Advice - Spot Frames

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What's wrong with the Cannondale?

You have to ask?

JD

Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?

(Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)

they break.

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Scott Gordo wrote:
> What's wrong with the Cannondale?

You have to ask?

JD

Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?

(Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)

they break.

Well, they may break but I have not had that experience yet. I paid
$325 for a 1FG with a spot hub on back, wtb on front laced to Rhynolites
(I think), Sh!tmano SS cranks, Avid mechs, EA70 post and bars, and a
rigid fork. I stuck a marz eta something or another on instead of the
rigid (I had it laying around anyway). I have to say it was one of the
best bargains I ever found. Oh, and it was delivered right to my hotel
room in San Diego by the person I bought it from (no shipping). For
that price, if it breaks then the parts are worth more than the frame
anyway. It's held up pretty good although I haven't really ridden
anything that technical on it. But, it has acquired a lot of mileage
since the purchase and is still running smooth.

Would it last another 10 years? Probably. But nothing beats that new
bike smell, and frankly I think it's time. The SS is really the only
bike I ride in my area now. So I might as well get something a little
more trail worthy and not as massed produced. Is there a bling factor?
Of course there is. Screw it. Why shouldn't it look good? But when
all is said and done, I intend to ride the [censored] (no relation to
crapandfail) out of it. My bikes are not garage ornaments. They don't
just hang for people to see my collection. They are there to be ridden.
In fact, they spend their non-riding time in the basement so no one
has to look at them when the garage door is open.

Now if it would just stop friggin raining (7 days straight), I can put
some more mileage down. The trails are pretty saturated here, so it
will be the road on Sunday.

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www.schnauzers.ws

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> Hmmm, I've done Kamikaze on a full rigid with cantilevers. How much

brake

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> do you need on an access road?

The first few flights I took on Icarus were on a hardtail with
cantilever brakes and I'd wager it's steeper, narrower and more
elevation loss than the infamous Kamikaze in Mammoth. However, it is
easier to ride descents with a disc up front, but nobody *needs* a disc
rear brake, even at 225 lbs.

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Depends on how much you weight...I am about 225 without gear. The
Hayes

6

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inch rear rotor suffered major fading on the way down. The 8 inch on
the
front was fine.

Sounds like an issue with the brake pad compound. I've turned 6"
rotors blue hot and have not had fading issues with mechanical Avids
and metallic compound pads.

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At the time I was 205 on the bike. Since then I've gained weight, done
many
descents 4 to 5 times as long as Kamikaze, added a front fork, but still
managed with V-brakes.

I ride my SS just about anywhere, have taken it on Icarus as well and
have found that long descents still don't require disc brakes.

JD

KUDOS to you

Per Phil, Squid-in-Training:

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Depends on how much you weight...I am about 225 without gear. The
Hayes 6 inch rear rotor suffered major fading on the way down. The 8
inch on the front was fine.

Similar experience at about 220#. Got an 8-incher in the front and six in the
rear.

On almost any long hill, if I try it riding the rear brake only all the way down
it will quickly fade. OTOH, if I ride the front all the way and don't touch
the rear there's no noticeable fade.

Funny thing though, until the fade kicks in, I definitely get more stopping
power per unit of finger force from the rear (Avid mech) than the front (Hope
C2).
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Per bomba:

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Here's one: use a v-brake in the back! Who actually needs discs in the
rear?

Ever ride in a UK winter?

You reminded me of the other reason I went back to a disc in the rear: the
absolutely heinous sound it makes when muddy.
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PeteCresswell

