Lee skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OvCcnb5lGbEooKDd3cwC-
[email hidden]...
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Didn't offend, but I'm not sure what you mean?
I know that I don't want to fail at this wol. I'm also trying to change

the
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"must do everything perfectly all at once" attitude in order to be more happy with myself and my
life choices. I'm a master at beating myself

up
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for anything.
Julie
"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...
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You know I hope you take this the right way and I don't offend you

but...
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and remember this is from someone who openly admits to not doing

formal
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exercise... Could you be doing it a bit too much to self sabotage,

Hope
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I
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didn't offend, Lee skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:caicnf3uFfSDgqHd3cwC-
[email hidden]...
> Hi there neighbor! I'm in the 'burbs too, but the

north/northwestern
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at
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the
> 30ish mile point. If you want to compare more IL notes, just take

the
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"is"
> and the "not" out of my email address when responding.
>
> People and weather are funny. I know that in a few short months they

will
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be
> saying how much they missed winter, blah blah blah. I think it's

the
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same
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> in most northern states.
>
> We are in an apartment and don't have space for equipment, however I

do
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have
> a Bally's membership. Encouraging myself to go is a different

matter
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and
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> getting myself to go consistantly is even more of a different

matter.
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Last
> time I was in there was MLK's birthday weekend when I over did it at

the
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gym
> and couldn't get myself back into it again. I've since driven

myself
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into
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> the parking lot and parked in it only to start the car again and

drive
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home
> a few times. I think that I just wasn't ready at that time. I need

to
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stop
> overdoing it and getting discouraged because I'm not in as great of

shape
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as
> I think I am. I just feel like I'm not doing enough for myself if

I'm
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at
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> the gym for 20 minutes-does that make sense to anyone?
>
> I'm realizing that reality and my mind's eye are two different

things.
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I'd
> rather be in the mind's eye version of me.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> > I really do understand your dilemma, seems no one in the

chicagoland
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area
> likes
> > the cold ... yet we all are still here. <G> I'm a chicagoan also,

well
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> ... pretty
> > close. I'm in the western/southwestern 'burbs - about 30 miles

from
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the
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> city
> > itself. And yes, it's been cold ... but yesterday and today were
> beautiful, very
> > nice walkin' weather. <G> And trust me, in a few short months all

the
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> people
> > complaining of being out in the cold - will then be complaining

about
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> being out in
> > the heat. LOL! I have noticed a group of women in my

neighborhood
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have
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> been out
> > walking every single day this winter, even in those few subzero

days
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we've
> had.
> > They just bundle up warrmer, get up and go - you could set a clock

by
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> them. Not
> > quite for me, I'm cold enough in my basement. <grin>
> >
> > I know you said you didn't like home exercise, I don't really

either.
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But
> maybe
> > you could work out some kind of a deal with yourself ... like ...

IF
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I
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get
> off my
> > butt and do something, then I can have .... whatever. I splurged

on
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some
> dvd's,
> > only allow myself access to them when I am on the treadmill (which

hub
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> splurged on
> > for me) ... and am adding a bike to the mix this week (I am

splurging
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on
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> hub). If
> > you have access to any equipment, maybe setting up a tv nearby and

doing
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> something
> > similar would give you the incentive to start somekind of a

routine.
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You
> may also
> > find that adding some exercise into your day will help you feel

better
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and
> move
> > around better. Maybe joining an exercise class at the local Y?

Or
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check
> into the
> > Curves program, is relatively inexpensive and quick, and from what

I've
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> heard
> > everyone that has tried it loves it. I know there are tons in the
chicago
> area.
> > Just some options to think about ...
> >
> > As far as the trek up and down those library stairs ....... I'm

bad,
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very
> bad -
> > have been known to use the elevator. <grin>
> >
> > Joyce
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:47:06 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >
> > >I work with people who don't like the cold and it's still "cold"

here
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in
> > >Chicagoland, but I'm taking names and I think there is at least

one
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other
> > >person who might be interested. We'll see.
> > >
> > >I went the the library today and it has two floors. I forgot my
notebook
> > >upstairs and turned right around to get it-boy was I winded. I

don't
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> much
> > >like this feeling. I hope to make some scale progress so that I

can
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move
> > >around better. I'm realizing just how much I don't like this

extra
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> weight.
> > >
> > >Julie
> > >
> > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > >"]news:[email hidden]...
> > >> Most of us have been there also, Julie. Exercise is good for

