2003 TDF Incident

Paul said:

Was watching my " Six Of The Best" Dvd about Lance Armstrong.
Anyhow in the 2003 TDF, there was an incident where I think it was Beloci ??
lost it on a sharp curve, and had a bad crash and was seriously injured,
anyway Lance was behind him when Beloci fell, and Lance went around him and
cut a corner, and maybe saved himself 10 secs.
He really didn't have much choice, but my question is, should he have been
penalized for that ?

He probably didn't save any time. He slowed down on the grass, and he
had to dismount and remount when he got onto the next stage of road. He
didn't gain any positions in the process. So no, he shouldn't be
penalised.

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Secondly, another incident, when Lance crashed, because he hooked on too
some spectators bag, and Jan Ulrich took the lead and seemed to slow down
for Lance to rejoin.

Anyway after the race they interviewd Lance and he said that he also did
that to Jan when he once crashed.
Lance said that when someone thats leading crashes, you don't attack, you
wait for the crashed rider to catchup again if he is able too.

I found this strange, as I thought you would take advantage of someones
mishap.

Is this the norm in Pro Racing ?

Paul

There's alot of etiquette in cycling. I had some mates who took a wrong
turn in a race recently, because the course was badly marked. The bunch
did not slow down for them to rejoin, and that was considered really,
really poor form.

Aside from that... I'd rather have Lance to work with than do it on my
own... but then, I'd be hanging onto his seat...

Tam

Anyone know where I can find this "6 of the best" on Bittorrent?

Paul said:

I found this strange, as I thought you would take advantage of someones
mishap.

Is this the norm in Pro Racing ?

Paul

seems to be a pride thing that you want to win clean
(see Bettini pour the champers out after getting accused of blocking out Cookey in the giro?) and not cos of misfortune of others

In crits it seems to be the opposite in crits. due to high speed endings if the crunching sound soft a crash is heard the leaders are more likely to hammer.
Having been the 'cruncher' recently Im not sure what the thinking is here but Imguessing its a combo of adrenalin and fear and knowing the bunch is now split and serves you right for 'sittin in' back there ?

Tamyka Bell said:

He probably didn't save any time. He slowed down on the grass, and he
had to dismount and remount when he got onto the next stage of road. He
didn't gain any positions in the process. So no, he shouldn't be
penalised.

Yeah i think it was just common sense prevailing. Plus from memory the race jury or whatever called it an "incident of the race" and thought Armstrong just did not have a choice but to take that action.

Tamyka Bell said:

There's alot of etiquette in cycling. I had some mates who took a wrong
turn in a race recently, because the course was badly marked. The bunch
did not slow down for them to rejoin, and that was considered really,
really poor form.

Tam

There´s alot of etiquette and unwritten rules in cycling thats for sure. I find alot of the time though, riders tend to pick and choose when it applys to them or not. You will see rider A blasting rider B in a breakaway group for not working and then sprinting for the win, then in another race at another time that same rider A will do the same thing.

Recently at the Eneco Benelux Tour the peloton went right off course. It was farcial really. Im with the breakaway riders on this one though. They did nothing wrong. Embarrassing day for the Pro Tour all round. Its worth a read, for a good laugh if anything.

cyclingnews.com.aueneco05Open ↗

Professional races in the past have also shown little sympathy for when riders take the wrong direction. There was a race earlier this year (i forget which) where about 70 of the riders were taken so far off course they did not make the time cut and werent able to continue the stage race.

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Tamyka Bell said:

He probably didn't save any time. He slowed down on the grass, and he
had to dismount and remount when he got onto the next stage of road.
He
didn't gain any positions in the process. So no, he shouldn't be
penalised.

Yeah i think it was just common sense prevailing. Plus from memory the
race jury or whatever called it an "incident of the race" and thought
Armstrong just did not have a choice but to take that action.

That's what they ruled at the time, that is that he had no option but to
evade the accident and given the camber etc any other option would have
created a greater hazard to the field (joining before the corner).
Given that another rider's bike (mechanical) caused it I think it was
fair enough. Actually it looks pretty good - going bush, quick
dismount/remount

Check it out it's on Hollentour.

Cheers

BrettM

Paul said:

Was watching my " Six Of The Best" Dvd about Lance Armstrong.
Anyhow in the 2003 TDF, there was an incident where I think it was Beloci ??
lost it on a sharp curve, and had a bad crash and was seriously injured,
anyway Lance was behind him when Beloci fell, and Lance went around him and
cut a corner, and maybe saved himself 10 secs.
He really didn't have much choice, but my question is, should he have been
penalized for that ?

Secondly, another incident, when Lance crashed, because he hooked on too
some spectators bag, and Jan Ulrich took the lead and seemed to slow down
for Lance to rejoin.

Anyway after the race they interviewd Lance and he said that he also did
that to Jan when he once crashed.
Lance said that when someone thats leading crashes, you don't attack, you
wait for the crashed rider to catchup again if he is able too.

I found this strange, as I thought you would take advantage of someones
mishap.

Is this the norm in Pro Racing ?

Paul

Tamyka Bell said:

Paul said:

Was watching my " Six Of The Best" Dvd about Lance Armstrong.
Anyhow in the 2003 TDF, there was an incident where I think it was Beloci ??
lost it on a sharp curve, and had a bad crash and was seriously injured,
anyway Lance was behind him when Beloci fell, and Lance went around him and
cut a corner, and maybe saved himself 10 secs.
He really didn't have much choice, but my question is, should he have been
penalized for that ?

He probably didn't save any time. He slowed down on the grass, and he
had to dismount and remount when he got onto the next stage of road. He
didn't gain any positions in the process. So no, he shouldn't be
penalised.

Quoted message said:

Secondly, another incident, when Lance crashed, because he hooked on too
some spectators bag, and Jan Ulrich took the lead and seemed to slow down
for Lance to rejoin.

Anyway after the race they interviewd Lance and he said that he also did
that to Jan when he once crashed.
Lance said that when someone thats leading crashes, you don't attack, you
wait for the crashed rider to catchup again if he is able too.

I found this strange, as I thought you would take advantage of someones
mishap.

Is this the norm in Pro Racing ?

Paul

There's alot of etiquette in cycling. I had some mates who took a wrong
turn in a race recently, because the course was badly marked. The bunch
did not slow down for them to rejoin, and that was considered really,
really poor form.

Yeah what goes around comes around.. IF you dont do the right thing
sooner or later.....

Its why some sprinters make [censored] racers.. They have this built in
sprinter thing of pissing off everyone. [censored] of everyone and you
will do poorly in road racing 🙂

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Aside from that... I'd rather have Lance to work with than do it on my
own... but then, I'd be hanging onto his seat...

Tam

Paul said:

Anyway after the race they interviewd Lance and he said that he also did
that to Jan when he once crashed.
Lance said that when someone thats leading crashes, you don't attack, you
wait for the crashed rider to catchup again if he is able too.

I found this strange, as I thought you would take advantage of someones
mishap.

Is this the norm in Pro Racing ?

The Yellow Jersey holder in the TdF has certain "unwritten"
rights..examples include;

He can stop the peloton (but not a breakaway) if he wishes to
um...relieve himself.

He may be declared the winner of the GC if he crashes during the final
stage, provided the officials are satisfied his time-gap wouldn't be
closed over that remaining distance "under normal circumstances."

These "rules" are formulated so that that the Yellow Jersey is not lost
for any reason other than cycling ability.