Armstrong documentary

1) I believe whistleblower insiders, not industry shills who are on the payroll. That is the difference.

Whistleblowers are NEVER jealous liars. They lose money by speaking out.

2) There are NO DRUG tests for:

hGH, or EuiGen (hormones used by Ausssies at AIS)

EPO is still undetectable (very subjective and expensive analysis, underfunded)

Interlukins, insulin, stimulants taken post sample, testosterone/epitestosterone

reseach drugs (not clinically approved)

designer drugs (cannot be tested until known)

Viagra, vasodilators

And blood is not removed 60 minute prior to a TT effort as that is considered harrassment (yet would catch the illegal stimulants)

Samples can be saved until the cows come home---and since no tests exist, it is just public relation stunt.

A better question is: Why argue with me, why not respect what Don Catlin says? He is the WADA-certified UCLA Lab Directior with a $2,000,000 annual budget for ALL sports.

That includes steroids in NCAA, NFL, Track and cycling.

The testing is a farse.

Quit chasing your tail and get a grasp. Athletes fear housekeepers and policemen, NOT dope control.

The drugs help performance--and are not detectable--so why are you surprised?

Sport is a business, not a Corinthean hobby.

House said:

2 questions, try to answer them directly without ad hominum attacks or off-on-a-tangent tirades...for once.

1) If you are inclined to believe "industry insiders" why do always ignore the comments that claim Lance is clean?

2) How do you explain that none of the saved urine or blood of Lance that has been save for the last six years, tested and retested has not come up positive with all of the advances in testing?

Go back and read the posts.

Curt Schilling's Mr Potato Head Sports Illustrated remarks were lost on Capitol Hill when Curt spontaneously couldn't remember even seeing a syringe in his 17 years in the MLB. Me thinks he fibbed. Last year he pitched in the World Series with a torn achilles tendon. He is a real tough guy.

I do not think Curt is honest. High paid as a shill for MLB. Faye Vincient even said so.

Tous Dope means EVERYONE is on drugs!

thebluetrain said:

If doping is so rampant in sports and everyone is "pretending that our heroic athletes are clean" why do you consistently point the finger at LA? I havent read all your posts on here but the ones I have read mostly include LA doping issues. Do you feel the same about Barry Bonds and MLB, NFL, NBA etc? If doping is so rampant in cycling why dont you provide facts about all the other cyclists? Where are you from?

Flyer said:

1) I believe whistleblower insiders, not industry shills who are on the payroll. That is the difference.

Whistleblowers are NEVER jealous liars. They lose money by speaking out.

2) There are NO DRUG tests for:

hGH, or EuiGen (hormones used by Ausssies at AIS)

EPO is still undetectable (very subjective and expensive analysis, underfunded)

Interlukins, insulin, stimulants taken post sample, testosterone/epitestosterone

reseach drugs (not clinically approved)

designer drugs (cannot be tested until known)

Viagra, vasodilators

And blood is not removed 60 minute prior to a TT effort as that is considered harrassment (yet would catch the illegal stimulants)

Samples can be saved until the cows come home---and since no tests exist, it is just public relation stunt.

A better question is: Why argue with me, why not respect what Don Catlin says? He is the WADA-certified UCLA Lab Directior with a $2,000,000 annual budget for ALL sports.

That includes steroids in NCAA, NFL, Track and cycling.

The testing is a farse.

Quit chasing your tail and get a grasp. Athletes fear housekeepers and policemen, NOT dope control.

The drugs help performance--and are not detectable--so why are you surprised?

Sport is a business, not a Corinthean hobby.

Once again you run off track into another tirade...because you can't answer any question directly with an intelligent response. Your answer to my first question proves what I have said all along about you. It's all about hate and attention, even if it means lying or ignoring what doesn't fit. Why you continue to embarrass yourself so horribly is a mystery to me. I will now prepare myself to laugh at your response filled with ad hominum attacks (which you cry like a baby about) and tired tirades full of lies, half truths and hatred for the sport.

