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  1. "Richard Bullock" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The local paper in Wilmslow, Cheshire reported on a cycle track which
    was in planning - which would be a designated "local cycle route" on
    the Sustrans scheme. The planning permission was overturned because it
    was too dangerous - the reason? A set of 80 or so steps was to form an
    integral part of the cycle route where the cycle track came up against
    a 1:12 incline which rises a total of 23 metres.

    Brilliant! Do these people know what a bike is? Is it a cycle track
    specifically for trials riders?

  2. Iain Jones said:

    "Richard Bullock" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    The local paper in Wilmslow, Cheshire reported on a cycle track which
    was in planning - which would be a designated "local cycle route" on
    the Sustrans scheme. The planning permission was overturned because it
    was too dangerous - the reason? A set of 80 or so steps was to form an
    integral part of the cycle route where the cycle track came up against
    a 1:12 incline which rises a total of 23 metres.

    Brilliant! Do these people know what a bike is? Is it a cycle track
    specifically for trials riders?

    Prabably had a surplus of Cyclist Dismount signs they were hoping to use up.

    Tony

  3. Tony Raven said:

    Prabably had a surplus of Cyclist Dismount signs they were hoping to
    use up.

    Tee-hee!

    I have been using a short stretch of Sustrans path to avoid Nastiness. I'm
    going to have to stop usig it; it was marginal on the tourer but is bloody
    unpleasant on the 'bent. Why? Because Sustrans, in their infinite wisdom,
    have chosen to spread loose gravel over the tarmac surface. Somebody really
    out to point out to them that the "trans" part means "transport", which
    means that you can't assume balloon-tyred MTBs will be the only bikes.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain!

  4. Quoted message said:

    I have been using a short stretch of Sustrans path to avoid Nastiness.


    I'm

    Quoted message said:

    going to have to stop usig it; it was marginal on the tourer but is bloody
    unpleasant on the 'bent. Why? Because Sustrans, in their infinite


    wisdom,

    Quoted message said:

    have chosen to spread loose gravel over the tarmac surface. Somebody


    really

    Quoted message said:

    out to point out to them that the "trans" part means "transport", which
    means that you can't assume balloon-tyred MTBs will be the only bikes.

    I took an old MTB along to do short sections of the Trans-Pennine Trail -
    I've done the bit from Spike Island, Widnes to somewhere East of Stockport -
    and the quality varies enormously. The section along the former railway
    between Altrincham and Lymm is actually quite good (although has annoying
    gates where it meets a couple of minor roads) - and certain bits in
    Warrington are ok - the section past Fiddlers Ferry power station was almost
    impassable on foot let alone on a bike - it was so overgrown. The bit from
    the end of the end of the railway to the east of Stockport is generally
    quite [censored] - the surfacing is very poor - I certainly wouldn't recommend
    doing it on anything with smaller wheels than my MTB - and one particular
    section East of Stockport - I wouldn't recommend doing it on a bike at all -
    I nearly broke a wheel. I hope that bit has been properly surfaced now/ or
    an alternative route found - rather than just saying that large loose rocks
    are an adequate surface.

  5. Tony Raven said:

    Prabably had a surplus of Cyclist Dismount signs they were hoping to use up.

    William. I think they gave a job lot to British Waterways too - on a
    whim I rode home up the tow path (Regent's Canal, Hertford Union Canal,
    river Lea) yesterday and there were a profusion of signs forbidding the
    riding of bicycles under bridges.

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    http://www.bhpc.org.uk/
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  6. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have been using a short stretch of Sustrans path to avoid Nastiness. I'm
    going to have to stop usig it; it was marginal on the tourer but is bloody
    unpleasant on the 'bent. Why? Because Sustrans, in their infinite wisdom,
    have chosen to spread loose gravel over the tarmac surface. Somebody really
    out to point out to them that the "trans" part means "transport", which
    means that you can't assume balloon-tyred MTBs will be the only bikes.

    But that would involve them having some knowledge of what they were doing.
    Interested to see John Grimshaw in a letter to AtoB saying no-one in Sustrans
    "has any knowledge that trikes cannot be used on bridleways". So no one is
    Sustrans has heard of that fundamental piece of rights of way for cyclists
    legislation, The Countryside Act 1968, which only allows bicycles and not
    tricycles or unicycles on bridleways then.

    Tony

  7. Dave Larrington <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Tony Raven said:

    Prabably had a surplus of Cyclist Dismount signs they were hoping to
    use up.

    William. I think they gave a job lot to British Waterways too - on a
    whim I rode home up the tow path (Regent's Canal, Hertford Union
    Canal, river Lea) yesterday and there were a profusion of signs
    forbidding the riding of bicycles under bridges.

    Plenty of those up here too. I'll never understand why they build a
    cycleway and then put "Cyclists Dismount" signs every time it meets some
    kind of obstruction.

  8. On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:21:03 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be Iain
    Jones <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Plenty of those up here too. I'll never understand why they build a
    cycleway and then put "Cyclists Dismount" signs every time it meets some
    kind of obstruction.

    Officials are either stupid or intimidated.

    They would of course never dream of putting up a "Motorists get out
    and push sign", when they start doing so it is time for cyclists to
    consider the request to dismount.

    The double standards of officials was also demonstrated by the foot
    & mouth "crisis". Cycle paths were closed, but not roads. A risk
    assessment shows that roads are more likely to spread the disease,
    but cyclists can be picked on.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  9. Iain Jones said:


    I'll never understand why they build a
    cycleway and then put "Cyclists Dismount" signs every time it meets some
    kind of obstruction.

    Or even stop cyclists altogether as here in Bristol which I came across
    last month.
    Is it, or isn't it?

    http://freespace.virgin.net/jpb.design/bristol.html

    John B

  10. JohnB <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Iain Jones said:


    I'll never understand why they build a
    cycleway and then put "Cyclists Dismount" signs every time it meets some
    kind of obstruction.

    Or even stop cyclists altogether as here in Bristol which I came across
    last month.
    Is it, or isn't it?

    http://freespace.virgin.net/jpb.design/bristol.html

    John B

    Now *that's* clever. Standard cycle lane, but excluding upright bikes.
    Recumbents only. Maybe?

  11. in message <[email hidden]>, JohnB ([email hidden]'😉

    Quoted message said:
    Iain Jones said:


    I'll never understand why they build a
    cycleway and then put "Cyclists Dismount" signs every time it meets
    some kind of obstruction.

    Or even stop cyclists altogether as here in Bristol which I came
    across last month.
    Is it, or isn't it?

    http://freespace.virgin.net/jpb.design/bristol.html

    Now that one really is worthy of a prize.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    X-no-archive: No, I'm not *that* naive.

  12. Iain Jones said:

    I'll never understand why they build a
    cycleway and then put "Cyclists Dismount" signs every time it meets
    some kind of obstruction.

    It's because (a) the cycleway is for the convenience of cagers not cyclists
    and (b) it is so self-evidently dangerous that even the council, in their
    infinite cluelessness, can't fail to recognise it. The possibility of
    option (c), doing the job properly, of course never occurs to them.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain!

  13. "David Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Officials are either stupid or intimidated.

    Its the cheapest way of risk mitigation in their risk analysis.

    Tony

  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Or even stop cyclists altogether as here in Bristol whic

    Quoted message said:

    Now that one really is worthy of a prize

    How fantastically [censored]. Send it in to C+ and you almost certainly wil
    win a prize

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