Ah Larry!

[email hidden] (Jason O'Rourke) pondered, puzzeled,
prognosticated (perhaps even premeditated), and then, in a very wise
voice, sed: :

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What was obvious was the reason why Iraq was attacked.

Personal gain for Dubya?

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On the question of - is Iraq better off now than they were before - the answer is yes. Do I care if
the stated reason was false? Not really.

The better question is: Is the *world* better off now than it was before. The answer, of
course is no.

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Iraq was not "our enemy". All they "did" was have the gall to not share our religion, skin color,
dress code, etc. They were disarmed. They were not a threat to their closest neighbors much less
the US. Granted, Saddam was trying to pretend he was still important by allowing/disallowing UN
inspectors in his country, but that is hardly a cause to go to war over.

Not a believer in contracts, are we?

Kind of irrelevant isn't it? Do you think all broken contracts should end up in war?

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If you believe that the POTUS should have the power to send our young men and women to die over a
personal grudge, then we really have nothing more to talk about.

You should separate the "why" and the "should" elements in your thinking. It's possible to discuss
one or both, but you seem stuck on just the one.

You're losing me here.

--
chris

"And so, happy X-mas, for black and for white
For the yellow and red ones, let's stop all the fights.
A merry, merry X-mas, and a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one, without any fear."
(war is over if you want it) --John Lennon

Jason O'Rourke <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message :
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Everyone loves their own subsidies. Take Airbus for example.

Boeing is subsidized by huge dubious US-company-only DoD (Defence) contracts. Not Airbus.

-- Olivier

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How would the Brits and the French resolve their cultural differences? One believes in fine food,
the other merely in Guiness.

And people in Marseilles loves football (true football, that is), and people in Toulouse loves
rugby. And my neighbour loves sailing and I love swimming...

-- Olivier

Jason O'Rourke <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message :
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BTW, Russia hasn't signed off on Kyoto either.

Yes. And you know what my russian friend says: "Hey, USA hasn't signed off on Kyoto either."

Just too bad that global warming is killing many many many more people than Al QaIda ever did.

who.intenOpen ↗

But be happy, we will not invade USA and Russia, those rogue states, to stop them killing hundred of
thousand of people...

-- Olivier

diablo said:

"Jason O'Rourke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How is it that

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the Empire on which the sun never set has contributed so little to restaurant fare?

the only thing i miss about the UK is the food. American food (or rather their offerings of other
cultures food) is killing me slowly. can't get black pudding, sausages here are terrible, have to
drive 200 miles to get Heinz beans, all the bacon is streaky, no fish and chips, bread is crappy,
no lurpak butter (its all this sweet [censored]), chocolate is like cheap easter chocolate, can't find
steak and kidney pies unless i make them myself, can't find a good curry house, can't find brown
sauce, malt vinegar is impossible to come by (again, a 200 mile drive), flavours of crisps are
pretty barren.

However, i can get newcastle brown ale pretty easily. its a hard life.

I hardly think anything you mention can qualify as the restaurant fare that Jason speaks of.
Besides, you left out all that's really good in England, even if it never has made its way out of
the country. A few examples: Fidget Pie, Toad in the Hole, various Roly Polies, Spitchcocked Conger
Eel, Stargazy Pie, Solomon Gundy, Bloaters & Kippers & Haddy among other delicacies, and my favorite
Bubble and Squeak. In fact, I've had all of the above while bicycling from the south all the way up
to the Orkneys. While living in London and Cambridge, such wondrous fare was less likely to make it
onto the menus of restaurants, even bona fide English ones.

Ruth Kazez

"rtk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I hardly think anything you mention can qualify as the restaurant fare that Jason speaks of.
Besides, you left out all that's really good in England, even if it never has made its way out of
the country. A few examples: Fidget Pie, Toad in the Hole, various Roly Polies, Spitchcocked
Conger Eel, Stargazy Pie, Solomon Gundy, Bloaters & Kippers & Haddy among other delicacies, and my
favorite Bubble and Squeak. In fact, I've had all of the above while bicycling from the south all
the way up to the Orkneys. While living in London and Cambridge, such wondrous fare was less
likely to make it onto the menus of restaurants, even bona fide English ones.