(by the way I am still wondering where the "100% doped" thing went all of a sudden! LOL! oh and why did you never respond to my last post to you in the doping forum? Amazing how often you will either run and hide or just repost some previous tirade filled with lies and half-truths. Still waiting for you to step up to my challenges as well, mainly the one that would see either you are me leave this forum for good.)

I guess Major Taylor Day at the track got cancelled.

Cause House has had his roof collapse, yet again.

Don Catlin will not be surprised by the insane rants a true Doping Apologist.

House go boom!

Hey House,
I read ALL the posts on this forum that relate to cycling/racing, training, or bike questions and have NEVER seen Flyer post anything that pertains to cycling. All his posts are about doping. I don't think he even knows how to ride!

snyper0311 said:

Hey House,
I read ALL the posts on this forum that relate to cycling/racing, training, or bike questions and have NEVER seen Flyer post anything that pertains to cycling. All his posts are about doping. I don't think he even knows how to ride!

He had one or two. Notice he did exactly what said he would do. He is merely a joke we have heard over 1000 times.

Yet another 'jealous lie' making you a 'jealous liar' just like a pro cyclist. Are you Tyler's brother?

Or do you work for Festina Alum?

After nine stages of the Tour, former 'admitted under oath dopers' Christophe Moreau #2 GC, Laurent Brochard #49 GC and Didier Rous #65 are enoying another doped out TDF. Is that not ironic?

Brochard has the aditional honor of being the 1997 World Road Champion who 'tested positive for lidocaine' BUT was covered up by UCI director Hein Verbrugan. The 1998 Champion Oscar Camenzind was EPO DQed last summer on a surprise visit to his home by agressive Swiss controllers.

Gotta love your doped federations too.

You losers have a nice day.

btw: for a guy who cannot ride a bike---I certainly can win a few races on two wheels (Mtb, track, road, crits, and motorcycling too)

You look for that horse hormone (EquiGen) I think it is in Del Monte, Australia, very near the AIS velodrome.

David French (Mark's dad) knows a little about AIS policy on performances.

snyper0311 said:

Hey House,
I read ALL the posts on this forum that relate to cycling/racing, training, or bike questions and have NEVER seen Flyer post anything that pertains to cycling. All his posts are about doping. I don't think he even knows how to ride!

Flyer said:

Yet another 'jealous lie' making you a 'jealous liar' just like a pro cyclist. Are you Tyler's brother?

Or do you work for Festina Alum?

After nine stages of the Tour, former 'admitted under oath dopers' Christophe Moreau #2 GC, Laurent Brochard #49 GC and Didier Rous #65 are enoying another doped out TDF. Is that not ironic?

Brochard has the aditional honor of being the 1997 World Road Champion who 'tested positive for lidocaine' BUT was covered up by UCI director Hein Verbrugan. The 1998 Champion Oscar Camenzind was EPO DQed last summer on a surprise visit to his home by agressive Swiss controllers.

Gotta love your doped federations too.

You losers have a nice day.

btw: for a guy who cannot ride a bike---I certainly can win a few races on two wheels (Mtb, track, road, crits, and motorcycling too)

You look for that horse hormone (EquiGen) I think it is in Del Monte, Australia, very near the AIS velodrome.

David French (Mark's dad) knows a little about AIS policy on performances.

"BlAh, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, BULSHIT! BlAh, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, BULSHIT!
Oh, by the way, I can ride a bike , too!"
"BlAh, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, BULSHIT! BlAh, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, BULSHIT!"

Spoken as a true drug addict.

Seek help before you hurt yourself further. Your contributions merely validate that you have much to hide. Not that you can stop it. You cannot.

Meanwhile lots of doping confirmations:

Let's examine the case of super liar Johan Museeuw---probably of cousin of pack-fodder syniper man.

Back in 1997 the Polish Amateur World Champion died of a mysterious heart failure at AGE 26!!! He was using a doctor Yvon Vanmole. Johan Museeuw's doctor at the time.

The Polish press was calling Vanmole a 'murderer' and this caused Museeuw to do an interview in a Polish newspaper bragging that he (Museeuw) had taken thousands of drugs tests and NEVER TESTED POSITIVE, thus proving both he and his doctor were clean. He was not a murderer.

