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  1. Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride this
    morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it pretty
    hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I lost
    70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the weight
    I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question. I
    did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and do
    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.
    It's the fast push that drains me so I need to build up a reserve of
    energy by race day.
    I do have a wager on myself with an old friend that's just 67 years old
    riding a road bike.
    Hope to get some help.

    Jerry

  2. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>


    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and
    do
    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.
    It's the fast push that drains me so I need to build up a reserve of
    energy by race day.
    <<<<<
    SNIP

    Hi, Jerry, I'm only 64 but I have some theories that might help you.

    You didn't start out riding 150 miles/week but had to work up to it,
    right?

    Therefore, if you start trying to ride with a faster group, you will
    find that, as time goes by, you will be able to hang with them for
    further and further as you 'adapt' to that faster pace. Its kind of
    like a runner doing speedwork.

    Also, I have tried some of those diets (even though I don't have a
    weight problem) and have found that eating what I _like_ seems to work
    best for me. I mean eating ice-cream, hot dogs, etc. but the trick is
    to only eat them in moderation when I'm not riding a lot of miles.

    Hope this helps.

    Lewis.

    ***************

    gcdoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride this
    morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it pretty
    hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I lost
    70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the weight
    I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question. I
    did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and do
    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.
    It's the fast push that drains me so I need to build up a reserve of
    energy by race day.
    I do have a wager on myself with an old friend that's just 67 years old
    riding a road bike.
    Hope to get some help.

    Jerry

  3. gcdoss said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride this
    morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it pretty
    hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I lost
    70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the weight
    I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question. I
    did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and do
    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.
    It's the fast push that drains me so I need to build up a reserve of
    energy by race day.
    I do have a wager on myself with an old friend that's just 67 years old
    riding a road bike.
    Hope to get some help.

    Jerry

    If you haven't already done so, make sure the Senior Olympics people
    will allow recumbents. They might not; I think here in Arizona they
    use the USCF rules, which would prohibit bents under current rules.

    Good luck. Sorry I can't really help on the nutrition question.

    Dave Lehnen

  4. Dave Lehnen said:
    gcdoss said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride
    this morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it
    pretty hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize
    quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I
    lost 70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the
    weight I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question.
    I did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and
    do another 30 or so on a mtn bike.
    It's the fast push that drains me so I need to build up a reserve of
    energy by race day.
    I do have a wager on myself with an old friend that's just 67 years
    old riding a road bike.
    Hope to get some help.

    Jerry

    If you haven't already done so, make sure the Senior Olympics people
    will allow recumbents. They might not; I think here in Arizona they
    use the USCF rules, which would prohibit bents under current rules.

    Good luck. Sorry I can't really help on the nutrition question.

    Dave Lehnen

    Here in Prescott, recumbents are allowed. They just don't have a
    separate category and are lumped in with all other type bikes.
    Guess we aren't very official but there are a lot of bikers involved
    this year.
    On nutrition,LBS guy told me today that he carbs up the night before
    with a lot of pasta. Then on race day eats a lite breakfast and has a
    high carb bar 30 minutes before race and another just before he starts.
    Also drinks lots of extra water the night before and during race.
    I'm trying his advice and carbing up tonight and will do a serious
    practice run tomorrow morning.

    Jerry 'carbing up' Doss

  5. "gcdoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride this
    morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it pretty
    hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I lost
    70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the weight
    I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question. I
    did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and do
    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.

    Are you allowed to race your Tour Easy? Bikes used in the Senior Olympics
    are supposed to conform to USAC specs.

  6. Trailgalore said:

    "gcdoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride this
    morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it pretty
    hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I lost
    70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the weight
    I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question. I
    did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and do
    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.

    Are you allowed to race your Tour Easy? Bikes used in the Senior Olympics
    are supposed to conform to USAC specs.


    It may be that the lady who signed me up wasn't up on recumbents being
    allowed or not. She told me they were but I was the only one entered. I
    may get to the race site and be bumped by a real official.
    Guess I will try to contact an official before race day to make sure I
    can race the Tour Easy.

