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  1. "p.k." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    I'm sorry but the Icelandic comparison is a ridiculous one to make:

    Total population:
    Iceland: 299,388 (July 2006 est.)

    UK: 60,609,153 (July 2006 est.)

    No its not. Lower level councils in France have about 100 electors per
    councillor. France has a similar population to the UK.

    France used to be one of the most centralised countries in Europe. Now
    Britain is. Local government in Britain is both not close enough to the
    people and emasculated of all real power by central government.

    T

  2. "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In my parents ward (we didn't have an election in Dundee) the three
    elected members gained about 1300 votes each. Second three were 900 and
    all the rest add up to about 300.
    That would give a franchise of about 2500 per councillor.

    I haven't been bothered to work it out for any other wards.

    My ward is about 5,500 electors represented by two councillors -- so broadly
    in line with your numbers.

    T

  3. David Martin said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    In Iceland, the
    average population of a local government region is about 2,700 people.

    That would give a franchise of about 2500 per councillor.

    I haven't been bothered to work it out for any other wards.

    Why don't we do it this way?
    http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=43&sid=666761

    JimP

    --
    Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to
    grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after
    all. - DNA

  4. in message <[email hidden]>, Sue White

    (') said:

    Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

    Quoted message said:


    However, the real problem is that our local government areas are vastly
    too large. I'm not certain that they're the largest (by population) in
    the world, but they're certainly the largest (by population) in Europe.

    In some areas they make sense though. Splitting Reading up into
    separate sub-municipalities would make it extremely difficult to
    manage, while at present nobody is more than three and a half miles
    from the
    Civic Offices. There are probably about 150,000 of us which is a lot,
    but at least it's compact.

    OK. Langholm, in Dumfries and Galloway, is closer to Preston, in
    Lancashire, and to Perth, in Perthshire than it is to Drummore, in
    Dumfries and Galloway. Drummore, in Dumfries and Galloway, is closer to
    Drogheda, in the Republic of Ireland for heaven's sake, than it is to
    Langholm in Dumfries and Galloway. By road it's worse. Autoroute reckons
    it takes 2 hours 53 minutes to drive from Langholm to Drummore. In the
    same period you could drive from Langholm to Cannock in Staffordshire,
    which isn't exactly the north of England.

    And yet we still expect the councillor from Langholm to make 'local'
    planning decisions related to Drummore, a place to which he's probably
    never been - and vice versa. One size does not fit all. Dumfries and
    Galloway (you can tell it's not a natural region, it doesn't even have a
    name) may only be 137,000 people, but it isn't even remotely compact.

    You cannot - you simply cannot - organise 'local' government on this
    scale.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; ... exposing the violence incoherent in the system...

  5. Jim Price said:
    David Martin said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    In Iceland, the
    average population of a local government region is about 2,700 people.

    That would give a franchise of about 2500 per councillor.

    I haven't been bothered to work it out for any other wards.

    Why don't we do it this way?
    http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=43&sid=666761

    Because in this country you would be arrested before being able to vote
    if you were carrying a sword..

    ...d

  6. Jim Price said:


    Why don't we do it this way?
    http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=43&sid=666761

    Do you know how much peer pressure their is from the Gemeinde?

    --
    Tony

    "The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
    right."
    - Lord Hailsham

  7. Tony Raven said:
    Jim Price said:


    Why don't we do it this way?
    http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=43&sid=666761

    Do you know how much peer pressure their is from the Gemeinde?


    No, they aren't my peers. But it does look like a lot more fun than
    voting here. Which is something I never thought I'd find myself saying
    about the Swiss or voting.

    Jim

    --
    Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to
    grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after
    all. - DNA

  8. David Martin said:
    Jim Price said:

    Why don't we do it this way?
    http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=43&sid=666761

    Because in this country you would be arrested before being able to vote
    if you were carrying a sword..


    Maybe not if everyone was..

    JimP

    --
    Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to
    grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after
    all. - DNA

  9. davek said:

    Spotted this one when I took a different route to the station from
    normal yesterday morning.

    That's...horrible.

    Some may remember that I posted about a similar emnation from my council's
    Highways and Planning department. I've finally got it together enough to
    send them a letter which will be posted tomorrow.

    http://hemswell.lincoln.ac.uk/~dnutter/project/blosxom.cgi/cycling/CodeReviewEtc.html

    Also, the DSA's mailbox seems to be full which means I will have to use
    their clunky online form to get my comments in by the deadline. E-Government
    at its best. Bah!

    ObActualCycling: I partially dissolved today out in the rain. Still, the bike got
    a good wash and there was no wind, so not all bad even though by doing it I
    missed the Lincoln grand prix. Ah well.

    Regards,

    -david

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