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OK Beth! You win! I really do not like to make fun of fat people because

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is something that can very easily befall any of us. I will say that once

you

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get beyond middle age, it is just about impossible to lose any weight.

I win what? Are we having a contest? You asked me, rather rudely, how I
got fat in the first place. I shared my story. What's there to "win"?

Read the entire paragraph before you leap. I believe I am as clear as a
bell.

As for the rudeness, others on this group seem to look upon you as some kind
of super athlete. You and I both know better, don't we? Anyone who was ever
overweight like you were will not ever be a super athlete. It is necessary
to hit most on this group over the head with a 2 x 4 just to get their
attention.

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There was a guy out in the ally standing against a dumpster this

afternoon.

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His belly was almost touching the ground. I thought at first he was

looking

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for something in the dumpster. As I approached him to ask if there was
anything wrong, all I could hear was really heavy breathing. No,

everything

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was all right. He was just stopping to catch his breath.

That man was dying right in front of me. He was hardly even middle age.

I

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got very depressed about this. I see that obesity has now become a

disease -

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which it clearly is. I do not think there is anything more difficult

than

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to

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lose weight. The best thing is never to put it on in the first place.

But

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too late we get wise.

In my opinion, which is only slightly educated on this subject, that those
people who are extremely overweight have something seriously wrong with
them. I have a friend who got gastric bypass surgery at 26 years old. It
was hard for me to accept that getting the surgery was healthier for her
than being 275 pounds. Now that I see the life she has thinner I know

that

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even if the surgery shortens her life in some way it was worth it. She
lives a much happier life now.

Really fat people do not have any life at all. But surgery is only for those
who have no other options.

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Cycling is not a bad activity for losing weight provide you keep at if

for

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very long periods of time. I think walking might actually be better for

you

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overall though. The younger guys here are into running for a half hour

or

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so. They do that because they do not have much free time and they want

to

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get it over fast. I think you have to do at least about 2 hours of

cycling

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pushing yourself at a moderate level in order to derive any benefit from

it.

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One hour is just not enough.

Running is really hard on the joints, and for someone who is substantially
overweight, its really pretty uncomfortable. Imagine running with a fifty
pound bag of potatoes tied to your torso. Cycling is great because its

not

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high impact. An hour is enough, if you are willing to actively train -

but

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I prefer to ride for kicks. I push it moderately and save my intervals for
the gym. That way if I fall over there are trained fitness professionals

to

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help pick me up off the floor.

Personally, walking is the biggest waste of my personal exercise time -

its

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better than not moving at all, but I don't suscribe to the idea that you
burn "more fat" if you walk, than if you really get your heart rate up.
Certainly, you burn a higher PERCENTAGE of calories from fat, but the
overall caloric burn is so much greater by truly getting that heart rate

up

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that its negated.

The advantage of walking over all other forms of activity (exercise - I hate
that word) is that is what our evolution has designed us to do. Birds fly,
fishes swim - and we walk. Unfortunately, to get any benefit from it you
have to do an enormous amount of walking which takes an enormous amount of
time. But that is what our evolution has designed us to be doing.

By the way, running is not the same as walking and I do agree with you that
running can be destructive in the extreme. I think we can run short
distances (sprinting) but we are not designed for long distance running
(marathons). The very first marathon runner (ancient Greece) died at the end
of his run.

I have also read that cycling slow and long will burn fat better than
cycling fast and short. Apparently, when you are cycling fast all you are
burning are carbohydrates, but when you cycling more slowly you began to
burn the fat.

The bottom line though is that most people do not have time for anything
much anymore. It always amazes me that with all the time saving gadgets we
have invented for ourselves over the past couple of generations, we seem to
have even less time than our did our ancestors.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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OK Beth! You win! I really do not like to make fun of fat people

because

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it

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is something that can very easily befall any of us. I will say that

once

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you

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get beyond middle age, it is just about impossible to lose any weight.

I win what? Are we having a contest? You asked me, rather rudely, how

I

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got fat in the first place. I shared my story. What's there to "win"?

Read the entire paragraph before you leap. I believe I am as clear as a
bell.

