Pleasant family ride on the tandems today from Chichester to Bournemouth (for lunch at the fabulous West Beach Cafe http://www.west-beach.co.uk/) following the NCN2 signs. Drop onto the beach front promenade following the NCN2 signs for Bournemouth and Poole only to find partway along the promenade turns into no-cycling for July and August and the nearest road is at the top of a cliff.
Retraced our route and took the road rather than risk it which was just as well as apparently there were Council workers and police booking transgressors today.
Tony Raven said the following on 10/08/2006 01:15:
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Lunch was superb but who other than Sustrans would build and sign a cycle route that is closed for the two busiest months of the year?
I'm sure Sustrans do more harm for cycling than good. Wasn't it a Sustrans spokesman who said a while ago that they want all cyclists off the roads and onto cycle paths? So you went on a cycle path, and find it's closed.
[...] Wasn't it a Sustrans spokesman who said a while ago that they want all cyclists off the roads and onto cycle paths? [...]
Probably not. If they did, try to stop them being a spokesman.
So have Sustrans fired their spokesman who went on national radio recently and announced that their objective was to get school children off the roads and onto cycling facilities as quickly as possible?
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Lunch was superb but who other than Sustrans would build and sign a cycle route that is closed for the two busiest months of the year?
In Scotland No Cycling signs were superceded by the Land Reform Act which with a few exceptions makes walking and cycling legal anywhere and has legalised cycling in a few places where bylaws formerly prevented it - like some waterwork paths. One area where we are a bit luckier up here. But the point about Sustran being generally useless is of course correct. Iain
Lunch was superb but who other than Sustrans would build and sign a cycle route that is closed for the two busiest months of the year?
There's a voluntary agreement not to use Snowdon bridleways in the busiest times of the years precisely because it is so busy. Did Sustrans have any explanation of why it was closed?
Lunch was superb but who other than Sustrans would build and sign a cycle route that is closed for the two busiest months of the year?
There's a voluntary agreement not to use Snowdon bridleways in the busiest times of the years precisely because it is so busy. Did Sustrans have any explanation of why it was closed?
I believe it's a local bye-law to protect the huge number of (aged) promenaders.
Lunch was superb but who other than Sustrans would build and sign a cycle route that is closed for the two busiest months of the year?
There's a voluntary agreement not to use Snowdon bridleways in the busiest times of the years precisely because it is so busy. Did Sustrans have any explanation of why it was closed?
The only Sustrans info was on their website. You might think that they would put something like (closed in July & August) on their signposts rather than leaving you to find out from Council signs someway along the way where the only option is to retrace your route for some way and go find another way or get off and walk an unknown distance (the prom is prob 5 miles long).
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Al C-F wrote on 10/08/2006 13:01 +0100:
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I believe it's a local bye-law to protect the huge number of (aged) promenaders.
They (the Seafront Information Office) told me it was to protect children running from the beach huts to the beach.
And the real answer is it's because the people in charge don't understand/like bikes, coz they're all ridden by nasty youth who'd run you over in between slashing cinema seats and listening to devilish rock and roll music.
Because the esplanade is packed with pedestrians, would you rather cycles were banned for the full year, or just til 6pm for 2 months in the summer whilst the beach is under heavy use as the kids are on holiday from school.
Because the esplanade is packed with pedestrians, would you rather cycles were banned for the full year, or just til 6pm for 2 months in the summer whilst the beach is under heavy use as the kids are on holiday from school.
Well, from our vantage point of the cliff top on a nice sunny August school holiday day, crowded it was not except around the pier. Fine if they want to ban bikes but then either don't make it a national cycle route or make it clear at decision points on the signing that the route will come to a dead end at certain times.
-- Tony
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Because the esplanade is packed with pedestrians, would you rather cycles were banned for the full year, or just til 6pm for 2 months in the summer whilst the beach is under heavy use as the kids are on holiday from school.
I've no problem with them banning cyclists during the daytime in high summer - the problem is that there is (apparently) no advance warning that this will be the case. So a cyclist will be happily following NCN signs and then finds that they have to turn round and go back because the route is closed - there should be a sign further back saying "Route ahead closed to cyclists July and August 8am-6pm" or whatever is relevant.
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Because the esplanade is packed with pedestrians, would you rather cycles were banned for the full year, or just til 6pm for 2 months in the summer whilst the beach is under heavy use as the kids are on holiday from school.
I'd definitely much rather that a main, signed, 'national' cycle route (NCN2 - presumably the second most important route in the network) wasn't closed at the time of year when it's likely to be busiest. If the promenade is going to be closed then NCN2 shouldn't go there.
This has absolutely nothing to do with whether you can cycle there at other times of year - you can still cycle many places which are not national cycle routes.
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in message <[email hidden]>, Jim Ley ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:
I'd definitely much rather that a main, signed, 'national' cycle route (NCN2 - presumably the second most important route in the network) wasn't closed at the time of year when it's likely to be busiest. If the promenade is going to be closed then NCN2 shouldn't go there.
Yes, common sense suggests that a route with a name like 'National Cycle Network' would be available for use at all times: motorways and trunk roads don't have closing times.
A similar situation exists in W London where signposted and publicised routes pass through Bushy and Osterley Parks, which are closed every night.
Yes, common sense suggests that a route with a name like 'National Cycle Network' would be available for use at all times: motorways and trunk roads don't have closing times.
If motorways or trunk roads are are closed, for whatever reason, there are BIG warning signs posted on all approaches for many miles.
Cyclists however, are just expected to evaporate if their route unexpectedly fails...
Yes, common sense suggests that a route with a name like 'National Cycle Network' would be available for use at all times: motorways and trunk roads don't have closing times.
If motorways or trunk roads are are closed, for whatever reason, there are BIG warning signs posted on all approaches for many miles.
Cyclists however, are just expected to evaporate if their route unexpectedly fails...
Nope just push their bike up 20 yards of slope to get back to the road... A sign would be a good idea, but it's lack of it is hardly a disaster.
Because the esplanade is packed with pedestrians, would you rather cycles were banned for the full year, or just til 6pm for 2 months in the summer whilst the beach is under heavy use as the kids are on holiday from school.
If it ain't open, how can it be a cycle route? Let alone a NCN route!! ROFL.