you
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and
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> will
> > >aid in
> > >> getting those pounds to drop off as well as firming up the

loose
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stuff
> at
> > >the same
> > >> time. BUT ... you don't have to exercise to lose weight. I

dropped
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> the
> > >majority
> > >> of my weight with little to no exercise. In the summer I did

walk
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in
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> the
> > >evening
> > >> with hub, but nothing majorly exertive ... other than that,

nada.
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It
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> > >wasn't until
> > >> this fall when I finally pushed myself into getting back to the
> treadmill,
> > >and by
> > >> then I was trying valiantly to maintain. I wish I could say

exercise
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> has
> > >become a
> > >> habit, but it still hasn't. Many days I really have to force

myself
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to
> > >get down
> > >> there, and there are also many days that I don't get around to

it.
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The
> > >trick is
> > >> to find something you really enjoy doing, then find a time of

day
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that
> > >really does
> > >> work best for you. Is there anyone at work that may be

interested
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in
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> > >becoming a
> > >> walking buddy with you? It might be a good break from the

office
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> routine
> > >for a
> > >> bit, give you time to chat and catch up with a friend, and also

get
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a
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> > >little bit
> > >> of exercise into your day?
> > >>
> > >> Joyce
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:23:49 -0600, "skiur"

<[email hidden]>
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> > >> >Julie
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> > >> >
> > >> >"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > >> >> All these will serve you well over the long haul. Some you

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> > >> >> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:04:24 -0600, "skiur"

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27 February 2004, 10:44 UTC #43

I think you are doing fine and are working on a very healthy attitude, When
you have the other stuff at a more comfortable level tackle the exercise. I
still do nothing formal because everything I try, and I do try things, I
just don't like and I am still looking, I figure that one of these days I
will find something I can stick with so I am not worried, good for you
looking at all of this so carefully, a good sign for success, Lee
skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yep. You hit the nail square on the head with that explanation and I'm still not offended. That's
exactly what I do. That's why I'm trying to take it slow and not get myself worked up about it.
I think when I am ready to start going again, I won't make any schedule deals with myself. I'll
just go and see how many times I go to the gym

and
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won't beat myself up for it. As long as the frequency increases, I will have done well. If I skip
a week or something I'll try not to be hard on myself about it.
Julie
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think of the "diet" mentality and the perfectionism thing. If I eat one thing off the diet I
failed because I didn't do it perfect, translated

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exercise, it goes, I MUST do ALL of this NOW and if I don't then its not good enough... so you
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missed so I failed so I just won't do it at all, am I making any sense,

I
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feel like I am not explaining this good enough, Lee skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Didn't offend, but I'm not sure what you mean?
I know that I don't want to fail at this wol. I'm also trying to

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> You know I hope you take this the right way and I don't offend you

but...
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> and remember this is from someone who openly admits to not doing

formal
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Hope
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> > Hi there neighbor! I'm in the 'burbs too, but the

north/northwestern
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> > Julie
> >
> >
> >
> > "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > I really do understand your dilemma, seems no one in the

chicagoland
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> > > Joyce
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> > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:47:06 -0600, "skiur"

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> > > >Julie
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> > > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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you
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loose
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> > > >> Joyce
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> > > >> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:23:49 -0600, "skiur"

<[email hidden]>
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> > > >> >I've had a hard time motivating myself to exercise. I keep

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that
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gym
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can't
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> > > >to
> > > >> >go. I'm not a fan of working out at home either.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Julie
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> > > >> >> All these will serve you well over the long haul. Some you

may
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> > to
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lessons
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> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Self-recrimination and guilt are biggies. I know I'm not

alone
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> my
> > > >> >> struggle to overcome these tendencies. What I've

discovered
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> > I
> > > >> >> can lose weight even while dealing with these feelings.

Posting
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> > > >> >> those feelings here helps a lot. I'm also discovering that
> exercise
> > > >> >> quiets the noise of the internal critics. Maybe they get

tired.
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> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Good for you for taking these important initial steps.

