6th, the reason.

Callistus Valerius said:

Why a 6th? Because LA wants to erase from the memory of every American cyclist the name,
"Greg LeMond."

Thanks for reminding us that Lemond won five times and didn't do two too many tours before
finally retiring.

He'll always be known for winning by the smallest margin ever.

Jiyang

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Why a 6th? Because LA wants to erase from the memory of every American cyclist the name, "Greg
LeMond."

bull Maybe by you.

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He'll always be known for winning by the smallest margin ever.

Jiyang

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Why a 6th? Because LA wants to erase from the memory of every American cyclist the name, "Greg
LeMond."

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Why a 6th? Because LA wants to erase from the memory of every American cyclist the name, "Greg
LeMond."

You know, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess that would be the LEAST of Lance's reasons for
wanting to win 6.

S.

Callistus Valerius said:

Why a 6th? Because LA wants to erase from the memory of every American

cyclist the name, "Greg >LeMond."

I don't think that is Lance's motivation, however, it is pretty obvious that LA did not and does
not like being referenced along with GL. My own impression is that people liked GL much more than
they do LA. You must respect LA's athletic ability but for some reason people generally do not
accept him as a "true champion" whatever that means. I suggest part of the reason is LA has made
winning look so easy in the past, and I believe people generally like him more when he was
struggling a bit in this TDF.

Unfortunately for LA, I do not believe he will ever rise to the fame of Indurain, Lemond, Roche,
Hinault, Merckx. It has nothing to do with his athletic ability... he just appears to be more
removed from the fans/audience. I guess LA is the champion we love to hate?

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Quoted message said:

I don't think that is Lance's motivation, however, it is pretty obvious that LA did not and does
not like being referenced along with GL. My own impression is that people liked GL much more than
they do LA. You must respect LA's athletic ability but for some reason people generally do not
accept him as a "true champion" whatever that means.

My experience from Europe was that the impression was that Lemond was an incredible whiner who won
on gadgetry. That's not my opinion, but I can see how they came to that opinion. Bill C

Quoted message said:

From: "snjr"

Quoted message said:

I guess LA is the champion we love to >hate?

have been watching close enough. --Tom Paterson

Callistus Valerius said:

Why a 6th? Because LA wants to erase from the memory of every American cyclist the name, "Greg
LeMond."

He's already got Lemond under pressure to come up with a virtual 5th victory. This time I think
Lemond will crack.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

Tom wrote:

not

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have been watching close enough. --Tom Paterson

Well, if what you need to observe public sentiment are big signs with obscenities on them, then you
really must watch closer. I think the flag waving is for America but not necessarily LA.
Historically, people identify with their country more than they do with the individual. Besides, I
have no hard facts about the perception of LA, my statements are simply my observation from several
years of observing the criticism LA receives verses other champions.

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Quoted message said:

From: "snjr" [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

I don't think that is Lance's motivation, however, it is pretty obvious that LA did not and does
not like being referenced along with GL. My own impression is that people liked GL much more than
they do LA. You must respect LA's athletic ability but for some reason people generally do not
accept him as a "true champion" whatever that means.

My experience from Europe was that the impression was that Lemond was an incredible whiner who won
on gadgetry. That's not my opinion, but I can see how they came to that opinion. Bill C

That is this European's opinion. There have been 3 times I have found myself standing-up, shouting
at the TV during a cycle race and one of those was in '89 - shouting for Fignon as he came down
Champs-Elysees.

Regards! Stephen

Tom Paterson said:

I don't think you have a lot of company in the "hate" you have for LA.

Actually, I think more cycling fans dislike LA than like him. I can't tell you why that is. I don't
particularly dislike LA, I just don't like him as much as other champion cyclists. However, I will
admit during this year's tour he did seem more likeable. Perhaps it was because he appeared more
vulnerable and as we all know everyone loves an underdog.

My short list of "true champions" are;

Eddy Merckx, Stephen Roche, Miguel Indurain, Jan Ullrich, Greg Lemond, Sean Kelly, Joop Zoetemelk ,
and of course CIPOLLINI!

LA's recovery from his infamous crash is legendary, professionalism at its best. Obviously one has
to be impressed with LA's ability as a bike racer, its just something about LA the person I think
prevents him from being considered a "true champion" by many.