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> Dean A. Stepper wrote:
>> "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> Dean A. Stepper wrote:
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>>>>> As I mentioned previously, I am looking at a new singlespeed. At
>>>>> first I was going to go full custom, but after looking at
>>>>> the price tags that will not be possible. So now I am looking
>>>>> at the stock frames from some of the smaller builders. I
>>>>> would like to keep the frame under $1100. It is a SS hardtail
>>>>> for god's sake. My only other requirement is vertical
>>>>> dropouts (I have my reasons regardless of it not being true SS
>>>>> devotion). The Spot has the requirements I want. Anyone ride
>>>>> one? Any other suggestions? --
>>>>> o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
>>>>> www.schnauzers.ws
>>>> Sorry I can not comment on the Spot.
>>>>
>>>> I have been on Surly 1x1, Bianchi and Redline bikes before I
>>>> bought my Kona Unit last year.
>>>>
>>>> I have a 24lbs Kona Unit ($425 for the frame) and although it
>>>> is a great frame it does not compare with my 22lbs One-9 Niner
>>>> ($750 for the frame) . Again I suggest that you not buy a 26
>>>> inch wheeled SS bike until to ride a 29er. If you were in
>>>> So-cal I would let you demo my Niner.
>>>>
>>>> I have not been on my Unit for a while and have it for sale on
>>>> MTBR.
>>> Dean, how tall are you. I am short. 5'5" on a good day. I
>>> tried out my friend's GF rig which was the smallest size they
>>> had available. Adding three inches to the tire increases the
>>> height of that bike. The can't drop the seat tube or you'd be
>>> riding in between the wheels. While they can fix the standover,
>>> it doesn't distract from the fact that when I am sitting on the
>>> seat, it's like being on a skyscrapper or better yet a road
>>> bike. I don't crash on the road as often as I do on the dirt.
>>> Falling from that height is too dangerous for the trails. I will call
>>> Niner bikes and talk to them. Hopefully they will be
>>> honest.
>>>
>>> --
>>> o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
>>> www.schnauzers.ws
>> I am 5'10", Medium 5-spot and Niner frames and a 18 inch Kona
>> Frame. Riding between the wheels is a very comforting feeling. I
>> feel much safer on my 29 inch bike that my other bikes. I just
>> seems that it would be much harder to endo. I roll drops and go
>> down steep stuff on the seat on the Niner when I have to get my
>> weight behind the seat on my other bikes.
> I had a long phone conversation with the owner of Niner Bikes
> today. Wow, I actually got to talk to the owner. That's something
> to be said about small builders. Anyway, the guy was really nice
> on the phone and couldn't stop talking about how he loves to ride.
> I found out he is 5'6" and actually built the small frame around
> his build. He was going on and on about how nice a ride it was
> and that it really took the SS experience to a whole new level. Well,
> that last part I could pretty much ignore as I think SS in
> itself regardless of the bike is a different level.
>
> I quizzed him on the manufacturing process, the geometry,
> standover, handling, yada, yada, yada. He really took the time to
> go over everything and I really appreciate it. I have added their
> bike to my short list.
>
> --
> o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
> www.schnauzers.ws

Are you looking at their steel or scandium frame?

SCAMdium. I didn't see a steel option. It's also a little too damp
in these parts most of the year for steel. I know it would rust on
me in spite of my best efforts to prevent it.

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

Yes steel frame coming soon.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=134040

Whoa, hey gsmchemist - check out the picture here:

http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=106867&stc=1

We're making strides!

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Phil, Squid-in-Training

Ride-A-Lot said:

little earthquakes said:

"Scott Gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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JD wrote:

> Scott Gordo wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with the Cannondale?
>
>
> You have to ask?
>
> JD

Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?

(Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)

they break.

Well, they may break but I have not had that experience yet. I paid
$325 for a 1FG with a spot hub on back, wtb on front laced to Rhynolites
(I think), Sh!tmano SS cranks, Avid mechs, EA70 post and bars, and a
rigid fork. I stuck a marz eta something or another on instead of the
rigid (I had it laying around anyway). I have to say it was one of the
best bargains I ever found. Oh, and it was delivered right to my hotel
room in San Diego by the person I bought it from (no shipping). For
that price, if it breaks then the parts are worth more than the frame
anyway. It's held up pretty good although I haven't really ridden
anything that technical on it. But, it has acquired a lot of mileage
since the purchase and is still running smooth.

Would it last another 10 years? Probably. But nothing beats that new
bike smell, and frankly I think it's time. The SS is really the only
bike I ride in my area now. So I might as well get something a little
more trail worthy and not as massed produced. Is there a bling factor?
Of course there is. Screw it. Why shouldn't it look good? But when
all is said and done, I intend to ride the [censored] (no relation to
crapandfail) out of it. My bikes are not garage ornaments. They don't
just hang for people to see my collection. They are there to be ridden.
In fact, they spend their non-riding time in the basement so no one has
to look at them when the garage door is open.

Now if it would just stop friggin raining (7 days straight), I can put
some more mileage down. The trails are pretty saturated here, so it
will be the road on Sunday.

I have an old early 90's Cannondale (the 3.0 Lbs SM800) that is now the
around town trailer hauler. Lots of offroad miles and it's not broken
yet, but my brother had a Red Shred from a couple of years before that
did eventually break.
So what's it prove? Well, pretty much nothing, but I guess some break
and some don't. You could probably say that about a lot of bikes.

Matt

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>>Hmmm, I've done Kamikaze on a full rigid with cantilevers. How much

brake

>>do you need on an access road?

The first few flights I took on Icarus were on a hardtail with
cantilever brakes and I'd wager it's steeper, narrower and more
elevation loss than the infamous Kamikaze in Mammoth. However, it is
easier to ride descents with a disc up front, but nobody *needs* a disc
rear brake, even at 225 lbs.

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>Depends on how much you weight...I am about 225 without gear. The Hayes

6

>inch rear rotor suffered major fading on the way down. The 8 inch on the
>front was fine.