  7. "gcdoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dave Lehnen said:
    gcdoss said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride
    this morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it
    pretty hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize
    quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I
    lost 70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the
    weight I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question.
    I did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and
    do another 30 or so on a mtn bike.


    If you haven't already done so, make sure the Senior Olympics people
    will allow recumbents. They might not; I think here in Arizona they
    use the USCF rules, which would prohibit bents under current rules.

    Da rule book states:
    SPORT RULES All cycling events will be conducted in accordance with U.S.
    Cycling Federation (USCF) rules, except as modified herein. For a copy of
    these rules, please write or call:Multi-gear (free wheel) bikes with front
    and rear brakes are required. Fixed gear and recumbent bicycles are not
    permitted. All bicycles must be certified by race officials prior to the
    competition.

  8. "gcdoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride this
    morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it pretty
    hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I lost
    70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the weight
    I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question. I
    did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and do
    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.
    It's the fast push that drains me so I need to build up a reserve of
    energy by race day.
    I do have a wager on myself with an old friend that's just 67 years old
    riding a road bike.
    Hope to get some help.

    Hey Jerry,
    I lost about 60 pounds low carbing and found that with distance or
    performance cycling I needed to do some carbing up in order to perform well.

    My guiding light in this arena is usually to be found on the weightlifting
    newsgroup (although I haven't been there in at least a year, so who knows
    where he is now). This article is likely to be helpful, but its geared
    towards weight training - read it anyway, the concepts are the same.
    http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

    If I were going to train for a short race like a 10K, I would be doing
    intervals. In my experience there is no faster way to improve your cardio
    fitness than intervals.

  9. "Child" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "gcdoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride this
    morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it pretty
    hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I lost
    70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the weight
    I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question. I
    did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and do
    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.
    It's the fast push that drains me so I need to build up a reserve of
    energy by race day.
    I do have a wager on myself with an old friend that's just 67 years old
    riding a road bike.
    Hope to get some help.

    Hey Jerry,
    I lost about 60 pounds low carbing and found that with distance or
    performance cycling I needed to do some carbing up in order to perform


    well.

    Quoted message said:


    My guiding light in this arena is usually to be found on the weightlifting
    newsgroup (although I haven't been there in at least a year, so who knows
    where he is now). This article is likely to be helpful, but its geared
    towards weight training - read it anyway, the concepts are the same.


    http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

    Quoted message said:


    If I were going to train for a short race like a 10K, I would be doing
    intervals. In my experience there is no faster way to improve your cardio
    fitness than intervals.

    If you were 60 pounds overweight, you should not be doing any running or
    cycling at all. You should be in a hospital getting a stomach by-pass.
    Frankly, I do not know how anyone in this world gets to be 60 pounds
    overweight! You must have to really work at it. How are you able to do it
    other than eating like a pig and never moving a muscle. We here on ARBR need
    to know this so we can gauge your level of intelligence.

    And please, do not insult us with your prescriptions for physical training.

    --
    Ye Old Insult Maven

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  10. "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Child" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "gcdoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,
    I entered the local senior Olympics and did my first training ride


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    morning. I ran out of steam after 3 miles as I was pushing it pretty
    hard.I'm entered in the 10K race on Aug. 7, so need to energize quick.
    Problem is: I've been on a low carb diet for the last 14 months. I


    lost

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    70 lbs during the first 10 months and am just trying to hold the


    weight

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have now.
    I have been eating about 85 carb grams a day but today proved I was
    doing something wrong.
    Do some of you that do a little racing have any advice on what can
    energize a 70 year old guy for about 30 minutes? I don't want to start
    gaining weight again so a real high carb diet is out of the question.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    did try an energy candy bar but got no help.
    I am in fair shape as I ride my Tour Easy about 150 miles a week and


    do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    another 30 or so on a mtn bike.
    It's the fast push that drains me so I need to build up a reserve of
    energy by race day.
    I do have a wager on myself with an old friend that's just 67 years


    old

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    riding a road bike.
    Hope to get some help.

    Hey Jerry,
    I lost about 60 pounds low carbing and found that with distance or
    performance cycling I needed to do some carbing up in order to perform


    well.