Keep
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coming
> > > >> >> back.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Prairie Roots
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:04:24 -0600, "skiur"
<[email hidden]>
> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >It's been about a week since I've made a concious effort

to
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available.
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picked
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perfect
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salad
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> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >3) Eating smaller portions and stop when I'm not hungry

any
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> > > >> >> >4) Making substitutions for foods. I really like potato

chips
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> > > >> >switched
> > > >> >> >to WOW chips (no fat, 70 calories per serving). I

really
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> > > >and
> > > >> >I
> > > >> >> >don't feel like it's a diet when I can have them. It'll

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me
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> > > >> >going
> > > >> >> >AWOL and I need to ease myself off the chips every time I

have
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> > > >sandwich
> > > >> >> >for lunch.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >My weight keeps fluctuating and I'm trying to figure out

where
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> > > >> >starting
> > > >> >> >weight is although I do have a pretty good idea. I

stopped
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> > > >> >ephedra
> > > >> >> >free Xenadrine which plays a part in weight

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> > > >> >> >The most important thing is that I feel better for

starting
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> > > >journey.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >Julie
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
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> > > >>
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Skiur
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27 February 2004, 10:44 UTC #44

Thanks Lee.
I'm looking at things carefully because I need to change (internally and externally for my own
sake). I've been driving myself crazy over little things that really aren't that important and
that's just no way to live. It's time for me to let all the excess baggage go. I just don't want
to fail because I feel like I've done too much of it in the past-then the self recrimination
would start.
Just because I *should* do a particular thing doesn't mean that I will until I'm ready. Apparently,
I'm very stubborn and will do said thing only when I'm ready. It just took me years to realize it.
Julie
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I think you are doing fine and are working on a very healthy attitude,

When
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you have the other stuff at a more comfortable level tackle the exercise.

I
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still do nothing formal because everything I try, and I do try things, I just don't like and I am
still looking, I figure that one of these days I will find something I can stick with so I am not
worried, good for you looking at all of this so carefully, a good sign for success, Lee skiur
<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Yep. You hit the nail square on the head with that explanation and I'm still not offended.
That's exactly what I do. That's why I'm trying to take it slow and not get myself worked up
about it.
I think when I am ready to start going again, I won't make any schedule deals with myself. I'll
just go and see how many times I go to the gym

and
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won't beat myself up for it. As long as the frequency increases, I will have done well. If I
skip a week or something I'll try not to be hard

on
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myself about it.
Julie
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berlin.de...
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think of the "diet" mentality and the perfectionism thing. If I eat

one
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thing off the diet I failed because I didn't do it perfect, translated

to
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exercise, it goes, I MUST do ALL of this NOW and if I don't then its

not
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good enough... so you go to gym, overdo, and then you are to over

worked
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to
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go again in the next couple of day so you skip then perfectionism sets

in,
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missed so I failed so I just won't do it at all, am I making any

sense,
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I
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feel like I am not explaining this good enough, Lee skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Didn't offend, but I'm not sure what you mean?
>
> I know that I don't want to fail at this wol. I'm also trying to

change
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more
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myself
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up
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>
> Julie
>
> "Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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> > You know I hope you take this the right way and I don't offend you
but...
> > and remember this is from someone who openly admits to not doing

formal
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Hope
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> > didn't offend, Lee skiur <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:caicnf3uFfSDgqHd3cwC-
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> > > Hi there neighbor! I'm in the 'burbs too, but the

north/northwestern
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take
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> > > People and weather are funny. I know that in a few short months

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> > > We are in an apartment and don't have space for equipment,

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> > > overdoing it and getting discouraged because I'm not in as great

of
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if
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> > > Julie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > > I really do understand your dilemma, seems no one in the

chicagoland
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> > > likes
> > > > the cold ... yet we all are still here. <G> I'm a chicagoan

also,
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> > > > close. I'm in the western/southwestern 'burbs - about 30

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all
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subzero
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> > > > They just bundle up warrmer, get up and go - you could set a

clock
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> > > them. Not
> > > > quite for me, I'm cold enough in my basement. <grin>
> > > >
> > > > I know you said you didn't like home exercise, I don't really
either.
> > But
> > > maybe
> > > > you could work out some kind of a deal with yourself ... like

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splurged
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(which
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> > > > for me) ... and am adding a bike to the mix this week (I am
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Y?
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what
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the
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> > very
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> > > > have been known to use the elevator. <grin>
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> > > > Joyce
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:47:06 -0600, "skiur"

<[email hidden]>
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> > > > >I work with people who don't like the cold and it's still

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> > > > >I went the the library today and it has two floors. I forgot

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> > > > >around better. I'm realizing just how much I don't like this

extra
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> > > > >
> > > > >Julie
> > > > >
> > > > >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > > >> Most of us have been there also, Julie. Exercise is good

for
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loose
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I
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of
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> > > > >> Joyce
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:23:49 -0600, "skiur"
<[email hidden]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >I've had a hard time motivating myself to exercise. I

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> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Julie
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > > >> >> All these will serve you well over the long haul. Some

you
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lessons
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> > > > >> >> Self-recrimination and guilt are biggies. I know I'm not

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> > > > >> >> Good for you for taking these important initial steps.

