Titanium

flyingdutch said:

Been following this on Cyclingplus forum for a few moths and finally a
few people have bought from these guys in china who make Ti bikes (road,
Tri, mtb, cyclocross plus anything else you can think of)
I enquired recently with them and you can buy a roadframe for $500Oz
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, are you going to buy one or what

If you don't like it, I'll buy it off you :

Wonder what the quality is like - $500 is cheap for ANY frame..

hipp

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One of the guys who races mountain bieks has bought frames from thes
people, both geared and singlespeed frames. Says they are fantasti
frames, have been thinking about ordering one. It would be better t
order two or three at a time to share the freight costs around

Interested

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hippy said:

So, are you going to buy one or what?
If you don't like it, I'll buy it off you 🙂
Wonder what the quality is like - $500 is cheap for ANY frame...
hippy

Im guessing if the duties/tax/shipping comes into play that its gonna g
near $7/800 (? no idea on this tho

Im currently in frame upgrade Hell, at the mo Looks like Im gonna b
cashed up in a big way some time in the next 12 months so th
853roady can become a trainer/winter bike and the joy of fram
research shall begi

But like you say, $500 is a pretty cheap mistake wandered into Spoke(n
at lunchtime Ciocc Challengers look sweet but $3200 f+

would it be 'wrong' to get a singlespeed Ti frame made up

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rhino said:

One of the guys who races mountain bieks has bought frames from these
people, both geared and singlespeed frames. Says they are fantastic
frames, have been thinking about ordering one. It would be better to
order two or three at a time to share the freight costs around.
Interested?

Some time after April I might be. Gotta save "some" cash for Europe.

Hmm.. Ti roadie, Ti SS, Ti commuter...

hippy

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rhino said:

One of the guys who races mountain bieks has bought frames from these
people, both geared and singlespeed frames. Says they are fantastic
frames, have been thinking about ordering one. It would be better to
order two or three at a time to share the freight costs around.
Interested?

I've heard the same. Only word of caution is to be very exact with you
specs. You need to spec each & every drop-out & braze-on, ie don'
assume the frame builders know anything. I could be interested, I wonde
if they can do sliding drop-outs, like the Kona Unit

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Bikesoiler said:

I've heard the same. Only word of caution is to be very exact with your
specs. You need to spec each & every drop-out & braze-on, ie don't
assume the frame builders know anything. I could be interested, I wonder
if they can do sliding drop-outs, like the Kona Unit?

i think the Kona unit sliders are actually bolt-on separate units tha
sit 'inside' the stays/ends. why use them instead of just 'built-in
dropouts, soiler

i gotta chinese exchange student staying at our place so I might mak
enquiries re her folks 'bringing' it over to m

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"flyingdutch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Been following this on Cyclingplus forum for a few moths and finally a
few people have bought from these guys in china who make Ti bikes (road,
Tri, mtb, cyclocross plus anything else you can think of)

<snip>

I purchased a frame and fork from these guys late last year. Paid around
USD600 including shipping to Australia. Had it custom built to allow the
use of standard 'long' reach brake calipers, so I had some room for bigger
tyres and guards.

Overall I was very happy with the quality of the frame and fork. The
brushed finish touches up easily with scotchbrite, so it can be kept looking
perfect with minimal effort. I think the brushed finish was about $20 bucks
extra.

Funnily enough the bike is currently on ebay, as I'm leaving the country at
the end of the month and traffic in KL scares me. Thinking of getting a mtb
frame as this appears to be a much more active scene in KL. Would buy from
these guys again without hesitation.

There's a couple of close up photos of the weld quality in the following
auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3666635772&category=7298&
sspagename=STRK%3AMESSE%3AIT&rd=1

Regards,
Jason

flyingdutch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Been following this on Cyclingplus forum for a few moths and finally a
few people have bought from these guys in china who make Ti bikes (road,
Tri, mtb, cyclocross plus anything else you can think of)

They build custom to your specs, send drawings first for your signoff
and from the feedback from the UK guys so far the quality is pretty good

I enquired recently with them and you can buy a roadframe for $500Oz
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that doesnt include charges/shipping/taxes (how much freight can a Ti
frame be tho?)

