Advice: Marathon - very poor prep

"frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I signed up for a mid october marathon in june. plenty
of time to do an 18 week beginners program. then
i got hit by an itb injury and lost 4 weeks entirely.
in early august i started to run again and was able to
do only a bit before the pain returned.

it's been 3 weeks now that i've been pain free and i've
built my way back up to 10K runs with no problems.

i'll be doing the marathon because it's already paid
for and i'm planning to do a run/walk strategy.
at this point run 10 minutes, walk 1 looks good.

i'm expecting to take over 5 hours.

anybody got any advice for me? i don't want to
ramp up my milage because i can't fit in another
itb injury/recovery period. so really i'm looking
for advice on how to do the marathon.
thanks...thehick

Any chance this is the Toronto Marathon? I've done it before, it's
pretty tough.

Anyway, I am signed up for this race as well, and my training has
been very spotty. We're talking 40km - 60km weeks with "long"
runs two or three times a month of about 15km - 20km. In other
words, I don't expect much... I just need a qualifier, that's all. I'm
not looking forward to it.

My goal from here on in (now that I know I totally screwed it up)
is simply to try to get a couple 25km 30km runs in over the next
3 weeks and taper down from there. Nothing else, really. I don't
want to try ovedoing anything to make up for lost training, because
that's the road to burnout and injury. You should try the same.
Maintain your current schedule, but see if you can get a couple
decent 2+ hour runs in between now and Oct 1 or so. It will
help you finish stronger. Some long-ish "slow-end" tempos would
be a good plan as well.

I expect to run about 10 minutes slower than if I was in shape.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

*Any injury* means you are doing it too fast and wrong.
Start thinking of spring marathons instead.

(rick++) said:

*Any injury* means you are doing it too fast and wrong.
Start thinking of spring marathons instead.

well, sure, you're right. in fact, i should be thinking
of a marathon NEXT fall. but since this one
is paid for already, i'm just looking for hints
on ways to complete it. i figure, if all the charity
runners can do it, so can i.
....thehick

SwStudio said:

Any chance this is the Toronto Marathon? I've done it before, it's
pretty tough.

Anyway, I am signed up for this race as well, and my training has
been very spotty. We're talking 40km - 60km weeks with "long"
runs two or three times a month of about 15km - 20km. In other
words, I don't expect much... I just need a qualifier, that's all. I'm
not looking forward to it.

My goal from here on in (now that I know I totally screwed it up)

Is this because of your piriformis problem?

Quoted message said:

I expect to run about 10 minutes slower than if I was in shape.

That should still be plenty fast for a BQ, right?

Phil M.

--
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make
them all yourself." ­Martin Vanbee

Quoted message said:

i'm just looking for hints
on ways to complete it.

Walk, a lot.

In the States medical care is so expensive, even with health
insurance co-pays, that the injury costs can be many times the cost of a marathon.

"Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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SwStudio said:

Any chance this is the Toronto Marathon? I've done it before, it's
pretty tough.

Anyway, I am signed up for this race as well, and my training has
been very spotty. We're talking 40km - 60km weeks with "long"
runs two or three times a month of about 15km - 20km. In other
words, I don't expect much... I just need a qualifier, that's all. I'm
not looking forward to it.

My goal from here on in (now that I know I totally screwed it up)

Is this because of your piriformis problem?

No, it's because I've been really busy with other stuff.
I just don't have much time to run right now. 🙁

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I expect to run about 10 minutes slower than if I was in shape.

That should still be plenty fast for a BQ, right?

Yep, by about 15 - 17 minutes or so.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

"rick++" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

In the States medical care is so expensive, even with health
insurance co-pays, that the injury costs can be many times the cost of a

marathon.

Hi Rick - I am not sure who you are replying to as you have
included no quoted context. Is this intended for me?

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

SwStudio said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My goal from here on in (now that I know I totally screwed it up)

Is this because of your piriformis problem?

No, it's because I've been really busy with other stuff.
I just don't have much time to run right now. 🙁

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I expect to run about 10 minutes slower than if I was in shape.

That should still be plenty fast for a BQ, right?

Yep, by about 15 - 17 minutes or so.

Great. So unless you decide to rupture your remaing internal organs, you're
in. Maybe I'll see you there.

Phil M.

SwStudio said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My goal from here on in (now that I know I totally screwed it up)

Is this because of your piriformis problem?

No, it's because I've been really busy with other stuff.
I just don't have much time to run right now. 🙁

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I expect to run about 10 minutes slower than if I was in shape.