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> > > > >> >> Prairie Roots
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> > > > >> >> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:04:24 -0600, "skiur"
> <[email hidden]>
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> > > > >> >> >It's been about a week since I've made a concious

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> > > > >> >> >These are the steps I've take so far:
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available.
> > > This
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picked
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2 March 2004, 07:12 UTC #45

Glen Ellyn is a pretty small town, not much here - probably why I do like it, it's more like the
Naperville I grew up in and remember fondly. I am bordered by Wheaton (East), OakBrook (West),
Naperville (SouthEast) and heaven knows what is North (a lot of other smaller towns). The listed
towns aren't more than a mile or two from my home, it is a busy, busy high traffic area. I don't get
out to Schaumburg often anymore, used to when sonny boy was younger and played a lot of ball there.
Now, the kids seem to venture there more than me - they are the shoppers in the family. <G>
I have visited Atlanta a few times in my youth, had cousins who lived there (Conyers). I do remember
the weather being kind of bizarre in the winter - we hit some nasty ice storms, immediately followed
by wonderfully warm temps ... at least warm by Chicago standards.
I'm sure the ogling of those people at the gyms is more in my mind than what is really happening,
one of those lack of self-confidence issues I continually fight with. It still was enough to put me
off from going. And like you, parking at the back of malls is difficult around here. Biting winds,
driving rain, lots to prohibit me from doing it. I don't cruise the lots, but I have been known to
totally give up and shop elsewhere. Had I chosen to go out today (I didn't, was too frustrated with
trying to get my new modem working with the router), the further parking spaces would not have been
an option. The wind was absolutely horrid! I did go to my local grocery store, got hit with the cold
needle-like rain pelting on me as I left. Winds were gusting horribly by the time I returned home,
branches and garbage cans blowing all over the streets. Then the power started going on and off.
Just another fun day in the midwest. <G> For me, parking at the back of the lots is more of a safety
issue. Not the smartest thing to do for a lone female. I hate to say how many stories I hear of
women attacked when walking alone in parking lots.
Good for you for skipping those birthday cakes! I haven't had the cake from Portillo's but my
youngest girl loves it. Baker's square might have been a different story though ... depending on
what kind. <G> I do understand what your friend is saying about sometimes having to push yourself -
but you don't have to do it all at once. Right now you are pushing yourself with making healthier
eating choices, cutting back on snacking and portion sizes. You'll know when you're ready. Hard to
explain, but for me it was just *one of those days* when I decided to make the move. Much later in
the game, but still better than never. One step at a time, as I say.
Joyce
skiur said:
I'm in Schaumburg. I've heard of Glen Ellyn, but I'm more familiar with Oakbrook and Naperville.
The only time I missed winter was when I lived in Atlanta where it was "cold" (20s at night) for
only a month or so. Spring hit like gangbusters and I had to start popping allergy tablets in late
February-it was aweful for me.
Sometimes I feel the way you did. I don't like drawing attention to myself too much at the gym, but
the people here don't ogle as much as where I used to live. I actually do park at the back of the
parking lot at work. It's too cold (windy really) for me to treck across the lot at malls or
groceries, but I don't cruise around for the closest spot in the lot anymore.
Today was birthday cake day for February birthday's where I work. I didn't have any (two cakes from
Portillos and Baker's Square) so I was just talking with one of the women. She asked why I wasn't
having any and I told her that I was watching what I was eating in attempts to lose weight. She is
very enthusiastic about working out. I had mentioned that I wasn't ready and she was saying how
"sometimes you have to push yourself", etc. I understand where she's coming from, but I don't think
I'm ready to start the gym excursions quite yet.
Julie
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Not too sure how many notes there are to compare about IL, I tend to try

to ignore
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most of it, have lived here way too long. <G> Are you in the Schaumburg

neck of
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the woods? I'm figuring you must be due north of me (Glen Ellyn, Ummmm,

