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  1. "Jim Ley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, common sense suggests that a route with a name like 'National
    Cycle Network' would be available for use at all times: motorways and
    trunk roads don't have closing times.

    If motorways or trunk roads are are closed, for whatever reason, there
    are BIG warning signs posted on all approaches for many miles.

    Cyclists however, are just expected to evaporate if their route
    unexpectedly fails...

    Nope just push their bike up 20 yards of slope to get back to the
    road... A sign would be a good idea, but it's lack of it is hardly a
    disaster.

    Wrong! It is a complete disaster if there is no sign and cyclists think
    that they have to go back.

    Without wishing to insult the Sustrans or local authority planners, a
    single-brain-celled ameoba could have foreseen this and sorted it out!

  2. Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    So have Sustrans fired their spokesman who went on national radio
    recently and announced that their objective was to get school children
    off the roads and onto cycling facilities as quickly as possible?

    Paul Osborne disputed that he announced that. I did not hear the
    interview and I have no transcript, so it is difficult for me to
    take it further.

    I was told 'Sustrans certainly does not want to give the impression that
    on-road cycling is dangerous'

    Regards,
    --
    MJR/slef

  3. Helen Deborah Vecht <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    If motorways or trunk roads are are closed, for whatever reason, there
    are BIG warning signs posted on all approaches for many miles.

    Cyclists however, are just expected to evaporate if their route
    unexpectedly fails...

    We're expected to vanish for years when local councils haven't finished
    building a route! I remember a brother meeting a steamroller and
    sinking into wet tarmac about 12 years ago on one route.

    In *theory* cycle routes should be signed as any other national route,
    with roadworks and/or diversion signs. In *practice* council cycle
    signing budgets are amazingly small: GBP 10k pa for Norfolk (while
    the recent marketing campaign got 17k IIRC).

    --
    MJR/slef

  4. MJ Ray wrote on 14/08/2006 11:28 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    So have Sustrans fired their spokesman who went on national radio
    recently and announced that their objective was to get school children
    off the roads and onto cycling facilities as quickly as possible?

    Paul Osborne disputed that he announced that. I did not hear the
    interview and I have no transcript, so it is difficult for me to
    take it further.

    I was told 'Sustrans certainly does not want to give the impression that
    on-road cycling is dangerous'

    I did hear it, he did say it and I posted here to that effect a few
    minutes after he had said it.

    --
    Tony

    "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
    his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
    - Leonardo da Vinci

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