That should still be plenty fast for a BQ, right?

Yep, by about 15 - 17 minutes or so.

Great. So unless you decide to rupture your remaing internal organs, you're
in. Maybe I'll see you there.

Phil M.

"Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

SwStudio said:

Quoted message said:

> My goal from here on in (now that I know I totally screwed it up)

Is this because of your piriformis problem?

No, it's because I've been really busy with other stuff.
I just don't have much time to run right now. 🙁

Quoted message said:

> I expect to run about 10 minutes slower than if I was in shape.

That should still be plenty fast for a BQ, right?

Yep, by about 15 - 17 minutes or so.

Great. So unless you decide to rupture your remaing internal organs,
you're
in. Maybe I'll see you there.

lol 🙂

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton ON)
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
www.allfalldown.org

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Great. So unless you decide to rupture your remaing internal organs, you're
in.

If he does that, his BQ will be delayed by a couple of weeks.

--
Brian P. Baresch
Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

Don't ramp up your mileage too quickly as it could aggravate your
injury. Here is an easy to follow, sure fire plan. 26 days before your
marathon run one mile, the next day run 2 miles, the next day run 3
miles, the next day run 4 miles. Keep on doing this and the day before
the marathon run 25 miles. Marathon day will seem like a cake walk.

frank-in-toronto <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I signed up for a mid october marathon in june. plenty
of time to do an 18 week beginners program. then
i got hit by an itb injury and lost 4 weeks entirely.
in early august i started to run again and was able to
do only a bit before the pain returned.

SwStudio said:

"Brian Baresch" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Great. So unless you decide to rupture your remaing internal organs,
you're
in.

If he does that, his BQ will be delayed by a couple of weeks.

hehe. 🙂

now, now. I ran this exact marathon two years ago with a
broken shoulder and dropped out. I know when to quit. ;-)

cheers,

I know that is painful! I broke my shoulder while horseback riding. The
horse tripped over a jump, then landed on top of me. The painful part was
getting back on the horse and riding to get help.

Phil M.

--
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make
them all yourself." ­Martin Vanbee

"Brian Baresch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Great. So unless you decide to rupture your remaing internal organs,
you're
in.

If he does that, his BQ will be delayed by a couple of weeks.

hehe. 🙂

now, now. I ran this exact marathon two years ago with a
broken shoulder and dropped out. I know when to quit. ;-)

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com

Quoted message said:

Don't ramp up your mileage too quickly as it could aggravate your
injury. Here is an easy to follow, sure fire plan. 26 days before your
marathon run one mile, the next day run 2 miles, the next day run 3
miles, the next day run 4 miles. Keep on doing this and the day before
the marathon run 25 miles. Marathon day will seem like a cake walk.

DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS JERKOFF.

Quoted message said:

Don't ramp up your mileage too quickly as it could aggravate your
injury. Here is an easy to follow, sure fire plan. 26 days before your
marathon run one mile, the next day run 2 miles, the next day run 3
miles, the next day run 4 miles. Keep on doing this and the day before
the marathon run 25 miles. Marathon day will seem like a cake walk.

DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS JERKOFF.

(bigsky) said:

Don't ramp up your mileage too quickly as it could aggravate your
injury. Here is an easy to follow, sure fire plan. 26 days before your
marathon run one mile, the next day run 2 miles, the next day run 3
miles, the next day run 4 miles. Keep on doing this and the day before
the marathon run 25 miles. Marathon day will seem like a cake walk.

frank-in-toronto <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I signed up for a mid october marathon in june. plenty
of time to do an 18 week beginners program. then
i got hit by an itb injury and lost 4 weeks entirely.
in early august i started to run again and was able to
do only a bit before the pain returned.

really funny. try harder.
....thehick

SwStudio said:

"frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

I signed up for a mid october marathon in june. plenty
of time to do an 18 week beginners program. then
i got hit by an itb injury and lost 4 weeks entirely.
in early august i started to run again and was able to
do only a bit before the pain returned.

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.... You should try the same.
Maintain your current schedule, but see if you can get a couple
decent 2+ hour runs in between now and Oct 1 or so. It will
help you finish stronger. Some long-ish "slow-end" tempos would
be a good plan as well.

well, i was able to do what you suggested. now it's taper time.
i plan a run/walk 5 1/2 hour marathon. i'll be plenty happy
just to finish without some awful knee problem
showing up.

i got some socks with toes when i visited the states
a couple of weeks ago. bingo. all toe blistering
problems i was having are gone. i've never
seen these in canada but they sure work well.
....thehick