As for the rudeness, others on this group seem to look upon you as some

kind

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of super athlete. You and I both know better, don't we? Anyone who was

ever

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overweight like you were will not ever be a super athlete. It is necessary
to hit most on this group over the head with a 2 x 4 just to get their
attention.

ROFLMAO! No one on this newsgroup views me as a super athelete! I have no
idea where you got that idea. There are people on here who ride back to
back centuries and commute to work on their bikes on Monday and they aren't
me. We have riders who are amazingly fast... I am not one of them!

I do however have excellent advice for those embarking on a journey of
fitness, having been there and done that several times. One of the
problems I have with the fitness industry is that the people who are
teaching others how to "get fit" went into that field because they are "good
at it" - they are naturally a healthy sized and fit person. I remember when
I first moved to Alaska and no one ever had known I had a weight problem I
was dating the director of a fitness center. Our first argument ensued when
he started talking about how if fat people would just "move around a little
instead of eating oreos all day". Needless to say I corrected his way of
thinking quickly. He was a person who truly was slim and fit with very
little effort - and it occured to me that unless he had been overweight he
couldn't understand that for some people the effort to be slim and fit was a
huge undertaking, and not just a no-brainer. I decided to study to be
become a fitness trainer and became certified (that certification has
lapsed) so that I could help people like me - for whom losing weight isn't
just a matter of cutting out oreos and getting on the stair stepper three
times a week.

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There was a guy out in the ally standing against a dumpster this

afternoon.

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His belly was almost touching the ground. I thought at first he was

looking

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for something in the dumpster. As I approached him to ask if there was
anything wrong, all I could hear was really heavy breathing. No,

everything

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was all right. He was just stopping to catch his breath.

That man was dying right in front of me. He was hardly even middle

age.

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I

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got very depressed about this. I see that obesity has now become a

disease -

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which it clearly is. I do not think there is anything more difficult

than

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to

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lose weight. The best thing is never to put it on in the first place.

But

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too late we get wise.

In my opinion, which is only slightly educated on this subject, that

those

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people who are extremely overweight have something seriously wrong with
them. I have a friend who got gastric bypass surgery at 26 years old.

It

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was hard for me to accept that getting the surgery was healthier for her
than being 275 pounds. Now that I see the life she has thinner I know

that

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even if the surgery shortens her life in some way it was worth it. She
lives a much happier life now.

Really fat people do not have any life at all. But surgery is only for

those

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who have no other options.

I think perhaps you are like my ex-boyfriend the fitness trainer.

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Cycling is not a bad activity for losing weight provide you keep at if

for

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very long periods of time. I think walking might actually be better

for

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you

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overall though. The younger guys here are into running for a half hour

or

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so. They do that because they do not have much free time and they want

to

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get it over fast. I think you have to do at least about 2 hours of

cycling

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pushing yourself at a moderate level in order to derive any benefit

from

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it.

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One hour is just not enough.

Running is really hard on the joints, and for someone who is

substantially

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overweight, its really pretty uncomfortable. Imagine running with a

fifty

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pound bag of potatoes tied to your torso. Cycling is great because its

not

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high impact. An hour is enough, if you are willing to actively train -

but

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I prefer to ride for kicks. I push it moderately and save my intervals

for

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the gym. That way if I fall over there are trained fitness

professionals

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to

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help pick me up off the floor.

Personally, walking is the biggest waste of my personal exercise time -

its

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better than not moving at all, but I don't suscribe to the idea that you
burn "more fat" if you walk, than if you really get your heart rate up.
Certainly, you burn a higher PERCENTAGE of calories from fat, but the
overall caloric burn is so much greater by truly getting that heart rate

up

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that its negated.

The advantage of walking over all other forms of activity (exercise - I

hate

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that word) is that is what our evolution has designed us to do. Birds fly,
fishes swim - and we walk. Unfortunately, to get any benefit from it you
have to do an enormous amount of walking which takes an enormous amount of
time. But that is what our evolution has designed us to be doing.

I have a friend who has lost 38 pounds over the last year just by walking
and watching her intake of calories. Thats great! I still like the
challenge of interval training for my cardio work. Can't do intervals
walking!