    Quoted message said:


    My guiding light in this arena is usually to be found on the


    weightlifting

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    newsgroup (although I haven't been there in at least a year, so who


    knows

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    where he is now). This article is likely to be helpful, but its geared
    towards weight training - read it anyway, the concepts are the same.



    http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    If I were going to train for a short race like a 10K, I would be doing
    intervals. In my experience there is no faster way to improve your


    cardio

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fitness than intervals.

    If you were 60 pounds overweight, you should not be doing any running or
    cycling at all. You should be in a hospital getting a stomach by-pass.
    Frankly, I do not know how anyone in this world gets to be 60 pounds
    overweight! You must have to really work at it. How are you able to do it
    other than eating like a pig and never moving a muscle. We here on ARBR


    need

    Quoted message said:

    to know this so we can gauge your level of intelligence.

    How would an overweight person lose weight if not to exercise? Silly,
    troll, please try again!

    Quoted message said:

    And please, do not insult us with your prescriptions for physical


    training.

    Since I went from 60 pounds overweight, to teaching fitness classes, who
    better?

  11. "Child" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hey Jerry,
    I lost about 60 pounds low carbing and found that with distance or
    performance cycling I needed to do some carbing up in order to perform


    well.

    Quoted message said:


    My guiding light in this arena is usually to be found on the


    weightlifting

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    newsgroup (although I haven't been there in at least a year, so who


    knows

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    where he is now). This article is likely to be helpful, but its


    geared

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    towards weight training - read it anyway, the concepts are the same.




    http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    If I were going to train for a short race like a 10K, I would be doing
    intervals. In my experience there is no faster way to improve your


    cardio

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fitness than intervals.

    Edward Dolan said:
    Quoted message said:


    If you were 60 pounds overweight, you should not be doing any running or
    cycling at all. You should be in a hospital getting a stomach by-pass.
    Frankly, I do not know how anyone in this world gets to be 60 pounds
    overweight! You must have to really work at it. How are you able to do


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other than eating like a pig and never moving a muscle. We here on ARBR


    need

    Quoted message said:

    to know this so we can gauge your level of intelligence.

    How would an overweight person lose weight if not to exercise? Silly,
    troll, please try again!

    So then, you did eat like a pig and never moved a muscle in order to gain
    those extra 60 pounds? But we here on ARBR would like to know your mind set
    while you were doing this.

    The fact is that all Americans are at least about 20 pounds over weight. I
    think we must be the fattest people on earth. I think the reason for it is
    that food is plentiful and cheap and we have machines to do all our physical
    work for us.

    When I was a kid looking at TV there were no remotes and I was constantly
    jumping up and down changing the channels. Now that I have a remote the only
    thing that ever gets any exercise are my fingers. As is well known, you must
    exercise the large muscles of the body (like the leg muscles). Exercising
    the small muscles of the body (like the fingers) will do absolutely nothing
    for your weight and/or physical fitness. Thus spake Zarathustra!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And please, do not insult us with your prescriptions for physical


    training.

    Since I went from 60 pounds overweight, to teaching fitness classes, who
    better?

    Agreed!

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  12. "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    So then, you did eat like a pig and never moved a muscle in order to gain
    those extra 60 pounds? But we here on ARBR would like to know your mind


    set

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    while you were doing this.

    Ed I doubt you will be satisfied with this answer (nor do I really care) so
    this is not directed to you but to others who might be where I was then

    2 years ago I was 260 pounds and yes I ate like a pig and never moved a
    muscle for most of the previous decade, the mind set is simple in that it
    was much easier to do nothing than something. I sat on my ass at work and
    sat on my ass at home on the computer, do that long enough and you too will
    be up there (if you aren't already). I saw the extra weight and figured it
    was all part of the age process (I was 42 then) and that is just the way it
    went and the fact I didn't own a scale and therefore never realized (or
    really cared) just how bad off I was. I would walk the halls at work and be
    out of breath. Order a pizza and have it half devoured by the time I got
    home, burgers fries etc, its a lifestyle that was very easy to get into....

