A sign you would never see on the door of a Bike Shop



Ekul Namsob wrote:
> Martin Dann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Neil Williams wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:26:09 -0500, naked_draughtsman
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A more tactful sign would help though!
>>> The word "please" on the start would have gone a long way on its own.
>> I cannot remember the exact words, please may have been there, but I
>> don't think so.
>>
>> I just find the idea of a bike shop not allowing bike to be brought into
>> the shop very strange.
>
> I've never felt the need to drive my car into a car showroom and I don't
> believe that any of my local bike shops would be appreciative if all
> their customers parked their bikes inside the shop: most just don't have
> the space.
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
>
and there is the problem of 'upgrading' as they leave ;)

--
/Marten

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Martin Dann writtificated

> So why has Specializeds shiny new bike shop on Park Street in Bristol
> got this sign up on its door? (Or words to that effect).

Wet bikes leave a little puddle of filthy black water on the floor, which
then has to be immediately mopped up by the staff.

EBC in Manchester had stands outside and encouraged people to put their
bikes on the stands inside. We could live with the mopping up.
 
Rob Morley said the following on 02/04/2008 05:59:

> Seems fair enough to me - apart from bringing in dirt, bikes get in the
> way and can cause damage. Why wouldn't you use the stands if they're
> reasonable ones?

When I was in Lincoln a while ago, I was waiting outside a bike shop
with the bikes whilst others were browsing, when the owner came out and
said words to the effect of "What on earth are you doing out there?
Bring the bikes in!"

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 
In article <[email protected]>, Rob Morley wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Martin Dann
>[email protected] says...
>> "Do not bring your bike into this shop. You are only allowed to bring
>> your bike into this shop if it has been booked into the workshop.
>> Please leave your bike locked up outside to the cycle stands provided.
>>
>> We do not want wet or muddy bikes in our shop."
>>
>Seems fair enough to me - apart from bringing in dirt, bikes get in the
>way and can cause damage. Why wouldn't you use the stands if they're
>reasonable ones?

Some of my local bike shops barely have room for two people to pass
each other without bikes. At least one has a sign pointing out that
the workshop has a side door so please don't bring bikes through the
shop, I think the rest just assume it's bloody obvious that it would
be silly to bring a bike inside if you could avoid it.
 
"David Hansen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:46:03 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Duncan
> Smith <[email protected]> wrote this:-
>
>>I'd say a more accommodating attitude from the shop would help, one
>>where you could take your bike to the shop without having to plan to
>>carry a lock.
>
> A sensible shop would have locks for people to use in this
> situation.
>
>

A bike shop near to me has 2 signs in the window - please use the bike
stands provided a lock is available if you need to borrow one.

The other - man man who lends tools has left the country never to return.

Dave
 
"Adam Lea" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ekul Namsob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1ieqolu.xxgmw0jt8an9N%[email protected]...
>> Martin Dann <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Neil Williams wrote:
>>> > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:26:09 -0500, naked_draughtsman
>>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> A more tactful sign would help though!
>>> >
>>> > The word "please" on the start would have gone a long way on its own.
>>>
>>> I cannot remember the exact words, please may have been there, but I
>>> don't think so.
>>>
>>> I just find the idea of a bike shop not allowing bike to be brought into
>>> the shop very strange.
>>
>> I've never felt the need to drive my car into a car showroom and I don't
>> believe that any of my local bike shops would be appreciative if all
>> their customers parked their bikes inside the shop: most just don't have
>> the space.
>>
>
> I have never felt the need to drive my car onto the local train service,
> this doesn't mean I think cycles should be banned from trains.
>
> Bicycles and cars are very different objects with very different
> properties. What is reasonable practice with one may not necessarily be
> reasonable with the other.
>

But most supermarkets are far larger than most bike shops and they expect
you to not wheel your bike round so why the bike shop.

Those local to me would have problems if you took the bike in as they are so
crammed full of gear.

Dave
 
On Apr 2, 10:10 am, Mark T
<pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid>
wrote:
> Martin Dann writtificated
>
> > So why has Specializeds shiny new bike shop on Park Street in Bristol
> > got this sign up on its door? (Or words to that effect).
>
> Wet bikes leave a little puddle of filthy black water on the floor, which
> then has to be immediately mopped up by the staff.
>
> EBC in Manchester had stands outside and encouraged people to put their
> bikes on the stands inside.  We could live with the mopping up.

Sigma Sport in Kingston has an area at the front of the shop reseved
for customers' bikes. A lot of their regular customers incorporate
their visit into a training ride and wouldn't want to be carrying a
heavy lock.

--
Dave...
 
In article <[email protected]>, Ben C
[email protected] says...

> Locks belong on lamp-posts and railings and should be left behind there
> when you ride off.