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By the way, running is not the same as walking and I do agree with you

that

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running can be destructive in the extreme. I think we can run short
distances (sprinting) but we are not designed for long distance running
(marathons). The very first marathon runner (ancient Greece) died at the

end

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of his run.

I didn't know that and will share with my marathon running friends.

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I have also read that cycling slow and long will burn fat better than
cycling fast and short. Apparently, when you are cycling fast all you are
burning are carbohydrates, but when you cycling more slowly you began to
burn the fat.

Again, this is the issue I explained earlier - you burn a higher PERCENTAGE
of fat when your heart rate is lower, but the calorie burn rate is so much
higher when you kick it into gear that the total amount of fat burned is
much higher when you work at a higher heart rate.

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As for the rudeness, others on this group seem to look upon you as some

kind

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of super athlete. You and I both know better, don't we? Anyone who was

ever

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overweight like you were will not ever be a super athlete. It is

necessary

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to hit most on this group over the head with a 2 x 4 just to get their
attention.

ROFLMAO! No one on this newsgroup views me as a super athelete! I have no
idea where you got that idea. There are people on here who ride back to
back centuries and commute to work on their bikes on Monday and they

aren't

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me. We have riders who are amazingly fast... I am not one of them!

I do however have excellent advice for those embarking on a journey of
fitness, having been there and done that several times. One of the
problems I have with the fitness industry is that the people who are
teaching others how to "get fit" went into that field because they are

"good

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at it" - they are naturally a healthy sized and fit person. I remember

when

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I first moved to Alaska and no one ever had known I had a weight problem I
was dating the director of a fitness center. Our first argument ensued

when

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he started talking about how if fat people would just "move around a

little

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instead of eating oreos all day". Needless to say I corrected his way of
thinking quickly. He was a person who truly was slim and fit with very
little effort - and it occured to me that unless he had been overweight he
couldn't understand that for some people the effort to be slim and fit was

a

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huge undertaking, and not just a no-brainer. I decided to study to be
become a fitness trainer and became certified (that certification has
lapsed) so that I could help people like me - for whom losing weight isn't
just a matter of cutting out oreos and getting on the stair stepper three
times a week.

Beth, I have already stated that losing weight is the most difficult thing
in the world. I have nothing but sympathy for those who are over weight.

Here is a story you might enjoy. I was always a very skinny fellow. When I
was in school I wanted to gain weight in the worst sort of way. I pigged out
on milk shakes and everything else I could think of to put on some weight.
No way could I even gain a single ounce.

Finally, by age 40 I could see that I could finally put on some weight. But
the full catastrophe did not begin until I turned age 60. Now putting on
weight is a no-brainer. It is the easiest thing in the world. But taking it
off is the hardest thing in the world.

The moral of this little story is to be careful what you wish for.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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By the way, running is not the same as walking and I do agree with you

that

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running can be destructive in the extreme. I think we can run short
distances (sprinting) but we are not designed for long distance running
(marathons). The very first marathon runner (ancient Greece) died at the

end

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of his run.

I didn't know that and will share with my marathon running friends.

Here are maybe some things you didn't know about Marathon. I learned all
this in 8th grade history. As you can see from this, Marathon is a name that
rings down through Western history. It is really not about running at all,
but was about a great battle that was fought between the orient and
occident - kind of like what is going on in the world today.

The Marathon Story
The Battle that Changed Human History

By Paul Ostapuk

Setting the Stage

The first two decades of the fifth century B.C. marked one of the great
turning points in world history. These were the years of the Persian and
Greek wars. The powerful Persian Empire in 546 B.C. extended from Asia to
Eygpt to what is now Turkey. This great empire built the first Suez Canal
which linked the Mediterranean Sea with the Red Sea.

Greece on the other hand, consisted of a scattering of independent
city-states, called poleis. These early city-states spawned the democratic
ideas that have persisted into modern times. Athens eventually became the
largest and most prosperous polis. Another Greek polis, Sparta, was not so
democratic. They kept their kings and maintained a conservative, regimented
society built around military training and the art of war.