    While visiting my brother in Denver mid June 2002 I stopped by one of those
    GNC stores which had a scale where you inserted 50 cents and it gave you a
    slip of paper with your weight and what your optimum weight should be. The
    paper said I weighed 259 pounds and was 89 pounds overweight, this was what
    finally shocked me enough to do something about it. (I still have the
    paper...framed)

    Problem was I was too lazy to jog, tried rollerblades (couldn't figure out
    how to stop), walking was boring and I knew I'd never consistantly go to a
    health spa so biking was the only alternative. I'd tried that 5 years before
    and got a cheap mountain bike that lasted about 2 weeks however this time
    (in Denver) I noticed a guy riding a wierd looking bike (turned out to be a
    Vision R42) up the Rocky Mountains (yes THE Rocky Mountains) and it looked
    kinda neat and I figured my fat ass could handle that seat instead of a
    standard bike seat, went on the net and looked up recumbent bikes and liked
    what I saw with Vision the best (looked better than the others). Turned out
    the local shop had an R50 that I could afford but even then I had to think
    about it a while until I told myself if I didn't buy it I'd be dead in
    another 5 years at the rate I was going (My guess is if I hadn't purchased
    that I'd now easily be 300 pounds +)

    Ended up doing 2200 miles on the Vision and lost 50 pounds, bought the
    Optima Baron July 2003 and so far have lost another 30 and looking to lose
    another 10 or 15 (65-170). This year I've done 3 centuries (on the Baron)
    and just turned over 4,000 miles, this past weekend I rode 40 miles on
    Saturday and 35 miles Sunday at 20+ mph average (21.5 Sat and 20.5 Sun), I
    ride between 25 and 30 miles almost every day and blow the doors off of 99%
    of the bikers in my area (its my current kick), my goal now is to ride from
    Dallas Tx to Hot Springs Arkansas and back (700+ miles) and I have all the
    confidence in the world I can and will be able to do it, these days I love
    it when I get home with sore legs and I feel guilty if a good day goes by
    without my riding, buying the bike transformed more than just my body

    This message contained run-on sentences, improper punctuation, no periods at
    the end and way too many commas but to be honest I could care less nor do I
    really care what your response will be however I also hope you never get to
    where I was back then, its not a fun place to be although its been damn fun
    getting away

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    "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    So then, you did eat like a pig and never moved a muscle in order to


    gain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    those extra 60 pounds? But we here on ARBR would like to know your mind


    set

    Quoted message said:

    while you were doing this.

    Ed I doubt you will be satisfied with this answer (nor do I really care)


    so

    Quoted message said:

    this is not directed to you but to others who might be where I was then

    2 years ago I was 260 pounds and yes I ate like a pig and never moved a
    muscle for most of the previous decade, the mind set is simple in that it
    was much easier to do nothing than something. I sat on my ass at work and
    sat on my ass at home on the computer, do that long enough and you too


    will

    Quoted message said:

    be up there (if you aren't already). I saw the extra weight and figured it
    was all part of the age process (I was 42 then) and that is just the way


    it

    Quoted message said:

    went and the fact I didn't own a scale and therefore never realized (or
    really cared) just how bad off I was. I would walk the halls at work and


    be

    Quoted message said:

    out of breath. Order a pizza and have it half devoured by the time I got
    home, burgers fries etc, its a lifestyle that was very easy to get


    into....

    Quoted message said:


    While visiting my brother in Denver mid June 2002 I stopped by one of


    those

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    GNC stores which had a scale where you inserted 50 cents and it gave you a
    slip of paper with your weight and what your optimum weight should be. The
    paper said I weighed 259 pounds and was 89 pounds overweight, this was


    what

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    finally shocked me enough to do something about it. (I still have the
    paper...framed)