Ruth Kazez

that was kinda my point Ruth 🙂 ...anyway, you did remind me i missed kippers from my list. kippers
for breakfast. i miss my house stinking of fish the rest of the morning 🙂

as to seriously address Jason's remarks, American home cooking (BBQ excused) isn't much different
from British....same baked goods, (no savoury bakes over here though), same roast dinners etc.

somethings on there you say you miss can be made easily though. admittedly, without decent
sausage, toad in the hole is not so good, but yorkshire puddings are easily made. bubble and
squeak, i still make.

still miss fish and chips for a quid, or a fried breakfast in a greasy spoon.

Diablo, I hate to do this, but I can't resist. Today's New York Times, op-ed page, features an
article by Roy Strong entitled The Worst Meal of the Year, subtitled A Short History of Britain's
Indigestible Christmas dishes. There is an especially long description of plum-porridge, made famous
by Pepys, a concoction of barley, currants and raisins and mace, boiled up and then undergoing
several unappetizing stages. I am so glad to see that the United States is not the only country
whose Christmas fare borders on the vulgar, made obscene by its quantities, leaving even the most
enthusiastic overindulgers with a lingering sense of guilt relieved only by a firm New Year's
resolution, washed down with another sort of oinkness.

Ruth Kazez

Plum porridge? sticks to the ribs. on a side note, my mother tried to send
me some christmas cake from the Uk this month. they told her it couldn't be
shipped, because its consistency is too much like plastic explosive to make
it through...the guy said it'd be the star in a controlled explosion. i miss
Christmas Cake, even if it is the same consistency as semtex. However, i
have found someone who makes sausages like british sausage in NC. pondering
exactly how much i'm craving it before hselling out the extortionate
shipping charges for 5 pounds of sausage 😄

"rtk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Diablo, I hate to do this, but I can't resist. Today's New York Times, op-ed page, features an
article by Roy Strong entitled The Worst Meal of the Year, subtitled A Short History of Britain's
Indigestible Christmas dishes. There is an especially long description of plum-porridge, made
famous by Pepys, a concoction of barley, currants and raisins and mace, boiled up and then
undergoing several unappetizing stages. I am so glad to see that the United States is not the only
country whose Christmas fare borders on the vulgar, made obscene by its quantities, leaving even
the most enthusiastic overindulgers with a lingering sense of guilt relieved only by a firm New
Year's resolution, washed down with another sort of oinkness.

Ruth Kazez

Something else you can't get in America is an electric tea kettle. I wanted to buy one for my sister
for Christmas, but I can't find one. In Europe, every home as at least one electric tea kettle.

martin

diablo said:

Plum porridge? sticks to the ribs. on a side note, my mother tried to send me some christmas cake
from the Uk this month. they told her it couldn't be shipped, because its consistency is too much
like plastic explosive to make it through...the guy said it'd be the star in a controlled
explosion. i miss Christmas Cake, even if it is the same consistency as semtex. However, i have
found someone who makes sausages like british sausage in NC. pondering exactly how much i'm
craving it before hselling out the extortionate shipping charges for 5 pounds of sausage 😄

"rtk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Diablo, I hate to do this, but I can't resist. Today's New York Times, op-ed page, features an
article by Roy Strong entitled The Worst Meal of the Year, subtitled A Short History of
Britain's Indigestible Christmas dishes. There is an especially long description of plum-
porridge, made famous by Pepys, a concoction of barley, currants and raisins and mace, boiled up
and then undergoing several unappetizing stages. I am so glad to see that the United States is
not the only country whose Christmas fare borders on the vulgar, made obscene by its quantities,
leaving even the most enthusiastic overindulgers with a lingering sense of guilt relieved only
by a firm New Year's resolution, washed down with another sort of oinkness.