Fast forward to 2004 and Museeuw has a 4-year suspension for illegal use of araNESP and banned products.

When idiots such as House and synperweasle make wrongheaded comments---they very much are on the dark side of the sporting fraud.

One wonders if they collect a fee for acting so evil.

snyper0311 said:

"BlAh, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, BULSHIT! BlAh, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, BULSHIT!
Oh, by the way, I can ride a bike , too!"
"BlAh, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, BULSHIT! BlAh, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, BULSHIT!"

The dead Amateur World Road Champion was Joachim Halupczok, age 26, heart failure.

His doctor, Yvon Vanmole.

Johan Museeuw defended Vanmole and bragged about thousands of drugs tests (despite no EPO or hGH test) and he exagerated the number as well.

Look who is the confirmed doper today. Johan Museeuw is a proven cheat, liar, fraud and associates with murderers.

Great group of thugs!

Can you think of others just like Johan?

All the presidents in the world, all the corporate businesses in the world, most professional athletes................want more names! That's society....interesting and disturbing huh! Can't change it...........

Flyer said:

The dead Amateur World Road Champion was Joachim Halupczok, age 26, heart failure.

His doctor, Yvon Vanmole.

Johan Museeuw defended Vanmole and bragged about thousands of drugs tests (despite no EPO or hGH test) and he exagerated the number as well.

Look who is the confirmed doper today. Johan Museeuw is a proven cheat, liar, fraud and associates with murderers.

Great group of thugs!

Can you think of others just like Johan?

OK---you got me.

But I was referring to lying, cheating, fraudulent cyclists racing in this Tour de France.

I already knew the teams were funded with corporate advertising monies--built upon deception and false themes. (Nike supports Kobe Bryant too)

Cheers!

MJtje said:

All the presidents in the world, all the corporate businesses in the world, most professional athletes................want more names! That's society....interesting and disturbing huh! Can't change it...........

For someone who cries so much about personal attacks and ad hominum attacks Flyer sure does include a lot in his posts...along with the lies and half truths. I guess as the biggest coward on this forum we can't expect any more from him!

Bring it on Major Taylor newbie!

Read and learn about so-called drugs testing!!!!!

If UCLA's Don Catlin won't impress you---you need major pyschiatric help.

outside.away.comdrugs in sports 1.htmlOpen ↗

Quit whining and stop doping!

House said:

For someone who cries so much about personal attacks and ad hominum attacks Flyer sure does include a lot in his posts...along with the lies and half truths. I guess as the biggest coward on this forum we can't expect any more from him!

As someone new to cycling, I have gained much inspiration from and respect for the man who has won the Tour de France 6 times for the past 6 years. I can only imagine the many more people whom he has inspired with his life's victories. As a newby to cycling I would be really disapointed to find out that his story was half true. I would be even more disapointed to learn that there is compelling evidence that he has been doping and deceiving his fans all this time. I don't want to believe but at the same time I don't want to be naive.

So, could someone please show me the proof? And if there is none, please allow me to continue to admire and respect the man for whom I believe him to be.

Thanks,
Daviie

Flyer said:

If UCLA's Don Catlin won't impress you---you need major pyschiatric help.

His credentials are good. The article says he's good at detecting drugs he knows about, not so good at staying ahead of new ones. In essence, he says some athletes may be doping and he woudn't be able to tell. There is a difference of opinion between him and WADA as to whether current testing methods can accurately detect HGH, etc.

He doesn't say he thinks everyone is doping; he simply believes there are those who do, and that testing methods need to be improved. I agree with him.

What I do not agree with is your suggestion that there needs to be a presumption of guilt imposed upon the athletes. You are basically saying that because a respected sports physician opines that drug testing is not foolproof, we must presume that all athletes (especially the successful ones you happen to dislike 😉 ) must necessarily be on the juice.

Sorry, but the article simply confirms that there is a dispute as to the efficacy and reliability of sports drug testing. Forgive me if I cannot stifle a yawn.