    Problem was I was too lazy to jog, tried rollerblades (couldn't figure out
    how to stop), walking was boring and I knew I'd never consistantly go to a
    health spa so biking was the only alternative. I'd tried that 5 years


    before

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    and got a cheap mountain bike that lasted about 2 weeks however this time
    (in Denver) I noticed a guy riding a wierd looking bike (turned out to be


    a

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    Vision R42) up the Rocky Mountains (yes THE Rocky Mountains) and it looked
    kinda neat and I figured my fat ass could handle that seat instead of a
    standard bike seat, went on the net and looked up recumbent bikes and


    liked

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    what I saw with Vision the best (looked better than the others). Turned


    out

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    the local shop had an R50 that I could afford but even then I had to think
    about it a while until I told myself if I didn't buy it I'd be dead in
    another 5 years at the rate I was going (My guess is if I hadn't purchased
    that I'd now easily be 300 pounds +)

    Ended up doing 2200 miles on the Vision and lost 50 pounds, bought the
    Optima Baron July 2003 and so far have lost another 30 and looking to lose
    another 10 or 15 (65-170). This year I've done 3 centuries (on the Baron)
    and just turned over 4,000 miles, this past weekend I rode 40 miles on
    Saturday and 35 miles Sunday at 20+ mph average (21.5 Sat and 20.5 Sun), I
    ride between 25 and 30 miles almost every day and blow the doors off of


    99%

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    of the bikers in my area (its my current kick), my goal now is to ride


    from

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    Dallas Tx to Hot Springs Arkansas and back (700+ miles) and I have all the
    confidence in the world I can and will be able to do it, these days I love
    it when I get home with sore legs and I feel guilty if a good day goes by
    without my riding, buying the bike transformed more than just my body

    This message contained run-on sentences, improper punctuation, no periods


    at

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    the end and way too many commas but to be honest I could care less nor do


    I

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    really care what your response will be however I also hope you never get


    to

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    where I was back then, its not a fun place to be although its been damn


    fun

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    getting away

    Mark, what you have just written is the best damn post that is on-topic that
    I have ever read here! And I know it rings of a truth that bedevils all of
    us. You are right. I have got to get off my dead ass and get moving again. I
    am starting to worry about congestive heart failure from lack of activity
    and I too have gained weight for the first time in my life. I simply can't
    believe it. I was a string bean all of my life and now I am starting to look
    like a lima bean.

    I see you are a night owl like I am. Maybe if we normalize our sleep that
    might help us too. Sometimes I am up all night and I am asleep all day. This
    interferes enormously with getting out on the bike.

    Many thanks for the great post.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  14. "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Child" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Hey Jerry,
    > I lost about 60 pounds low carbing and found that with distance or
    > performance cycling I needed to do some carbing up in order to


    perform

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    well.
    >
    > My guiding light in this arena is usually to be found on the


    weightlifting

    Quoted message said:

    > newsgroup (although I haven't been there in at least a year, so who


    knows

    Quoted message said:

    > where he is now). This article is likely to be helpful, but its


    geared

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > towards weight training - read it anyway, the concepts are the same.
    >




    http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > If I were going to train for a short race like a 10K, I would be


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > intervals. In my experience there is no faster way to improve your


    cardio

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    > fitness than intervals.

    Edward Dolan said:
    Quoted message said:


    If you were 60 pounds overweight, you should not be doing any running


    or

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cycling at all. You should be in a hospital getting a stomach by-pass.
    Frankly, I do not know how anyone in this world gets to be 60 pounds
    overweight! You must have to really work at it. How are you able to do


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other than eating like a pig and never moving a muscle. We here on


    ARBR

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    need

    Quoted message said:

    to know this so we can gauge your level of intelligence.

    How would an overweight person lose weight if not to exercise? Silly,
    troll, please try again!

    So then, you did eat like a pig and never moved a muscle in order to gain
    those extra 60 pounds? But we here on ARBR would like to know your mind


    set

    Quoted message said:

    while you were doing this.

    My struggle with my weight has been a lifelong project.
    I lost a great deal of weight by starving (literally- eating disorder) and
    working out excessively in 1996. I managed to overcome the starving thing
    and keep my weight relatively normal until quitting smoking in 1998, when I
    decided that I would do whatever I needed to do to keep smoke free, which
    meant eating lots of sugary things. Sugary things are the death of me. I
    gained 60 pounds in a YEAR. I was active the entire time, and my starting
    weight was probably lower than my normal weight but still.... 2 years after
    quitting smoking I gave up my trigger foods - pasta, rice and sugar and
    starting lifting weights. The weight came off slowly but its mostly still
    off, but I do fluctuate up and down about 15 pounds, depending on my
    committment to eating well. The committment to activity and exercise will be
    forever- I feel so much better beings stronger and more active.