Ruth Kazez

Jason O'Rourke said:

Nancy Taft said:

Something else you can't get in America is an electric tea kettle. I wanted to buy one for my
sister for Christmas, but I can't find one. In Europe, every home as at least one electric tea
kettle.

Do you need it to boil water, or merely to generate very hot water for tea and the like? Asian
markets sell hot water dispensers in sizes from 3-5l that boil the water and then keep it at a
given temp - perhaps 180F. About $100.

I use it for instant coffee. My sister makes her coffee using ground coffee, but she makes it the
same way you make instant coffee, she pours boiling water over a few spoonfuls of ground coffee in
the bottom of her mug. I don't know why. She has done it that way for years. $100 for a kettle to
boil water is way over the top.

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The prevalence of the coffee maker probably killed demand for an electric kettle.

We use those in europe too, but everybody still has an electric kettle, for when you want a cuppa
right now, or some noodles.

Of course, we only use the espresso maker in the SCY season. The standard coffee maker we use in the
LCM season, and the electric kettle we use in the HUB and WJC seasons, both of which are officially
sanctioned by some huffy, butt clincher organization that has a nice web page.

martin

key:

HUB - Heads Up Breaststroke season WJC - Watch & Jewelry Collision season

"Nancy Taft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jason O'Rourke said:

Nancy Taft said:

Something else you can't get in America is an electric tea kettle. I

wanted to

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buy one for my sister for Christmas, but I can't find one. In Europe,

every

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home as at least one electric tea kettle.

Blah blah, everything in europe is great, USA sucks...nancy and her usual garbage (pronounced
gar-bahge).

It's called a Sunbeam Hot Shot, available at any walmart or other such store for under $20, holds
about 16 oz or so (sorry, no metric measurements.

A two second google search and ...voila! (dat dere is some frenchy lingo!):

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I'm on my third one in the last 20 years (actually second, the ex has one).

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Do you need it to boil water, or merely to generate very hot water for

tea

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and the like? Asian markets sell hot water dispensers in sizes from

3-5l

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that boil the water and then keep it at a given temp - perhaps 180F.

About

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$100.

I use it for instant coffee. My sister makes her coffee using ground

coffee, but

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she makes it the same way you make instant coffee, she pours boiling water

over a

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few spoonfuls of ground coffee in the bottom of her mug. I don't know why.

She has

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done it that way for years. $100 for a kettle to boil water is way over

the top.

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The prevalence of the coffee maker probably killed demand for an electric kettle.

We use those in europe too, but everybody still has an electric kettle,

for when

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you want a cuppa right now, or some noodles.

Of course, we only use the espresso maker in the SCY season. The standard

coffee

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maker we use in the LCM season, and the electric kettle we use in the HUB

and WJC

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seasons, both of which are officially sanctioned by some huffy, butt

clincher

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organization that has a nice web page.

martin

key:

HUB - Heads Up Breaststroke season WJC - Watch & Jewelry Collision season

Count Scrofula said:

"Nancy Taft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Jason O'Rourke said:

Nancy Taft <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Something else you can't get in America is an electric tea kettle. I

wanted to

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>buy one for my sister for Christmas, but I can't find one. In Europe,

every

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>home as at least one electric tea kettle.

Blah blah, everything in europe is great, USA sucks...nancy and her usual garbage (pronounced
gar-bahge).

Reread the text you responded to, mr anonymous. It doesn't say what you thought it said.
Nothing like it.

I did find an electric kettle, by the way, at the Metropolitan Market on Proctor Street in Tacoma.
Top of the line. Made in China. I don't think they make them in the US.

martin

Count Scrofula said:

t's called a Sunbeam Hot Shot, available at any walmart or other such

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store for under $20, holds about 16 oz or so (sorry, no metric measurements.

A two second google search and ...voila! (dat dere is some frenchy lingo!):

amazon.com103 5203007 1080609Open ↗

I'm on my third one in the last 20 years (actually second, the ex has one).

Thanks, but that's not what I want. It would do the job, of course, but it isn't a tea kettle. I
found a good one though.

martin