The Persian/Greek War

The Persian Empire over the years expanded to the Mediterrean Sea. In the
process some Greek settlements were conquered. Ionia was one such settlement
.. After many years, they tried to revolt against the Persians but the
uprising was immediately squashed by the powerful Persian Army. By the year
490 B.C., the Persian Army was ready to expand their territory and move into
Europe. They landed a large force just outside of Athens on the plains of
Marathon and prepared for attack.

The Role of Phidippides

The Athens, vastly outnumbered, desperately needed the help of Sparta's
military base to help fend off the attack. Time was short, so the Athenian
generals send Phidippides (or Philippides) a professional runner to Sparta
to ask for help. The 140 mile course was very mountainous and rugged.
Phidippides ran the course in about 36 hours. Sparta agreed to help but said
they would not take the field until the moon was full due to religious laws.
This would leave the Athenians alone to fight the Persian Army. Phidippides
ran back to Athens (another 140 miles!) with the disappointing news.
Immediately, the small Athenian Army (including Phidippedes) marched to the
plains of Marathon to prepare for battle.

The Battle of Marathon

The Athenian Army was outnumbered 4 to 1 but they launched a suprise
offensive thrust which at the time appeared suicidal. But by day's end, 6400
Persian bodies lay dead on the field while only 192 Athenians had been
killed. The surviving Persians fled to sea and headed south to Athens where
they hoped to attack the city before the Greek Army could re-assemble there.

Phidippides was again called upon to run to Athens (26 miles away) to carry
the news of the victory and the warning about the approaching Persian ships.
Despite his fatigue after his recent run to Sparta and back and having
fought all morning in heavy armor, Phidippides rose to the challenge.
Pushing himself past normal limits of human endurance, the reached Athens in
perhaps 3 hours, deliverd his message and then died shortly thereafter from
exhaustion.

Sparta and the other Greek polies eventually came to the aid of Athens and
eventually they were able to turn back the Persian attempt to conquer
Greece.

Concluding Remarks and Beginning of Olympic Marathon Races

The Greek victory marked one of the decisive events of world history because
it kept an Eastern power (the persians) from conquering what is now Europe.
The victory gave the Greeks incredible confidence in themselves, their
government and their culture.

In the two centuries that followed, the Greek culture spread across much of
the known world. It made Europe possible and in affect won for civilization
the opportunity to develop its own ecomomic life.

Modern European-based nations such as the United States and Canada can trace
their growth straight back through an unbroken chain of Western historical
events back to the Victory at Marathon.

Centuries later, the modern Olympic Games introduced a "marathon" race of
(40,000 meters or 24.85 miles). The winner was Spiridon Louis, a Greek
postal worker from village of Marusi and veteran of several long military
marches , His time was 2 hours, 58 minutes, 50 seconds for the 40 kilometer
distance (average pace of 7:11 minutes per mile).

At the 1908 Olympic Games in London, the marathon distance was changed to 26
miles to cover the ground from Windsor Castleto White City stadium, with 385
yards added on so the race could finish in front of King Edward VII's royal
box. After 16 years of extremely heated discussion, this 26.2 mile distance
was established at the 1924 Olympics in Paris as the official marathon
distance.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Child wrote:

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> I lost about 60 pounds...

Landscape to portrait. 😉 [Ducks in case someone remembers my smart

ass

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comment from about 4 years ago.]

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Tom Sherman - Quad City Area

Good Grief Tom! You have been on this newsgroup 4 years? You must be one

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the oldest of the old-timers. Does Beth go back that far too?

I go back to about '99 i think.

I would be interested to know if there are any others who go back on this
newsgroup more than 4 years. That is an incredibly long time to stay on a
newsgroup it seems to me. I have been here almost 2 years now and feel I
have outworn any welcome I ever had. I am getting ready to move on to
greener pastures and I will not let the door hit me in the ass as I leave.

When it is time for me to say goodbye, it will be the longest goodbye in
Usenet history. I have everyone's name recorded in my black book with their
various characteristics and I will have a little something to say about all
of you.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Finally, by age 40 I could see that I could finally put on some weight.

But

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the full catastrophe did not begin until I turned age 60. Now putting on
weight is a no-brainer. It is the easiest thing in the world. But taking

it

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off is the hardest thing in the world.

I know a gentleman who like you, was a continual string-bean and now, in his
fifties, still cant' put on weight. He hates it.