    Quoted message said:

    The fact is that all Americans are at least about 20 pounds over weight. I
    think we must be the fattest people on earth. I think the reason for it is
    that food is plentiful and cheap and we have machines to do all our


    physical

    Quoted message said:

    work for us.

    We are pretty overweight, yes. I personally think its because we eat all
    kinds of processed [censored] instead of real food, and because we fill empty
    holes in our lives by filling our mouths.

    Quoted message said:

    When I was a kid looking at TV there were no remotes and I was constantly
    jumping up and down changing the channels. Now that I have a remote the


    only

    Quoted message said:

    thing that ever gets any exercise are my fingers. As is well known, you


    must

    Quoted message said:

    exercise the large muscles of the body (like the leg muscles). Exercising
    the small muscles of the body (like the fingers) will do absolutely


    nothing

    Quoted message said:

    for your weight and/or physical fitness. Thus spake Zarathustra!

    LOL! My weight training philosophy is similar - why work out your hamstrings
    on a nautilus machine when you can work out the glutes, hams and quads in
    one BIG move?

  15. Child said:

    ...
    I lost about 60 pounds...

    Landscape to portrait. 😉 [Ducks in case someone remembers my smart ass
    comment from about 4 years ago.]

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

  16. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Child said:

    ...
    I lost about 60 pounds...

    Landscape to portrait. 😉 [Ducks in case someone remembers my smart ass
    comment from about 4 years ago.]

    LOL, I remember. Its Cletus who forgets!

  17. "Child" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Child" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    > > Hey Jerry,
    > > I lost about 60 pounds low carbing and found that with distance or
    > > performance cycling I needed to do some carbing up in order to


    perform

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > well.
    > >
    > > My guiding light in this arena is usually to be found on the
    weightlifting
    > > newsgroup (although I haven't been there in at least a year, so


    who

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    knows
    > > where he is now). This article is likely to be helpful, but its


    geared

    Quoted message said:

    > > towards weight training - read it anyway, the concepts are the


    same.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >
    >




    http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >
    > > If I were going to train for a short race like a 10K, I would be


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > intervals. In my experience there is no faster way to improve


    your

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cardio
    > > fitness than intervals.

    Edward Dolan said:

    >
    > If you were 60 pounds overweight, you should not be doing any


    running

    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > cycling at all. You should be in a hospital getting a stomach


    by-pass.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Frankly, I do not know how anyone in this world gets to be 60 pounds
    > overweight! You must have to really work at it. How are you able to


    do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it

    Quoted message said:

    > other than eating like a pig and never moving a muscle. We here on


    ARBR

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    need
    > to know this so we can gauge your level of intelligence.

    How would an overweight person lose weight if not to exercise? Silly,
    troll, please try again!

    So then, you did eat like a pig and never moved a muscle in order to


    gain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    those extra 60 pounds? But we here on ARBR would like to know your mind


    set

    Quoted message said:

    while you were doing this.

    My struggle with my weight has been a lifelong project.
    I lost a great deal of weight by starving (literally- eating disorder) and
    working out excessively in 1996. I managed to overcome the starving thing
    and keep my weight relatively normal until quitting smoking in 1998, when


    I

    Quoted message said:

    decided that I would do whatever I needed to do to keep smoke free, which
    meant eating lots of sugary things. Sugary things are the death of me. I
    gained 60 pounds in a YEAR. I was active the entire time, and my starting
    weight was probably lower than my normal weight but still.... 2 years


    after

    Quoted message said:

    quitting smoking I gave up my trigger foods - pasta, rice and sugar and
    starting lifting weights. The weight came off slowly but its mostly


    still

    Quoted message said:

    off, but I do fluctuate up and down about 15 pounds, depending on my
    committment to eating well. The committment to activity and exercise will


    be

    Quoted message said:

    forever- I feel so much better beings stronger and more active.

