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(wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter) said:

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Cyclists are well-known to be invisible ;-)

Especially when wearing fluorescent/reflective garb.

And they're fair game to all if they're wearing dark clothing and/or have no lights.

James

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"Tim Woodall" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Each year more than 500 people die in the UK from hitting trees, lampposts, signs and other
roadside hazards."

Usually it is phrased in the manner "so and so died when their car struck
a..."

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Who said drivers could pick a safe speed for the conditions?

So the problem appears to be cars doing their own thing, not the drivers. Must be that car steel is
too magnetic 🙂

David Roberts

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I will concede that the insane design of British slip roads is pretty dangerous, but so it is
for motorists as well.

Out of curiosity, what in particular do you find insane about them compared to other slip roads
(ignoring the fact that high-speed junctions are dangerous for slower-moving vehicles and people
in general)?

Sorry to be so long getting back on this.

The insanity is a design including stretches of lane less than a car width wide. A lane should
either be there, or not be there. The British design with triangular tapering gores, instead of
acceleration lanes, encourages entering drivers to charge into the midst of drivers in the next lane
without any leisure to choose a big gap.

The drivers are so intent on doing their unsafe merge that they are completely distracted from
anything else, which is what makes the location so unsafe for cyclists.

Jeremy Parker

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The drivers are so intent on doing their unsafe merge that they are completely distracted from
anything else, which is what makes the location so unsafe for cyclists.

I don't think they need any excuse not to pay attention to cyclists, they do it quite naturally even
on an open road with not a car in sight :-/

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I don't think they need any excuse not to pay attention to cyclists, they do it quite naturally
even on an open road with not a car in sight :-/

The problem, Guy, is twofold.

If the cyclist is wearing dark clothing and there are no lights on the bike then the motorist has
free rein to ram said cyclist.

Convesely, if the bike rider is wearing brightly coloured clothing, the motorist has free rein to
ram said cyclist.

Do I understand the law, as it is currently applied, correctly?

James

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"James Hodson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If the cyclist is wearing dark clothing and there are no lights on the bike then the motorist has
free rein to ram said cyclist.

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Convesely, if the bike rider is wearing brightly coloured clothing, the motorist has free rein to
ram said cyclist.

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Do I understand the law, as it is currently applied, correctly?

Very close. I think it's actually as follows:

If the cyclist is wearing dark clothing, he is asking to be hit and therefore the motorist has free
rein to ram him.

If the cyclist is wearing brightly coloured clothing he is acknowledging the supremacy of the motor
car and therefore accepts that it is his job to get out of the way, any failure to do which gives
the motorist free rein to ram him.

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about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

On 4 Jun 2003 08:55:29 GMT, contributor Arthur Clune had scribed:

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I'm afraid that I view TT'ing on roads like the A14 as tantamount to suicide anyway. It's pure
luck as to wether you get killed or not.

You are not doubt aware of the late Peter Longbottom, who was in a collision on the A64 at the
Grimston Bar interchange, to bring matters closer to home.

IIRC (but correct me with any details by those who recall more accurately), he was on a training
ride on the way home in Malton from his parents in York, he was crossing the slip lane joining from
a roundabout when one car floored and he was subsequently hit by a following car. It was dark and PL
was not wearing his normal fluorescent top.

Gary

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