I only wish I had his metabolism. But I suspect if I were man I would
prefer to be slightly overweight than underweight.

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I go back to about '99 i think.

I would be interested to know if there are any others who go back on this
newsgroup more than 4 years. That is an incredibly long time to stay on a
newsgroup it seems to me. I have been here almost 2 years now and feel I
have outworn any welcome I ever had. I am getting ready to move on to
greener pastures and I will not let the door hit me in the ass as I leave.

Thats probably why I haven't been here in a while. There is only so long I
can discuss the virtues of presta vs schrader.

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When it is time for me to say goodbye, it will be the longest goodbye in
Usenet history. I have everyone's name recorded in my black book with

their

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various characteristics and I will have a little something to say about

all

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of you.

ROFLMAO!! Do you imagine that folks really care what someone on usenet
thinks of them? Can we all give you an analysis of what we think of you at
that time as well?

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I go back to about '99 i think.

I would be interested to know if there are any others who go back on

this

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newsgroup more than 4 years. That is an incredibly long time to stay on

a

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newsgroup it seems to me. I have been here almost 2 years now and feel I
have outworn any welcome I ever had. I am getting ready to move on to
greener pastures and I will not let the door hit me in the ass as I

leave.

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Thats probably why I haven't been here in a while. There is only so long

I

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can discuss the virtues of presta vs schrader.

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When it is time for me to say goodbye, it will be the longest goodbye in
Usenet history. I have everyone's name recorded in my black book with

their

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various characteristics and I will have a little something to say about

all

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of you.

ROFLMAO!! Do you imagine that folks really care what someone on usenet
thinks of them? Can we all give you an analysis of what we think of you

at

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that time as well?

Nope! I only care what I think and I have already been fully informed on
innumerable occasions what others think of me. But they have not yet heard
what I think of them (calling names does not count - that is just fun and
games).

By the way, Usenet, as it is being played out here on ARBR, is really quite
a cozy little group. All we are doing is just passing emails back and forth
which others can get in on. No one here is anonymous - and I have never met
anyone in my life who didn't care what someone else might think of him.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

...
The bottom line though is that most people do not have time for anything
much anymore. It always amazes me that with all the time saving gadgets we
have invented for ourselves over the past couple of generations, we seem to
have even less time than our did our ancestors.

Real wages for all but top executives in the US have been falling for
the last three decades - see the connection between that and less free time?

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Child said:

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Running is really hard on the joints, and for someone who is substantially
overweight, its really pretty uncomfortable. Imagine running with a fifty
pound bag of potatoes tied to your torso....

That is why the dog scooter was invented.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Edward Dolan said:

Good Grief Tom! You have been on this newsgroup 4 years? You must be one of
the oldest of the old-timers. Does Beth go back that far too?

It will be 5 years in October.

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Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

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Nope! I only care what I think and I have already been fully informed on
innumerable occasions what others think of me. But they have not yet heard
what I think of them (calling names does not count - that is just fun and
games).

And they probably could give a flying [censored].

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By the way, Usenet, as it is being played out here on ARBR, is really

quite

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a cozy little group. All we are doing is just passing emails back and

forth

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which others can get in on. No one here is anonymous - and I have never

met

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anyone in my life who didn't care what someone else might think of him.

I certainly care professionally what people think of me, but I could care
less what you think of me.

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Child said:

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Running is really hard on the joints, and for someone who is

substantially

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overweight, its really pretty uncomfortable. Imagine running with a

fifty

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pound bag of potatoes tied to your torso....

That is why the dog scooter was invented.

LOL, my boys prefer a sled these days, but they scooter on occasion.

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By the way, it is one thing for men to use rough language, but women

really

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should not enter into this particular arena. You do not want us to think

you

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are a [censored] and a [censored] do you?

I think you might be a tad confused. A [censored] [censored] for money, a [censored] just
[censored] around and I just say [censored]. Nothing whorish or [censored] about it.
Crude and uncouth certainly. But its crude and uncouth when men do it as
well.