    OK Beth! You win! I really do not like to make fun of fat people because it
    is something that can very easily befall any of us. I will say that once you
    get beyond middle age, it is just about impossible to lose any weight.

    There was a guy out in the ally standing against a dumpster this afternoon.
    His belly was almost touching the ground. I thought at first he was looking
    for something in the dumpster. As I approached him to ask if there was
    anything wrong, all I could hear was really heavy breathing. No, everything
    was all right. He was just stopping to catch his breath.

    That man was dying right in front of me. He was hardly even middle age. I
    got very depressed about this. I see that obesity has now become a disease -
    which it clearly is. I do not think there is anything more difficult than to
    lose weight. The best thing is never to put it on in the first place. But
    too late we get wise.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The fact is that all Americans are at least about 20 pounds over weight.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    think we must be the fattest people on earth. I think the reason for it


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that food is plentiful and cheap and we have machines to do all our


    physical

    Quoted message said:

    work for us.

    We are pretty overweight, yes. I personally think its because we eat all
    kinds of processed [censored] instead of real food, and because we fill empty
    holes in our lives by filling our mouths.

    Quoted message said:

    When I was a kid looking at TV there were no remotes and I was


    constantly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    jumping up and down changing the channels. Now that I have a remote the


    only

    Quoted message said:

    thing that ever gets any exercise are my fingers. As is well known, you


    must

    Quoted message said:

    exercise the large muscles of the body (like the leg muscles).


    Exercising

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the small muscles of the body (like the fingers) will do absolutely


    nothing

    Quoted message said:

    for your weight and/or physical fitness. Thus spake Zarathustra!

    LOL! My weight training philosophy is similar - why work out your


    hamstrings

    Quoted message said:

    on a nautilus machine when you can work out the glutes, hams and quads in
    one BIG move?

    Cycling is not a bad activity for losing weight provide you keep at if for
    very long periods of time. I think walking might actually be better for you
    overall though. The younger guys here are into running for a half hour or
    so. They do that because they do not have much free time and they want to
    get it over fast. I think you have to do at least about 2 hours of cycling
    pushing yourself at a moderate level in order to derive any benefit from it.
    One hour is just not enough.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  18. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Child said:

    ...
    I lost about 60 pounds...

    Landscape to portrait. 😉 [Ducks in case someone remembers my smart ass
    comment from about 4 years ago.]

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

    Good Grief Tom! You have been on this newsgroup 4 years? You must be one of
    the oldest of the old-timers. Does Beth go back that far too?

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  19. "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Child" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Child" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [...]
    > > > Hey Jerry,
    > > > I lost about 60 pounds low carbing and found that with distance


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > performance cycling I needed to do some carbing up in order to


    perform

    Quoted message said:

    > > well.
    > > >
    > > > My guiding light in this arena is usually to be found on the
    > weightlifting
    > > > newsgroup (although I haven't been there in at least a year, so


    who

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > knows
    > > > where he is now). This article is likely to be helpful, but its
    geared
    > > > towards weight training - read it anyway, the concepts are the


    same.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > >
    > >
    >




    http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > >
    > > > If I were going to train for a short race like a 10K, I would be


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    > > > intervals. In my experience there is no faster way to improve


    your

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > cardio
    > > > fitness than intervals.

    Edward Dolan wrote:
    > >
    > > If you were 60 pounds overweight, you should not be doing any


    running

    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:

    > > cycling at all. You should be in a hospital getting a stomach


    by-pass.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Frankly, I do not know how anyone in this world gets to be 60


    pounds

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > overweight! You must have to really work at it. How are you able


    to

    Quoted message said:

    do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it
    > > other than eating like a pig and never moving a muscle. We here on


    ARBR

    Quoted message said:

    > need
    > > to know this so we can gauge your level of intelligence.
    >
    > How would an overweight person lose weight if not to exercise?


    Silly,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > troll, please try again!

    So then, you did eat like a pig and never moved a muscle in order to


    gain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    those extra 60 pounds? But we here on ARBR would like to know your


    mind

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    set

    Quoted message said:

    while you were doing this.