Flyer said:

Bring it on Major Taylor newbie!

Read and learn about so-called drugs testing!!!!!

If UCLA's Don Catlin won't impress you---you need major pyschiatric help.

outside.away.comdrugs in sports 1.htmlOpen ↗

Quit whining and stop doping!

Wow, the coward once again didn't respond to what I said, merely reposted a link, tried to rip on me about wanting to try track riding and said nothing. Step up to the challenge or would you rather keep proving what a coward you are? I think we all know the answer to that one!

In light of dozens of unexplained deaths amonst young pro cyclists, dozens of confessions, teamwide scandals involving blood doping and illegal trauma medications, from 1991 PDM, to 1998 Festina, TVM, 2004 Cofidis, 2001 Liquigas, 2004 Kelme, 2001 Mapei (left sport due to doping) and the many athletes who have been confrimed as both liars and cheats:

David Millar, Tyler Hamilton, Oscar Camenzind, Alex Zulle, Laurent Brochard (in 2005 TDF), Christophe Moreau (2nd GC in 2005 TDF), Didier Rous (65th GC in 2005 TDF), Johnan Museeuw, Eddie Plankaert, Eddie Merckx, Jacques Anquetil, Fausto Coppi, Francesco Moser et al.... to name a very few doped names.

The presumption that all the TDF athlete are using illegal trauma and anemia drugs and methids is hardly unreasonable.

In fact it is painfully obvious.

Next you will have us believe that NFL football plyers do not use steroids.

The jury is in on pro cycling. Tous Dope!

Only commercial advertising and false themes can fuel the fairytale. I understand.

rejobako said:

His credentials are good. The article says he's good at detecting drugs he knows about, not so good at staying ahead of new ones. In essence, he says some athletes may be doping and he woudn't be able to tell. There is a difference of opinion between him and WADA as to whether current testing methods can accurately detect HGH, etc.

He doesn't say he thinks everyone is doping; he simply believes there are those who do, and that testing methods need to be improved. I agree with him.

What I do not agree with is your suggestion that there needs to be a presumption of guilt imposed upon the athletes. You are basically saying that because a respected sports physician opines that drug testing is not foolproof, we must presume that all athletes (especially the successful ones you happen to dislike 😉 ) must necessarily be on the juice.

Sorry, but the article simply confirms that there is a dispute as to the efficacy and reliability of sports drug testing. Forgive me if I cannot stifle a yawn.

Just don't peel away the layers.

You won't like what you find.

Ask Greg Strock, Erich Kaiter, David Francis and Gerrik Latta from Lance's Junior National team in 1990 & 1991. Where it all began.

Inspiration---or a commercial pretext and false image? You'll need to dig a little as it doesn't play well on Madison Avenue and it won't help sell cancer drugs either.

David_Zen said:

As someone new to cycling, I have gained much inspiration from and respect for the man who has won the Tour de France 6 times for the past 6 years. I can only imagine the many more people whom he has inspired with his life's victories. As a newby to cycling I would be really disapointed to find out that his story was half true. I would be even more disapointed to learn that there is compelling evidence that he has been doping and deceiving his fans all this time. I don't want to believe but at the same time I don't want to be naive.

So, could someone please show me the proof? And if there is none, please allow me to continue to admire and respect the man for whom I believe him to be.

Thanks,
Daviie

Pharmacy on Wheels---Playing Dirty:

It's time to reread about our angels with dirty faces.

outside.away.com9907tour.htmlOpen ↗

and read EPO abuser David Millar's pre Tour 2004 lie:

news.bbc.co.uk3418361.stmOpen ↗

and Greg Lemond's comments are relevant too:

procycling.comnews.aspxOpen ↗

Presumption of innocence?? Get real. It is what it is.

Tous Dope!

Inspiration enough to clean up this mess?

House said:

Wow, the coward once again didn't respond to what I said, merely reposted a link, tried to rip on me about wanting to try track riding and said nothing. Step up to the challenge or would you rather keep proving what a coward you are? I think we all know the answer to that one!