Maybe its the scientific preparation, the swift departures at the end of races, all the things that
make LA a success, may at the same time make him less personal. In LA's defense, it is not afterall
about the fans, but about winning the race and obtaining results for the sponsors.

I believe that this article is substantial proof that atleast in the US your opinion is in the
miority, It is also safe to say that LeMond never got anywhere close to this level of fame...

washingtontimes.com20030628 104419 4024r.htmOpen ↗

As far as the foriegn press is concerned, they did give him the Orange award this year...

As far as his fellow riders, It seems he is extremely well respected...Even from those he might be
harsh too... I.E. Simoni, Went to get his autograph, I think that was his way of saying you know
Lance I think I did underestimate the Tour...

Personally I think he is a hero to million's (including myself) and in this world of obnoxious
athletes he is fairly beyond reproach.

And he certainly can sell a product. I have never seen so many trek
5200/5500/5900 bike's (including mine: It matches my Bianchi team jersey terribly 🙂 ) in my life.

SPA

SPA

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Callistus Valerius said:

Why a 6th? Because LA wants to erase from the memory of every American

cyclist the name, "Greg >LeMond."

I don't think that is Lance's motivation, however, it is pretty obvious that LA did not and does
not like being referenced along with GL. My own impression is that people liked GL much more than
they do LA. You must respect LA's athletic ability but for some reason people generally do not
accept him as a "true champion" whatever that means. I suggest part of the reason is LA has made
winning look so easy in the past, and I believe people generally like him more when he was
struggling a bit in this TDF.

Unfortunately for LA, I do not believe he will ever rise to the fame of Indurain, Lemond, Roche,
Hinault, Merckx. It has nothing to do with his athletic ability... he just appears to be more
removed from the fans/audience. I guess LA is the champion we love to hate?

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Quoted message said:

Tom Paterson said:

I don't think you have a lot of company in the "hate" you have for LA.

Actually, I think more cycling fans dislike LA than like him. I can't

tell

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you why that is.

<snip>

Hey Dumbass -

The French press gave him the orange award this year.

You are entitled to your opinion, but don't project it onto everyone else.

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I believe that this article is substantial proof that atleast in the US your opinion is in the
miority, It is also safe to say that LeMond never got anywhere close to this level of fame...

washingtontimes.com20030628 104419 4024r.htmOpen ↗

A Washington Post article that talked mostly about sponsorship and branding is proof that LA is
famous and well liked by fans? Boy if that's all it takes there are a lot of well liked and famous
people in the US!

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As far as the foriegn press is concerned, they did give him the Orange award this year...

You're right that says it all, LA is by far the greatest cycling champion ever because the French
press gave him oranges this year instead of a lemon.

Quoted message said:

As far as his fellow riders, It seems he is extremely well respected...

Respect and "liked" are two different things entirely. I don't think anyone can not respect LA's
athletic ability, except perhaps some of the sports fans who call bowlers and the like "athletes."?

Quoted message said:

Even from those he might be harsh too... I.E. Simoni, Went to get his autograph, I think that was
his way of saying you know Lance I think I did underestimate the Tour...

Or perhaps Simoni is going to sell the autograph on EBAY to some glossy eyed fan? 🙂

He'll always be known for being shot with a shotgun and coming back to win 2 more.

???

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He'll always be known for winning by the smallest margin ever.

Jiyang

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Why a 6th? Because LA wants to erase from the memory of every

American

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cyclist the name, "Greg LeMond."

The deep thinker said:

The French press gave him the orange award this year.

Kurgan; you really are a moron aren't you? You are also a very shallow thinker. Here is your
reasoning broken down so even you can understand
it...

"gee dude.... duhhhhh, the French gave Lance a basket of oranges.... duhhhh.... DUDE!... That must
mean everyone loves Lance!"

Did you graduate high school?

Further 'Kurgan Gringioni said:

You are entitled to your opinion, but don't project it onto everyone else.

"Projecting an opinion" and expressing an opinion are synonymous you dolt. Last I checked that's
what people do on news groups, express opinions. Give it up dude... go smoke your breakfast.

snjr wrote:

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Respect and "liked" are two different things entirely. I don't think anyone can not respect LA's
athletic ability, except perhaps some of the sports fans who call bowlers and the like
"athletes."?

In the sense that the French respected Anquetil but loved Poulidor?

Steve

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Even from those he might be harsh too... I.E. Simoni, Went to get his autograph, I think that
was his way of saying you know Lance I think I did underestimate the Tour...