Oakbrook
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or Naperville if you need a bigger nearby town to get an idea where I am)
LOL! One thing you will never hear me say is that I miss winter. I have

never
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enjoyed the cold. I do like the changes of seasons, but also wish we only

had 3
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of them (guess which one I am omitting).
I never did the bally thing, but did belong to a local health club a few

years
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ago. I had a major problem with going, seemed everyone there were those

super
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skinny model types that made me wonder what the heck they were doing

there. Ok,
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that was the *old* me, now I know what they were/are doing there and can

accept
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it. I guess it was a confidence issue, or lack of. I had no self

confidence,
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felt like the minute I walked in there everyone was looking at the fat

lady and
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just humoring me. So I stopped going. Had I had someone to go with, it

might
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have been different - I don't know though. I think I am just one of those

loner
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type personalities, probably why I knew that the ww storefront and

meetings were
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not going to be the answer for me. I work well alone, I can push myself -

but put
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me in a group and forget it. Again, lack of self confidence? Or maybe

residual
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issues from the severe depression/anxiety/panic junk I dealt with.
If all you feel like doing is 20 minutes, then do 20 minutes! I look at

it as ...
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it's 20 more minutes than I was doing before. Would maybe a home exercise

video
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work better for you? That might be an interim solution to get you over

the hump.
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Or even something as goofy as parking at the rear of the parking lot at

work,
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grocery shopping, malls, etc. That walking is exercise, and more than

likely is
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out of the ordinary routine (although if it's at night it probably isn't a

smart
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idea to be walking that far alone).
If you're not ready, you're not ready. No reason to beat yourself up

about it,
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and no reason to feel guilty. When you feel you are ready, then try

again. You
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CAN lose weight without the formalized exercise - I did and I think Lee

also has
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said she has had no formal exercise. It is more difficult, a bit slower,

but
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definitely possible.
Joyce
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Hi there neighbor! I'm in the 'burbs too, but the north/northwestern at

the
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30ish mile point. If you want to compare more IL notes, just take the

"is"
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and the "not" out of my email address when responding.
People and weather are funny. I know that in a few short months they will

be
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saying how much they missed winter, blah blah blah. I think it's the

same
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in most northern states.
We are in an apartment and don't have space for equipment, however I do

have
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a Bally's membership. Encouraging myself to go is a different matter and getting myself to go
consistantly is even more of a different matter.

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time I was in there was MLK's birthday weekend when I over did it at the

gym
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and couldn't get myself back into it again. I've since driven myself

into
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the parking lot and parked in it only to start the car again and drive

home
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a few times. I think that I just wasn't ready at that time. I need to

stop
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overdoing it and getting discouraged because I'm not in as great of shape

as
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I think I am. I just feel like I'm not doing enough for myself if I'm at the gym for 20 minutes-
does that make sense to anyone?
I'm realizing that reality and my mind's eye are two different things.

I'd
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rather be in the mind's eye version of me.
Julie
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> I really do understand your dilemma, seems no one in the chicagoland

area
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likes
> the cold ... yet we all are still here. <G> I'm a chicagoan also, well
... pretty
> close. I'm in the western/southwestern 'burbs - about 30 miles from

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city
> itself. And yes, it's been cold ... but yesterday and today were
beautiful, very
> nice walkin' weather. <G> And trust me, in a few short months all the
people
> complaining of being out in the cold - will then be complaining about
being out in
> the heat. LOL! I have noticed a group of women in my neighborhood

have
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been out
> walking every single day this winter, even in those few subzero days

we've
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had.
> They just bundle up warrmer, get up and go - you could set a clock by
them. Not
> quite for me, I'm cold enough in my basement. <grin>
>
> I know you said you didn't like home exercise, I don't really either.

But
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maybe
> you could work out some kind of a deal with yourself ... like ... IF I

get
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off my
> butt and do something, then I can have .... whatever. I splurged on

some
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dvd's,
> only allow myself access to them when I am on the treadmill (which hub
splurged on
> for me) ... and am adding a bike to the mix this week (I am splurging

on
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hub). If
> you have access to any equipment, maybe setting up a tv nearby and

doing
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something
> similar would give you the incentive to start somekind of a routine.