Sounds like an issue with the brake pad compound. I've turned 6"
rotors blue hot and have not had fading issues with mechanical Avids
and metallic compound pads.

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At the time I was 205 on the bike. Since then I've gained weight, done many
descents 4 to 5 times as long as Kamikaze, added a front fork, but still
managed with V-brakes.

I ride my SS just about anywhere, have taken it on Icarus as well and
have found that long descents still don't require disc brakes.

JD

Yep. I'm no heavyweight, but I've done the Crest on a rigid with cantis,
and Canyon creek with V's on a hardtail (with you IIRC).

Troot, mon. I was on a rigid Team Marin that day. What a beater
weekend that was for me, but filled with glorious riding and fantastic
food as well.

JD

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> JD wrote:
>
>> Scott Gordo wrote:
>>
>>> What's wrong with the Cannondale?
>>
>>
>> You have to ask?
>>
>> JD
>
> Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?
>
> (Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)
>
they break.

Well, they may break but I have not had that experience yet. I paid
$325 for a 1FG with a spot hub on back, wtb on front laced to Rhynolites
(I think), Sh!tmano SS cranks, Avid mechs, EA70 post and bars, and a
rigid fork. I stuck a marz eta something or another on instead of the
rigid (I had it laying around anyway). I have to say it was one of the
best bargains I ever found. Oh, and it was delivered right to my hotel
room in San Diego by the person I bought it from (no shipping). For
that price, if it breaks then the parts are worth more than the frame
anyway. It's held up pretty good although I haven't really ridden
anything that technical on it. But, it has acquired a lot of mileage
since the purchase and is still running smooth.

Would it last another 10 years? Probably. But nothing beats that new
bike smell, and frankly I think it's time. The SS is really the only
bike I ride in my area now. So I might as well get something a little
more trail worthy and not as massed produced. Is there a bling factor?
Of course there is. Screw it. Why shouldn't it look good? But when
all is said and done, I intend to ride the [censored] (no relation to
crapandfail) out of it. My bikes are not garage ornaments. They don't
just hang for people to see my collection. They are there to be ridden.

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In fact, they spend their non-riding time in the basement so no one has
to look at them when the garage door is open.

Now if it would just stop friggin raining (7 days straight), I can put
some more mileage down. The trails are pretty saturated here, so it
will be the road on Sunday.

I have an old early 90's Cannondale (the 3.0 Lbs SM800) that is now the
around town trailer hauler. Lots of offroad miles and it's not broken
yet, but my brother had a Red Shred from a couple of years before that
did eventually break.
So what's it prove? Well, pretty much nothing, but I guess some break
and some don't. You could probably say that about a lot of bikes.

trek, way back made frames that did not break. i know someone with a really
old cannondale rigid, and that thing is solid. it has some really strange
looking dropouts.

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>
>>JD wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Scott Gordo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What's wrong with the Cannondale?
>>>
>>>
>>>You have to ask?
>>>
>>>JD
>>
>>Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?
>>
>>(Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)
>>
>
>they break.
>

Well, they may break but I have not had that experience yet. I paid
$325 for a 1FG with a spot hub on back, wtb on front laced to Rhynolites
(I think), Sh!tmano SS cranks, Avid mechs, EA70 post and bars, and a
rigid fork. I stuck a marz eta something or another on instead of the
rigid (I had it laying around anyway). I have to say it was one of the
best bargains I ever found. Oh, and it was delivered right to my hotel
room in San Diego by the person I bought it from (no shipping). For
that price, if it breaks then the parts are worth more than the frame
anyway. It's held up pretty good although I haven't really ridden
anything that technical on it. But, it has acquired a lot of mileage
since the purchase and is still running smooth.

Would it last another 10 years? Probably. But nothing beats that new
bike smell, and frankly I think it's time. The SS is really the only
bike I ride in my area now. So I might as well get something a little
more trail worthy and not as massed produced. Is there a bling factor?
Of course there is. Screw it. Why shouldn't it look good? But when
all is said and done, I intend to ride the [censored] (no relation to
crapandfail) out of it. My bikes are not garage ornaments. They don't
just hang for people to see my collection. They are there to be ridden.

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In fact, they spend their non-riding time in the basement so no one has
to look at them when the garage door is open.

Now if it would just stop friggin raining (7 days straight), I can put
some more mileage down. The trails are pretty saturated here, so it
will be the road on Sunday.

I have an old early 90's Cannondale (the 3.0 Lbs SM800) that is now the
around town trailer hauler. Lots of offroad miles and it's not broken
yet, but my brother had a Red Shred from a couple of years before that
did eventually break.
So what's it prove? Well, pretty much nothing, but I guess some break
and some don't. You could probably say that about a lot of bikes.

trek, way back made frames that did not break. i know someone with a really
old cannondale rigid, and that thing is solid. it has some really strange
looking dropouts.