Or perhaps Simoni is going to sell the autograph on EBAY to some glossy eyed fan? 🙂

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The deep thinker said:

The French press gave him the orange award this year.

Kurgan; you really are a moron aren't you? You are also a very shallow thinker. Here is your
reasoning broken down so even you can understand
it...

"gee dude.... duhhhhh, the French gave Lance a basket of oranges.... duhhhh.... DUDE!... That must
mean everyone loves Lance!"

No. Unlike you I don't take my own opinions and project them onto everyone else.

In the previous post, you wrote:

"Actually, I think more cycling fans dislike LA than like him"

which is refuted by:

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French Call Armstrong Class Act By SAMUEL ABT

PARIS, July 28 - In a little-noticed ceremony, the photographers who cover the Tour de France
awarded their Prix Orange to Lance Armstrong last week, honoring him as the most cooperative rider.
Two years ago, they gave him the Prix Citron, or Lemon Prize, an award for the opposite behavior.

The photographers' shift may have little meaning beyond Armstrong's willingness to smile more often
for the camera. In a way, though, it mirrors a change in the attitude of French spectators toward
Armstrong, who has won the last five Tours.

He earned widespread respect when he made a comeback from cancer and won the Tour in 1999. There was
coolness toward Armstrong when he dominated the next two races - the French tend to admire the man
in second place in most situations - and now there appears to be renewed admiration.

He now speaks a comprehensible French during television interviews, mending many a Gallic heart. And
his autobiography, detailing his fight against a cancer that spread to his brain and lungs, was a
best-seller in France, enabling readers to know him as a person, not merely as a great champion.

At a meeting this morning at the Crillon Hotel, Armstrong, looking weary but sounding gracious,
said, "It was a real honor to win the Tour de France as a cancer survivor.''

He left the lectern to loud applause from the mainly French crowd. So it went throughout the Tour:
cheers for Armstrong at the sign-in for each daily stage, an abundance of posters supporting him in
French and an absence of the jeers he had drawn occasionally in previous years.

When he was asked a few days ago for his reaction to the horde of fans with United States flags
along the route, Armstrong said: "Many times you get next to them and it's a French person. It's
strange, but many times it happens. I can't complain about the kind of support it is. It's much
appreciated.''

Then he spoke, as he often did before the Tour, about the need to repair French-American relations,
which have been strained by the war in Iraq.

During the three-week race, fans voiced appreciation for Armstrong's skill and nearly unanimous
respect for him. Again and again, people along the side of the Tour's many roads described him as
"un grand monsieur,'' which roughly translates to "a class act.''

That phrase first popped up from a spectator at the first stage, on July 6. After a crash left
Armstrong and dozens of other riders sprawled on the road, a fan said he hoped Armstrong had not
been hurt so badly that he would have to quit the race. "Without him, the Tour loses much of its
interest,'' he said. Then he described Armstrong as "un grand monsieur.''

The phrase was repeated the next week by a police officer on duty in the Alps. Then there was a
spectator, French despite the Washington Redskins cap on his head, during the first individual time
trial on July 18. The spectator and a friend described themselves as "not fans of cycling, but fans
of the Tour de France and even fans of Armstrong.'' Farther down the road, a counterman in a
sandwich shop said: "I stopped following the sport because of all the drugs. When Armstrong began
winning, I came back, since I can't believe anybody who had cancer would take no matter what drugs.
He's revived the sport.''

And, of course, the counterman called Armstrong "un grand monsieur.''

In 1993, when Armstrong was 21 and racing in his first Tour de France, he was relaxing out of
uniform. Because of his youth and inexperience, his team, Motorola, had him withdraw about halfway
through the race. Armstrong mused about Miguel Indurain of Spain, who was in the process of winning
the third of five successive Tours.

"Indurain, I admire him as much as a person as a bike rider,'' Armstrong said. "He's a lord:
gracious, generous, cool, always in control. He's the kind of guy I'd like to grow up to be.''

No doubt about it - in the judgment of the French and nearly everyone else, he has.

snjr said:

The deep thinker said:

The French press gave him the orange award this year.

Kurgan; you really are a moron aren't you? You are also a very shallow thinker. Here is your
reasoning broken down so even you can understand
it...

The difference between the Prix de citron and the Prix d'orange from the Tour journalists is
considerable...