    My struggle with my weight has been a lifelong project.
    I lost a great deal of weight by starving (literally- eating disorder)


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    working out excessively in 1996. I managed to overcome the starving


    thing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and keep my weight relatively normal until quitting smoking in 1998,


    when

    Quoted message said:

    I

    Quoted message said:

    decided that I would do whatever I needed to do to keep smoke free,


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    meant eating lots of sugary things. Sugary things are the death of me.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    gained 60 pounds in a YEAR. I was active the entire time, and my


    starting

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weight was probably lower than my normal weight but still.... 2 years


    after

    Quoted message said:

    quitting smoking I gave up my trigger foods - pasta, rice and sugar and
    starting lifting weights. The weight came off slowly but its mostly


    still

    Quoted message said:

    off, but I do fluctuate up and down about 15 pounds, depending on my
    committment to eating well. The committment to activity and exercise


    will

    Quoted message said:

    be

    Quoted message said:

    forever- I feel so much better beings stronger and more active.

    OK Beth! You win! I really do not like to make fun of fat people because


    it

    Quoted message said:

    is something that can very easily befall any of us. I will say that once


    you

    Quoted message said:

    get beyond middle age, it is just about impossible to lose any weight.

    I win what? Are we having a contest? You asked me, rather rudely, how I
    got fat in the first place. I shared my story. What's there to "win"?

    Quoted message said:

    There was a guy out in the ally standing against a dumpster this


    afternoon.

    Quoted message said:

    His belly was almost touching the ground. I thought at first he was


    looking

    Quoted message said:

    for something in the dumpster. As I approached him to ask if there was
    anything wrong, all I could hear was really heavy breathing. No,


    everything

    Quoted message said:

    was all right. He was just stopping to catch his breath.

    That man was dying right in front of me. He was hardly even middle age. I
    got very depressed about this. I see that obesity has now become a


    disease -

    Quoted message said:

    which it clearly is. I do not think there is anything more difficult than


    to

    Quoted message said:

    lose weight. The best thing is never to put it on in the first place. But
    too late we get wise.

    In my opinion, which is only slightly educated on this subject, that those
    people who are extremely overweight have something seriously wrong with
    them. I have a friend who got gastric bypass surgery at 26 years old. It
    was hard for me to accept that getting the surgery was healthier for her
    than being 275 pounds. Now that I see the life she has thinner I know that
    even if the surgery shortens her life in some way it was worth it. She
    lives a much happier life now.

    Quoted message said:

    Cycling is not a bad activity for losing weight provide you keep at if for
    very long periods of time. I think walking might actually be better for


    you

    Quoted message said:

    overall though. The younger guys here are into running for a half hour or
    so. They do that because they do not have much free time and they want to
    get it over fast. I think you have to do at least about 2 hours of cycling
    pushing yourself at a moderate level in order to derive any benefit from


    it.

    Quoted message said:

    One hour is just not enough.

    Running is really hard on the joints, and for someone who is substantially
    overweight, its really pretty uncomfortable. Imagine running with a fifty
    pound bag of potatoes tied to your torso. Cycling is great because its not
    high impact. An hour is enough, if you are willing to actively train - but
    I prefer to ride for kicks. I push it moderately and save my intervals for
    the gym. That way if I fall over there are trained fitness professionals to
    help pick me up off the floor.

    Personally, walking is the biggest waste of my personal exercise time - its
    better than not moving at all, but I don't suscribe to the idea that you
    burn "more fat" if you walk, than if you really get your heart rate up.
    Certainly, you burn a higher PERCENTAGE of calories from fat, but the
    overall caloric burn is so much greater by truly getting that heart rate up
    that its negated.

  20. "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Child said:

    ...
    I lost about 60 pounds...

    Landscape to portrait. 😉 [Ducks in case someone remembers my smart ass
    comment from about 4 years ago.]

    --
    Tom Sherman - Quad City Area

    Good Grief Tom! You have been on this newsgroup 4 years? You must be one


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the oldest of the old-timers. Does Beth go back that far too?

    I go back to about '99 i think.

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