No, we men can get away with murder because that is the kind of slobs we
are. We are to the manner born. But for a woman to do it is many steps down
the ladder of evolution. You do not ever want to play at these kind of games
with men. You will lose every time because with you it is nothing but an
affectation whereas with us men it comes naturally. Trust me on this. You
are going to make a god-awful fool of yourself if you persist in your
nonsense.

The fact is that you are what you say. Language counts - whether it is
written or spoken. I am really surprised you do not know this. Did you skip
kindergarten?
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If you write professionally like you do to this newsgroup, I can already
tell you what others think of you. But it is never much fun to be judged

and

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found wanting. I don't blame you for being concerned about your standing
both professionally and on this newsgroup.

Certainly, my professional writing is different than usenet writing. Doh!

Prove it! Frankly, I doubt it. I don't think you know how to write well.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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By the way, it is one thing for men to use rough language, but women

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should not enter into this particular arena. You do not want us to

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[censored] around and I just say [censored]. Nothing whorish or [censored] about it.
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well.

No, we men can get away with murder because that is the kind of slobs we
are. We are to the manner born. But for a woman to do it is many steps

down

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the ladder of evolution. You do not ever want to play at these kind of

games

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with men. You will lose every time because with you it is nothing but an
affectation whereas with us men it comes naturally. Trust me on this. You
are going to make a god-awful fool of yourself if you persist in your
nonsense.

No, you are nothing more than a sexist, believing men are naturally coarse
and crude and women are sweetness and light. Neither generalization is true,
nor fair to either gender.

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The fact is that you are what you say. Language counts - whether it is
written or spoken. I am really surprised you do not know this. Did you

skip

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kindergarten?

You are what you say.

I am much more than a bunch of words. Actions speak louder, and all that
jazz.

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If you write professionally like you do to this newsgroup, I can

already

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tell you what others think of you. But it is never much fun to be

judged

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and

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found wanting. I don't blame you for being concerned about your

standing

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both professionally and on this newsgroup.

Certainly, my professional writing is different than usenet writing.

Doh!

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Prove it! Frankly, I doubt it. I don't think you know how to write well.

LOL, I don't need to prove anything to you, Eddie.

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> By the way, it is one thing for men to use rough language, but women
really
> should not enter into this particular arena. You do not want us to

think

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> are a [censored] and a [censored] do you?

I think you might be a tad confused. A [censored] [censored] for money, a [censored]

just

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[censored] around and I just say [censored]. Nothing whorish or [censored] about it.
Crude and uncouth certainly. But its crude and uncouth when men do it

as

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well.

No, we men can get away with murder because that is the kind of slobs we
are. We are to the manner born. But for a woman to do it is many steps

down

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the ladder of evolution. You do not ever want to play at these kind of

games

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with men. You will lose every time because with you it is nothing but an
affectation whereas with us men it comes naturally. Trust me on this.

You

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are going to make a god-awful fool of yourself if you persist in your
nonsense.

No, you are nothing more than a sexist, believing men are naturally coarse
and crude and women are sweetness and light. Neither generalization is

true,

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nor fair to either gender.

Obviously, you have not spent 60 years reading newspapers like I have.

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The fact is that you are what you say. Language counts - whether it is
written or spoken. I am really surprised you do not know this. Did you

skip

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kindergarten?

You are what you say.

I am much more than a bunch of words. Actions speak louder, and all that
jazz.

Not really! Man is THE creature of the word. No other animal has words.
Speaking and writing words is also an action. Your contempt for words marks
you as an ignoramus of the first rank.

Do you not recall what I said about the Jews being the people of the Book.
There is nothing in that Book except words. Without the Book, the Jews would
most likely not even exist today. They would have gone extinct long ago with
all those other ancient peoples.

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> If you write professionally like you do to this newsgroup, I can

already

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> tell you what others think of you. But it is never much fun to be

judged

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and
> found wanting. I don't blame you for being concerned about your

standing

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> both professionally and on this newsgroup.

Certainly, my professional writing is different than usenet writing.

Doh!

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Prove it! Frankly, I doubt it. I don't think you know how to write well.

LOL, I don't need to prove anything to you, Eddie.