What utter nonsense - how do you get to the bar if you have to watch
your bike all the time?

> These are the basics, any bike shop should understand them. Any shop
> with such a curmudgeonly sign outside would certainly prevent me from
> stopping by to buy for example a nipple to go on the end of a brake
> cable or a tube of vulcanizing solution.
>
All the bike shops I've worked in used all available floor space to
display stock, and still had plenty of stuff out the back that we'd have
liked to get in.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Dave
<[email protected]> writes

>But most supermarkets are far larger than most bike shops and they expect
>you to not wheel your bike round so why the bike shop.

I regularly trundle my folded Brompton round all my local supermarkets.
I've not yet taken it into the insanely busy Waitrose on the King's
Road, but it occupies less space than one of their trolleys, so I
probably would if I needed to. Certainly wouldn't try it with the Evans
in any supermarket.
--
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In article <[email protected]>,
naked_draughtsman <[email protected]> writes

>A more tactful sign would help though!

Last weekend I spotted some signs outside a shop (not a bike shop, don't
know what it was selling) on North End Road. One was, 'Do not stand near
the door' and the other 'Do not stand near the window'.

I was tempted to take photos of them, but I don't think the shady
looking staff lurking inside would be very happy about it. For all I
know there's a sign saying 'Do not take photos'.
--
congokid
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On 1 Apr, 20:02, Martin Dann <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Do not bring your bike into this shop. You are only allowed to bring
> your bike into this shop if it has been booked into the workshop.
> Please leave your bike locked up outside to the cycle stands provided.
>
> We do not want wet or muddy bikes in our shop."
>
> So why has Specializeds shiny new bike shop on Park Street in Bristol
> got this sign up on its door? (Or words to that effect).
> Zero G formally Bike Tech used to allow bikes in when they owned the
> shop there.
>
> They obviously do not want trade from current cyclists in their new shop.

I can remember when Harry Hall's was in the Corn Exchange in
Manchester, they had a sign that said the very opposite. As they were
in a basement, it wasn't easy for people to keep an eye on their
bikes, so they encouraged you to take your bike in if you didn't have
a lock.

David Lloyd
 
congokid wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> naked_draughtsman <[email protected]> writes
>
>> A more tactful sign would help though!
>
> Last weekend I spotted some signs outside a shop (not a bike shop, don't
> know what it was selling) on North End Road. One was, 'Do not stand near
> the door' and the other 'Do not stand near the window'.
>
> I was tempted to take photos of them, but I don't think the shady
> looking staff lurking inside would be very happy about it. For all I
> know there's a sign saying 'Do not take photos'.


A furniture shop near me had multiple entrances, in one door it had two
signs, "Please use the other door." and "Do not sleep in this door way." ;-)
 
dkahn400 said:
Sigma Sport in Kingston has an area at the front of the shop reseved
for customers' bikes. A lot of their regular customers incorporate
their visit into a training ride and wouldn't want to be carrying a
heavy lock.
Click to expand...
I would think training would be the perfect reason to carry an extra few pounds, like a lock. :)
 
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:59:18 +0100, Rob Morley wrote:

> Seems fair enough to me - apart from bringing in dirt, bikes get in the
> way and can cause damage. Why wouldn't you use the stands if they're
> reasonable ones?

One of the bike shops in Loughborough used to have railings outside of it
but were replaced with big chunky sheffield stands (The bike shop was
located on the corner of a busy junction). I got the impression the bike
shop had nothing to do with it - the council just swapped them one day
when they were putting in new kerbs.

I found the railings easier to lock to!

peter
 
Adam Lea <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Ekul Namsob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1ieqolu.xxgmw0jt8an9N%[email protected]...
> > Martin Dann <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Neil Williams wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:26:09 -0500, naked_draughtsman
> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A more tactful sign would help though!
> >> >
> >> > The word "please" on the start would have gone a long way on its own.
> >>
> >> I cannot remember the exact words, please may have been there, but I
> >> don't think so.
> >>
> >> I just find the idea of a bike shop not allowing bike to be brought into
> >> the shop very strange.
> >
> > I've never felt the need to drive my car into a car showroom and I don't
> > believe that any of my local bike shops would be appreciative if all
> > their customers parked their bikes inside the shop: most just don't have
> > the space.
> >
>
> I have never felt the need to drive my car onto the local train service,
> this doesn't mean I think cycles should be banned from trains.
>
> Bicycles and cars are very different objects with very different properties.
> What is reasonable practice with one may not necessarily be reasonable with
> the other.

this said, my local is fairly small and rather packed bike shop, i don't
wheel my bike in unless it's booked in etc. they have some stands
outside so i leave the bike there, but to be honest it's so local i tend
to walk over.