Sounds like mine. They stick out off the back of the frame.

Matt

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>little earthquakes wrote:
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>>>JD wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Scott Gordo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What's wrong with the Cannondale?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You have to ask?
>>>>
>>>>JD
>>>
>>>Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?
>>>
>>>(Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)
>>>
>>
>>they break.
>>
>
>Well, they may break but I have not had that experience yet. I paid
>$325 for a 1FG with a spot hub on back, wtb on front laced to

Rhynolites

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>(I think), Sh!tmano SS cranks, Avid mechs, EA70 post and bars, and a
>rigid fork. I stuck a marz eta something or another on instead of the
>rigid (I had it laying around anyway). I have to say it was one of the
>best bargains I ever found. Oh, and it was delivered right to my hotel
>room in San Diego by the person I bought it from (no shipping). For
>that price, if it breaks then the parts are worth more than the frame
>anyway. It's held up pretty good although I haven't really ridden
>anything that technical on it. But, it has acquired a lot of mileage
>since the purchase and is still running smooth.
>
>Would it last another 10 years? Probably. But nothing beats that new
>bike smell, and frankly I think it's time. The SS is really the only
>bike I ride in my area now. So I might as well get something a little
>more trail worthy and not as massed produced. Is there a bling factor?
> Of course there is. Screw it. Why shouldn't it look good? But when
>all is said and done, I intend to ride the [censored] (no relation to
>crapandfail) out of it. My bikes are not garage ornaments. They don't
>just hang for people to see my collection. They are there to be

ridden.

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> In fact, they spend their non-riding time in the basement so no one

has

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>to look at them when the garage door is open.
>
>Now if it would just stop friggin raining (7 days straight), I can put
>some more mileage down. The trails are pretty saturated here, so it
>will be the road on Sunday.
>

I have an old early 90's Cannondale (the 3.0 Lbs SM800) that is now the
around town trailer hauler. Lots of offroad miles and it's not broken
yet, but my brother had a Red Shred from a couple of years before that
did eventually break.
So what's it prove? Well, pretty much nothing, but I guess some break
and some don't. You could probably say that about a lot of bikes.

trek, way back made frames that did not break. i know someone with a

really

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old cannondale rigid, and that thing is solid. it has some really

strange

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looking dropouts.

Sounds like mine. They stick out off the back of the frame.

that's the one.

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JD said:

Scott Gordo wrote:
> What's wrong with the Cannondale?

You have to ask?

JD

Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?

(Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)

they break.

all bikes break. period.

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Another fine reason to avoid the EBB hype and just get a bike with
horizontal drops, or fork ends for singlespeeding. Good riders don't
*need* a disc rear brake because a rear brake doesn't need to lock out
for them.

JD

Whaddabout, like, for doing stunts and stuff though?

And skids!

That's what that downy chamois padding is for.

Shaun aRe

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Ride-A-Lot wrote:
> I routinely take out my EBB on the 1FG and regrease it. Yes, they do
> squeak if you do not maintain them, often. They can also seize up.

Another fine reason to avoid the EBB hype and just get a bike with
horizontal drops, or fork ends for singlespeeding. Good riders don't
*need* a disc rear brake because a rear brake doesn't need to lock out
for them.

JD

Whaddabout, like, for doing stunts and stuff though?

Shaun aRe

I don't think you what to get to radical on 29 inch wheels, they are not

as

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strong as 26 inch wheels. We may never see 29 inch downhill bikes.

29'ers seem to be better for Usenet stunts though ',;~}~

Shaun aRe

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Squid-in-Training said:

Here's one: use a v-brake in the back! Who actually needs discs in the
rear?

Ever ride in a UK winter?

Indeed. Seen a rim's braking surface when used with V's, after just one UK
winter? That was god enough reason for me - blown through 2 just that way.

Shaun aRe

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JD wrote:
> Scott Gordo wrote:
> > What's wrong with the Cannondale?
>
>
> You have to ask?
>
> JD

Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?

(Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)

they break.

all bikes break. period.

some, more than others.

i sure would hate to replace my frame every year, like the trek owners do,
just because they 'actually' ride them.

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>JD wrote:
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>>Scott Gordo wrote:
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>>>What's wrong with the Cannondale?
>>
>>
>>You have to ask?
>>
>>JD
>
>Okay, I'll rephrase: what's wrong with Mitch's CDale?
>
>(Can I preempt the reflexive "It's a CDale!" response?)
>

they break.

all bikes break. period.

some, more than others.

i sure would hate to replace my frame every year, like the trek owners do,
just because they 'actually' ride them.

That implies they all break the first year. I don't think it's even
almost true.
I know several Trek owners who really ride and none have broken frames.

Not saying they don't break, but they definitely don't ALL break.

Matt