""Hi Sir: Thanks for your e-mail. Our price of 56cm titanium road frame
is FOB XI'AN USD345.00/set.The price of titanium custom road frame is
FOB XI'AN USD395.00/set.

Please you see our attached price list.Also please you visit our website
xacd.com.cnxacd.com.cnOpen ↗[/url] and ]http://www.ti-product.com.""

The attached pricelist includes everything you could imagine that goes
on a bike minus grouppo (bolts/levers/stem/forks/bars, etc)

$500Oz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I presently have three bikes from this place. A mountain bike, a road
bike and a Tri bike.
You can see pictures of my bikes here.

http://www.geo.net.au/~mart/personal/martys_bikes.htm

I've also had emails from various other people that have bought the
bikes.
One of them has posted pics of his bike here.
http://www.andreyo.com/_wsn/page3.html

His was a custom frame (US$50 extra).
I've never paid any duty or tax on the bikes on arrival in Australia.
Freight is expensive at about US$75 (by air) and the cost of a wire
money transfer is about AUS$40. Two frames will fit in one box so if
you order two frames you can cut costs.
I know for a fact that the frames made by these people are sold in the
USA for three to four times the cost from China. Mark Hickey has told
me that his frames (Habenaro) are not made from the above mentioned
company.

If you need further info you can email me at [email hidden]

Marty

flyingdutch said:

Im guessing if the duties/tax/shipping comes into play that its gonna go
near $7/800 (? no idea on this tho)
But like you say, $500 is a pretty cheap mistake wandered into Spoke(n)
at lunchtime Ciocc Challengers look sweet but $3200 f+f
would it be 'wrong' to get a singlespeed Ti frame made up?

Yeah, have to find out what 'extra' costs are involved..

There used to be a matte black Ciocc frame of some sort hanging up in
CCW. Looked quite nice. Don't know much about them though. I wouldn't
knock one back though 🙂

Ti SS?? Dude, they are all the rage in the states! (Not that anything
yanks make popular is good..) Advantages of steel without the weight
and rust. Yeah, custom ti ss frames are a popular item in USA, so they
can't be all bad.. thinks of cost, storage, lack of time to ride
one... <sigh>...

hippy

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flyingdutch said:

i think the Kona unit sliders are actually bolt-on separate units that
sit 'inside' the stays/ends. why use them instead of just 'built-in'
dropouts, soiler?

Look closely at the design... http://www.konaworld.com/2k4bikes/images/
frames/2K4_Frame_Explosif_1300.jp

These stays mean it's relatively simple to get correct chain tensio
(like horizontal dropouts) but unlike horiz dropouts (or track ends?
they allow you to fit disc brakes. This is because the whole dropou
moves, which the disc-mount is attached to, so it moves too. Simplicit
of horiz but with no disc-brake setup troubles and no EBB (eccentri
bottom bracket) trouble to deal with. Cheaper than EBB too

BTW: I'd have the "Explosif" here over the xian ss. <drool++

hipp

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"Bikesoiler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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rhino said:

One of the guys who races mountain bieks has bought frames from these
people, both geared and singlespeed frames. Says they are fantastic
frames, have been thinking about ordering one. It would be better to
order two or three at a time to share the freight costs around.
Interested?

Quoted message said:

I've heard the same. Only word of caution is to be very exact with your
specs. You need to spec each & every drop-out & braze-on, ie don't
assume the frame builders know anything. I could be interested, I wonder
if they can do sliding drop-outs, like the Kona Unit?

I concur! I had a cheap Ti frame built in 1999 by a Russian aerospace
company on my specs. Unfortunately, although I gave them the key
measurements/angles, I didn't specify that the chain stays should be
lengthened because the seat tube angle was more relaxed. When I finally got
around to building the bike up, I couldn't fit the back wheel in!! But last
year I found a guy in Sydney who specialised in Ti welding, and had seen a
few bikes in his time as well. The best solution was to carve out a chunk
from the inside of each of the rear dropouts to effectively move them back
5mm (and build up the other side of course). I can now fit the wheel in
fine, and I get quite a bit of clearance with a 20mm tyre, but somewhat less
with a 23mm. So I finally got to ride it after four years!