roger
--
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"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Adam Lea" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Ekul Namsob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:1ieqolu.xxgmw0jt8an9N%[email protected]...
>>> Martin Dann <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neil Williams wrote:
>>>> > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:26:09 -0500, naked_draughtsman
>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> A more tactful sign would help though!
>>>> >
>>>> > The word "please" on the start would have gone a long way on its own.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot remember the exact words, please may have been there, but I
>>>> don't think so.
>>>>
>>>> I just find the idea of a bike shop not allowing bike to be brought
>>>> into
>>>> the shop very strange.
>>>
>>> I've never felt the need to drive my car into a car showroom and I don't
>>> believe that any of my local bike shops would be appreciative if all
>>> their customers parked their bikes inside the shop: most just don't have
>>> the space.
>>>
>>
>> I have never felt the need to drive my car onto the local train service,
>> this doesn't mean I think cycles should be banned from trains.
>>
>> Bicycles and cars are very different objects with very different
>> properties. What is reasonable practice with one may not necessarily be
>> reasonable with the other.
>>
>
> But most supermarkets are far larger than most bike shops and they expect
> you to not wheel your bike round so why the bike shop.
>
> Those local to me would have problems if you took the bike in as they are
> so crammed full of gear.
>
> Dave

Just to clarify, are we talking about wheeling the bike round the bike shop
or just parking it inside then going to browse? Wheeling a bike around a
shop whilst trying to browse does not appeal since a bike is a cumbersome
object to wheel around in confined spaces. I have once put my folding bike
inside a supermarket before shopping and no-one complained.

One of the club rides has a tea stop at a garden centre. We wheel our bikes
through the garden centre to get to the cafe without any problems.

Obviously I wouldn't try to park a bike inside anywhere where it would
clearly get in the way.
 
Adam Lea wrote:
> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Adam Lea" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Ekul Namsob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:1ieqolu.xxgmw0jt8an9N%[email protected]...
>>>> Martin Dann <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Neil Williams wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:26:09 -0500, naked_draughtsman
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A more tactful sign would help though!
>>>>>> The word "please" on the start would have gone a long way on its own.
>>>>> I cannot remember the exact words, please may have been there, but I
>>>>> don't think so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just find the idea of a bike shop not allowing bike to be brought
>>>>> into
>>>>> the shop very strange.
>>>> I've never felt the need to drive my car into a car showroom and I don't
>>>> believe that any of my local bike shops would be appreciative if all
>>>> their customers parked their bikes inside the shop: most just don't have
>>>> the space.
>>>>
>>> I have never felt the need to drive my car onto the local train service,
>>> this doesn't mean I think cycles should be banned from trains.
>>>
>>> Bicycles and cars are very different objects with very different
>>> properties. What is reasonable practice with one may not necessarily be
>>> reasonable with the other.
>>>
>> But most supermarkets are far larger than most bike shops and they expect
>> you to not wheel your bike round so why the bike shop.
>>
>> Those local to me would have problems if you took the bike in as they are
>> so crammed full of gear.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Just to clarify, are we talking about wheeling the bike round the bike shop
> or just parking it inside then going to browse? Wheeling a bike around a
> shop whilst trying to browse does not appeal since a bike is a cumbersome
> object to wheel around in confined spaces. I have once put my folding bike
> inside a supermarket before shopping and no-one complained.

I am talking about parking it inside the bike shop. I would not wheeling
it around inside. I have been given advice about my bike from staff, who
would not have volunteered that advice had I left my bike outside.

However if the bike shop was really small and crammed full of stuff,
then I would not contemplate draggging my bike in. The nearest bike shop
to me is like this, and I walk there if I am going to visit it.

Martin.
 
Ekul Namsob writtificated

> May I ask what is unreasonable about asking customers to lock up a bike
> outside a bike shop?

In bike shops that have the space it is customary to wheel the bike in and
leave it propped against a wall/the counter/whatever whilst you make your
purchase.

Demanding that customers leave their bikes outside is a bit like demanding
customers remove their shoes. It's, well, just a little bit odd.
 
Ekul Namsob wrote:
> Martin Dann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When you take your car or lorry to a petrol station, do you park it
>> outside and carry the petrol from the pumps to the car/lorry in buckets? :)
>
> I always park my car outside at the petrol station. I even find that
> they provide handy pumps next to the car and lorry parking spaces.

Except they are not parking spaces, you are effectively stopping your
car inside the shop to buy petrol. The people running the petrol station
would be very annoyed if you stopped next to a pump, then nipped next
door to buy some fish and chips.
 
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:

> this said, my local is fairly small and rather packed bike shop, i don't
> wheel my bike in unless it's booked in etc. they have some stands
> outside so i leave the bike there, but to be honest it's so local i tend
> to walk over.

Walk? Heck, God made feet so we could pedal with them.

Luke


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