You
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may also
> find that adding some exercise into your day will help you feel better

and
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move
> around better. Maybe joining an exercise class at the local Y? Or

check
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into the
> Curves program, is relatively inexpensive and quick, and from what I've
heard
> everyone that has tried it loves it. I know there are tons in the

chicago
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area.
> Just some options to think about ...
>
> As far as the trek up and down those library stairs ....... I'm bad,

very
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bad -
> have been known to use the elevator. <grin>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:47:06 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]>

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> >I work with people who don't like the cold and it's still "cold" here

in
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> >Chicagoland, but I'm taking names and I think there is at least one

other
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> >person who might be interested. We'll see.
> >
> >I went the the library today and it has two floors. I forgot my

notebook
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> >upstairs and turned right around to get it-boy was I winded. I don't
much
> >like this feeling. I hope to make some scale progress so that I can

move
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> >around better. I'm realizing just how much I don't like this extra
weight.
> >
> >Julie
> >
> >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> >> Most of us have been there also, Julie. Exercise is good for you

and
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will
> >aid in
> >> getting those pounds to drop off as well as firming up the loose

stuff
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at
> >the same
> >> time. BUT ... you don't have to exercise to lose weight. I dropped
the
> >majority
> >> of my weight with little to no exercise. In the summer I did walk

in
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the
> >evening
> >> with hub, but nothing majorly exertive ... other than that, nada.

It
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> >wasn't until
> >> this fall when I finally pushed myself into getting back to the
treadmill,
> >and by
> >> then I was trying valiantly to maintain. I wish I could say

exercise
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has
> >become a
> >> habit, but it still hasn't. Many days I really have to force myself

to
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> >get down
> >> there, and there are also many days that I don't get around to it.

The
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> >trick is
> >> to find something you really enjoy doing, then find a time of day

that
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> >really does
> >> work best for you. Is there anyone at work that may be interested

in
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> >becoming a
> >> walking buddy with you? It might be a good break from the office
routine
> >for a
> >> bit, give you time to chat and catch up with a friend, and also get

a
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> >little bit
> >> of exercise into your day?
> >>
> >> Joyce
> >>
> >> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:23:49 -0600, "skiur" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've had a hard time motivating myself to exercise. I keep giving
> >excuses
> >> >like it's too cold, I don't want to have to shower again that day,

If
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I
> >go
> >> >to the gym now I'll be up too late and will never get up for work,
etc.
> >> >I've tried telling myself that it's ok if I don't go to the gym

more
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than
> >> >once a week because any effort is progress. Yet I still can't get
myself
> >to
> >> >go. I'm not a fan of working out at home either.
> >> >
> >> >Julie
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Prairie Roots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> All these will serve you well over the long haul. Some you may

have
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to
> >> >> return to time and time again. At least for me, some lessons come easy, some don't stick
> >> >> even after weeks of repetition.
> >> >>
> >> >> Self-recrimination and guilt are biggies. I know I'm not alone in

my
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> >> >> struggle to overcome these tendencies. What I've discovered is

that
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I
> >> >> can lose weight even while dealing with these feelings. Posting
about
> >> >> those feelings here helps a lot. I'm also discovering that

exercise
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> >> >> quiets the noise of the internal critics. Maybe they get tired.
> >> >>
> >> >> Good for you for taking these important initial steps. Keep

coming
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> >> >> back.
> >> >>
> >> >> Prairie Roots
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:04:24 -0600, "skiur"

<[email hidden]>
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> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >It's been about a week since I've made a concious effort to
> >re-evaluate
> >> >my
> >> >> >woe.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >These are the steps I've take so far:
> >> >> >1) Journal foods with portion size and calories when available.
This
> >has
> >> >> >already helped me put the brakes to some habits that I picked up
when
> >I
> >> >> >wasn't paying attention. I redirected the need to be perfect

with
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the
> >> >woe
> >> >> >to journaling and it's helped a lot. I don't feel as guilty as

I
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have
> >in
> >> >> >the past.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >2) Repeating to myself that a certain food is allowed, I'm not
being
> >bad,
> >> >> >and I can have it. This one is going to take a while. I have

this
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> >> >> >conversation with myself when I portion out things like salad
> >dressing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >3) Eating smaller portions and stop when I'm not hungry any
more-this
> >> >works
> >> >> >better some days more than others.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >4) Making substitutions for foods. I really like potato chips

so I
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> >> >switched
> >> >> >to WOW chips (no fat, 70 calories per serving). I really like
chips
> >and
> >> >I
> >> >> >don't feel like it's a diet when I can have them. It'll keep me
from
> >> >going
> >> >> >AWOL and I need to ease myself off the chips every time I have a
> >sandwich
> >> >> >for lunch.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >My weight keeps fluctuating and I'm trying to figure out where

my
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> >> >starting
> >> >> >weight is although I do have a pretty good idea. I stopped

taking
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> >> >ephedra
> >> >> >free Xenadrine which plays a part in weight normalization.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The most important thing is that I feel better for starting this
> >journey.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Julie
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

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