The price? If I'd bought a standard frame/fork/seatpost, it was about
AU$600, but my "custom" job was about AU$1000. No duty as I got it in
Belgium and brought it home with me.

I've also heard that from a certain bike manufacturer in Taiwan, you can get
a carbon frame for 150 euros = about AU$250. Provided you order 50 :-)

cheers,
Jeff

OK so does anyone know good sites for drafting up specs on fram
building

ie how does one in detail brief these guys

I can take measurements off my currentbike but what if I want to do
compact or semicompact

is there detailed linedrawings of existing 56cm frames around anywher

tanx in advanc

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Quoted message said:

Originally posted by flyingdutch OK so does anyone know good sites fo
drafting up specs on frame building

Suzy has recently posted lots of info about this type of thing
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/sjackson/bike_frame.htm

My mate sent me this after its update (I think it's the same site Suz
used for her design?): http://www.bikeforest.com/CAD.htm

I'm 56cm too... you can build yours, I'll crash test it and then I'l
know if I can use your measurements or not :

hipp

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hippy said:

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by flyingdutch OK so does anyone know good sites for
drafting up specs on frame building?

Suzy has recently posted lots of info about this type of thing:
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/sjackson/bike_frame.html
My mate sent me this after its update (I think it's the same site Suzy
used for her design?): http://www.bikeforest.com/CAD.html
I'm 56cm too... you can build yours, I'll crash test it and then I'll
know if I can use your measurements or not 😄
hippy

Suzy! of course (i'll do my own graphics tho - FlyingDutchman -

shall gleen that site, tan

Being Ti, it should warp straight back into its original shape afte
your endeavours with it :-

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"flyingdutch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OK so does anyone know good sites for drafting up specs on frame
building?

ie how does one in detail brief these guys?

I can take measurements off my currentbike but what if I want to do a
compact or semicompact?

is there detailed linedrawings of existing 56cm frames around anywhere

tanx in advance

You don't *have* to get one one custom made. The three "off the shelf"
frames I've bought from them are a perfect fit. These guys make frames for
some top names in America, you think they don't know how to size a bike?

Marty

Marty Wallace said:

" You don't *have* to get one one custom made. The three "off the
shelf" frames I've bought from them are a perfect fit. These guys make
frames for some top names in America, you think they don't know how to
size a bike?
Marty

oh, yeah. Which US names do they make for, do you know

what kind of finisf do the frames have? Im assuming they arent polished
so is it possible to do this ones-self

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hippy said:

Look closely at the design... http://www.konaworld.com/2k4bikes/images/-
frames/2K4_Frame_Explosif_1300.jpg
These stays mean it's relatively simple to get correct chain tension
(like horizontal dropouts) but unlike horiz dropouts (or track ends?)
they allow you to fit disc brakes. This is because the whole dropout
moves, which the disc-mount is attached to, so it moves too. Simplicity
of horiz but with no disc-brake setup troubles and no EBB (eccentric
bottom bracket) trouble to deal with. Cheaper than EBB too.
BTW: I'd have the "Explosif" here over the xian ss. <drool++>
hippy

Hippy You beat me to the reply, but said it exactly. I want an MTB fram
for singlespeed that can run disk brakes & the Kona/sliding drop-ou
looks to be one of the best solutions. Does the Explosif drop-out have
derailer mount.

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Bikesoiler said:

Hippy You beat me to the reply, but said it exactly. I want an MTB frame
for singlespeed that can run disk brakes & the Kona/sliding drop-out
looks to be one of the best solutions. Does the Explosif drop-out have a
derailer mount.?

Makes you wonder if this design isnt going to become more common. Simpl
solution always the best, as usua

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"flyingdutch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Marty Wallace said:

" You don't *have* to get one one custom made. The three "off the
shelf" frames I've bought from them are a perfect fit. These guys make
frames for some top names in America, you think they don't know how to
size a bike?
Marty

oh, yeah. Which US names do they make for, do you know?

what kind of finisf do the frames have? Im assuming they arent polished,
so is it possible to do this ones-self?

Why do you assume they aren't polished?

There is a link to one here. http://www.andreyo.com/_wsn/page3.html

Marty