Rolhoff lubmatic or Scottoiler

paul said:

or other chain maintenance?

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I only seem to come here to ask questions at the moment 🙁

Quoted message said:

Anyway, 15 feet of recumbent chain needs some love and attention, so
being a lazy sod (I don't mind doing things once, but they should stay
done!) I was wondering about the two above automatic lubing systems. Has
anyone experience of these systems, I'd like to know it they are
effective, or whether they actually only dispence Snake Oil.
Or do I just have to bite the bullet and invoke a chain maintence
programme?

The question you need to ask is how much they lubricate the rear tyre.

How have you solved the problem of getting the washing up to stay done?
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How have you solved the problem of getting the washing up to stay done?

A dishwasher helps here. As does shouting at the children to load and
unload it. Though not much on the second one 🙂
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If at first you don't succeed...
Skydiving is probably not the sport for you.

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A dishwasher helps here. As does shouting at the children to load and
unload it. Though not much on the second one 🙂

Surely dishwashers are just a kind of posh cupboard?........ Dishes go in
dirty, clean ones come out as needed ;-)

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Surely dishwashers are just a kind of posh cupboard?........ Dishes go in
dirty, clean ones come out as needed ;-)

A suggestion on kitchen design from a friend was "Fit two dishwashers".
Clean plates leave one, get used, enter the other. All remaining
cupboard space can be used for ingredients.

Jon

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thing.not.too.hard.to.work.out> says...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A dishwasher helps here. As does shouting at the children to load and
unload it. Though not much on the second one 🙂

Surely dishwashers are just a kind of posh cupboard?........ Dishes go in
dirty, clean ones come out as needed ;-)

Well, yes and no. With three children in the house, one of whom is now
vegitarian, it is not unusual for a meal to produce more than on load
for the thing. And SWMBO is something of an obsesive when it comes to
Things Being In their Proper Place.

All though this is an interesting aside, it's not getting my original
question answered is it. 🙁 does this mean that no one uses fancy chain
lubing systems?
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If at first you don't succeed...
Skydiving is probably not the sport for you.

paul said:

Anyway, 15 feet of recumbent chain needs some love and attention, so
being a lazy sod (I don't mind doing things once, but they should stay
done!) I was wondering about the two above automatic lubing systems.
Has anyone experience of these systems, I'd like to know it they are
effective, or whether they actually only dispence Snake Oil.
Or do I just have to bite the bullet and invoke a chain maintence
programme?

With the Scottoiler, I've heard the chain has to be regularly hosed down
to stop the gunk building up. That largely defeats the object, if you ask
me.

Sorry no first hand experience.

~PB

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All though this is an interesting aside, it's not getting my original
question answered is it. 🙁 does this mean that no one uses fancy chain
lubing systems?

Looks like it! I think most of us just clean and lube the chains every
now and again. I'm more interested in trying one of these wax solutions
but after my experiences with other "high-tec" lubes I'm still wary.
I'll have to bite the bullet at some point.

Jon

paul said:

or other chain maintenance?

I only seem to come here to ask questions at the moment 🙁

Anyway, 15 feet of recumbent chain needs some love and attention, so
being a lazy sod (I don't mind doing things once, but they should stay
done!) I was wondering about the two above automatic lubing systems. Has
anyone experience of these systems, I'd like to know it they are
effective, or whether they actually only dispence Snake Oil.
Or do I just have to bite the bullet and invoke a chain maintence
programme?

TiA

I have the Scottoiler system fitted to my heavy duty expedition bike.
The fluid it uses is water soluable, so cleaning is a piece of cake,
just rinse the gunk off - infact cycling in the rain does most of the
job for you! A quick squeeze of the squid (little pump thingy) and
fluid is pumped to the replacement jokey wheel which spins it out
evenlyish over the chain. I imagine you'd need 3 pumps for a 15ft
chain though. I can't fault the system, good value for the performance
and time saved. (I have no connection to the manufactorer, just
satisfied customer)

Chris

paul said:

or other chain maintenance?

I only seem to come here to ask questions at the moment 🙁

Anyway, 15 feet of recumbent chain needs some love and attention

It's a two edged sword, the long chain. It will lose you some
efficiency and gives a lot more to take care of, but OTOH the chainline
on derailleurs isn't so angled at the extremes so less chain wear, and
with 3 times as much it'll only effectively take a third of the crunge
at any point. Since a lot of the transmission is up a ling way from the
splash zone you get less [censored] on it to start with, and that effect is
enhanced by the chain tubes on the GH in any case.

I'm still on my first chain(s) after 3 years on the SMGT, and it looks
fine. I just give it a good dose of GT-85 and wipe off the excess
(about 30 seconds work, you have to be so lazy you wouldn't even have a
bike not to bother with that!), and despite Simon B's assertion that
GT-85 will rot your chain it seems to be doing Just Fine with that and
nothing more. And I imagine the council here use rather more salt in
the winter than they do down your way.

I think Kinetics sells both the Lubmatic and the Scottoiler so you may
get some good pro/con info from Ben. But I find a can of lube and a bit
of rag is plenty for mine and isn't intrusively awful to do.

Pete.
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I've used aLubmatic for a while, but switched back to manual
lubrication when I got rid of the chain tensioner (BTW, the Rohloff
chain tensioner and Lubmatic are not directly compatible). It's easier
than applying lube by hand, but not all that much more. Using the
right lubricant makes more of a difference. I use Boeshield T-9: clean
and highly water resistent (if you can't find it at your LBS, try a
boatyard!) Being a lazy sod, I hardly ever clean my chain (almost 3
lenghts, on a lowracer, but thankfully without derailleur or other
gunkcollector) but let the rain wash the crud out. Chains last 3-
5.000 miles this way, using the cheapest kind.

Mark van Gorkom.