You say you write differently professionally than you do on this newsgroup.
I say I do not believe you because I think you are incapable of it. Do you
really think I give a damn whether you prove it to me or not? But there are
many others reading these messages. You might want to consider where you
stand with them right about now.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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No, you are nothing more than a sexist, believing men are naturally

coarse

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and crude and women are sweetness and light. Neither generalization is

true,

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nor fair to either gender.

Obviously, you have not spent 60 years reading newspapers like I have.

only 25 years.

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Not really! Man is THE creature of the word. No other animal has words.
Speaking and writing words is also an action. Your contempt for words

marks

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you as an ignoramus of the first rank.

Do you not recall what I said about the Jews being the people of the Book.
There is nothing in that Book except words. Without the Book, the Jews

would

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most likely not even exist today. They would have gone extinct long ago

with

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all those other ancient peoples.

LOL, you don't understand jews at all. Its not the WORDS, its the IDEAS.
Being able to express ideas and debate ideas is key - whether you can write
"properly" isn't. Its all about verbal debate, not about the written word.
We jews love to argue. Thus, my love of debating you and others on usenet.
And I do so in a conversational manner - as if we were speaking. Again, its
part of my heritage.

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Prove it! Frankly, I doubt it. I don't think you know how to write

well.

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LOL, I don't need to prove anything to you, Eddie.

You say you write differently professionally than you do on this

newsgroup.

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I say I do not believe you because I think you are incapable of it. Do you
really think I give a damn whether you prove it to me or not? But there

are

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many others reading these messages. You might want to consider where you
stand with them right about now.

I am well respected in this newgroup - far better respected than you are.
Professionally, I write well, and am well respected by my peers for it. I
stand just fine, despite preferring to write newsgroup conversation like
real human interaction.

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I think you might be a tad confused. A [censored] [censored] for money, a [censored] just
[censored] around and I just say [censored]. Nothing whorish or [censored] about it.
Crude and uncouth certainly. But its crude and uncouth when men do it as
well....

I can only imagine what Mr. Ed's reaction to the {in)famous picture of
Beth and her two friends would be. 😉

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Edward Dolan said:

...
Do you not recall what I said about the Jews being the people of the Book.
There is nothing in that Book except words. Without the Book, the Jews would
most likely not even exist today. They would have gone extinct long ago with
all those other ancient peoples....

The "Book" is now (partially) available with illustrations in Lego [TM]. 😉
<http://www.thebricktestament.com/>

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

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Not really! Man is THE creature of the word. No other animal has words.
Speaking and writing words is also an action. Your contempt for words

marks

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you as an ignoramus of the first rank.

Do you not recall what I said about the Jews being the people of the

Book.

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There is nothing in that Book except words. Without the Book, the Jews

would

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most likely not even exist today. They would have gone extinct long ago

with

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all those other ancient peoples.

LOL, you don't understand jews at all. Its not the WORDS, its the IDEAS.
Being able to express ideas and debate ideas is key - whether you can

write

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"properly" isn't. Its all about verbal debate, not about the written

word.

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We jews love to argue. Thus, my love of debating you and others on

usenet.

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And I do so in a conversational manner - as if we were speaking. Again,

its

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part of my heritage.

Those ideas would not even exist had they not been written down in words and
then loving preserved by the Jews as their sacred text. Those peoples with
nothing but an oral tradition not only soon disappear from history, but they
are not even known except for their archeological artifacts. Of course words
represent ideas, but the words are inseparable from the ideas. It is not
even possible to think without words.

Conversation is not writing. They are two different things entirely. You are
writing on Usenet, you are not conversing.
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I am well respected in this newgroup - far better respected than you are.
Professionally, I write well, and am well respected by my peers for it. I
stand just fine, despite preferring to write newsgroup conversation like
real human interaction.

You know there is at least one person on this group who does not think much
of you because of your contempt for the written word. There are no doubt
many others here who do not think much of you for this reason also. There
are always costs exacted for defying convention. Those who do not know
better can be excused. Those who know better can never be excused.

I do not see any relationship between Usenet and real human interaction. We
are essentially writing letters to one another which the whole world can
read and get in on. It simply boggles my mind that you cannot realize this
and act accordingly (write better). I believe your family of scholars would
be ashamed of you if they knew you were carrying on in this disgraceful
manner (not writing better).

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota