Strada workstand ideas?

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I am trying to come up with a simple clever idea for a home-built workstand for a Strada
recumbent, but it is not an easy bike to hold. Anyone got any great ideas?

I don't know how handy you are but I have a Park Deluxe Home Mechanic Repair Stand (PCS-4) with a
100-5X Extreme Range Clamp for my Giro. parktool.com100 5X.shtmlOpen ↗

If you have ideas about building your own. I would suggest coming as close to this one as you can.

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Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Thanks Cletus. I guess I should have mentioned something. The balance point on my bike is under the
front half of the seat. In front of that area, I will have a mount for a headlight battery. This
means that I can not clamp to the frame tube at or near the balance point.

Bill

Cletus D. Lee said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I am trying to come up with a simple clever idea for a home-built workstand for a Strada
recumbent, but it is not an easy bike to hold. Anyone got any great ideas?

I don't know how handy you are but I have a Park Deluxe Home Mechanic Repair Stand (PCS-4) with a
100-5X Extreme Range Clamp for my Giro. parktool.com100 5X.shtmlOpen ↗

If you have ideas about building your own. I would suggest coming as close to this one as
you can.

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Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

[This followup was posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and a copy was sent to the cited author.]

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Thanks Cletus. I guess I should have mentioned something. The balance point on my bike is under
the front half of the seat. In front of that area, I will have a mount for a headlight battery.
This means that I can not clamp to the frame tube at or near the balance point.

Take a close look at the 100-5X clamp. It fits the Strada/Giro Monotube nicely. In addition to
clamping top/bottom on the monotube, It also clamps on the sides and still provides some support
beneath the frame as well.

I have a RAM Mount for my GPS strapped to the Monotube just aft of the headset. Even though the
balance point on the Giro is the same as your Strada, I find the Park Deluxe Repair Stand well
balanced and will still support the bike with a long moment arm.

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Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Bill,

I use a Rothko stand that Rivendell Bicycle Works sells for $20.

rivendellbicycles.comtoolsOpen ↗

Charles

Bill said:

I am trying to come up with a simple clever idea for a home-built workstand for a Strada
recumbent, but it is not an easy bike to hold. Anyone got any great ideas?

Please take the 7 out of my e-mail address if replying directly to me.

Thanks,

Bill

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Bill,

I use a Rothko stand that Rivendell Bicycle Works sells for $20.

rivendellbicycles.comtoolsOpen ↗

FWIW this is NOT a work stand. It only supports a bike on the ground.

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Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

I bought about $30 worth of 1" copper pipe today. I am either going to have a nice Strada stand soon
or an expensive pile of copper junk.

Cletus D. Lee said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I am trying to come up with a simple clever idea for a home-built workstand for a Strada
recumbent, but it is not an easy bike to hold. Anyone got any great ideas?

I don't know how handy you are but I have a Park Deluxe Home Mechanic Repair Stand (PCS-4) with a
100-5X Extreme Range Clamp for my Giro. parktool.com100 5X.shtmlOpen ↗

If you have ideas about building your own. I would suggest coming as close to this one as
you can.

--
Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Works very well. See it at: home.mchsi.comlight4b.jpgOpen ↗

Bill said:

I bought about $30 worth of 1" copper pipe today. I am either going to have a nice Strada stand
soon or an expensive pile of copper junk.

Cletus D. Lee said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I am trying to come up with a simple clever idea for a home-built workstand for a Strada
recumbent, but it is not an easy bike to hold. Anyone got any great ideas?

I don't know how handy you are but I have a Park Deluxe Home Mechanic Repair Stand (PCS-4) with
a 100-5X Extreme Range Clamp for my Giro. parktool.com100 5X.shtmlOpen ↗

If you have ideas about building your own. I would suggest coming as close to this one as you
can.

--
Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Bill looks like a good Idea I'd say you met your objective, now what did you use for the cradle
parts? Denny in Sayre, Pa "bent but not broken" www.recumbentstuff.com

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Bill said:

I bought about $30 worth of 1" copper pipe today. I am either going to have a nice Strada stand
soon or an expensive pile of copper junk.

Quoted message said:

Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Bill said:

Works very well. See it at: home.mchsi.comlight4b.jpgOpen ↗

Bill,

Where is the Roho seat pad? Or do you find the Strada comfortable enough without the pad?

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Tom,

I took the Roho off for the picture. I consider myself the poster child for R-Butt. If I use a Roho
on a non-laid-back seat, I get it. If I use a laid back seat (including the Strada) without the
Roho, I get it. The only way I ride in complete comfort is with a laid back seat AND a Roho.
Unfortunately, Roho does not make the cushion I have, it was a prototype. They do make a small one
for motorcycle seats that works pretty well, but not as well as the deeper one I have. A friend of
mine has the motorcycle Roho on his V-Rex and he is 100% spoiled with it now. I have tried to
convince Roho that there would be a market for the version I have, but they are not convinced, or at
least not interested at this time in making them. They might custom make one, but it would probably
cost $200 to $300. Mine is about 3 1/2 years old now and I hope it keeps going for a while!

Bill

Tom Sherman said:

Bill said:

Works very well. See it at: home.mchsi.comlight4b.jpgOpen ↗

Bill,

Where is the Roho seat pad? Or do you find the Strada comfortable enough without the pad?

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Denny,

I made the cradle brackets out of aluminum and UHMW polyethylene (see links below). I used silicon
rubber (RTV) to attach a small section of aluminum pipe (conduit) to the underside of the frame tube
to keep the bike from sliding down (see link below). The vertical pipe keeps the bike upright. I use
a velcro strip to attach it to the seat. When not in use, the vertical tube can be pivoted down to
save space by taking out a cotter pin.

home.mchsi.comstand2.jpgOpen ↗ home.mchsi.comstand3.jpgOpen ↗
home.mchsi.comstand4.jpgOpen ↗

Bill

Denny Voorhees said:

Bill looks like a good Idea I'd say you met your objective, now what did you use for the cradle
parts? Denny in Sayre, Pa "bent but not broken" www.recumbentstuff.com

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Bill said:

I bought about $30 worth of 1" copper pipe today. I am either going to have a nice Strada
stand soon or an expensive pile of copper junk.
> Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
> - Bellaire, TX USA -

Thanks Andy, There are more pictures of the stand on the newsgroup now.

I am a big believer in fenders. I had to buy 2 set of fenders, a road set for the front and a MTB
for the rear. I think I got them from Bike Nashbar or Performance Bike.

I use a stock tire on the front and a fatter tire on the rear. I ran time trials with this setup as
well as with 2 stock tires and also with 2 650C tires (and rims). My average speeds were within 1
mph. I really like the cushioned feel of the fat rear tire and I consider it much more durable and
flat resistant.

Another thing that I did to the bike that really worked out great is the tightly-focused 11 watt
scanning headlight. You can see it in the first picture. It uses a servo motor for rotation. I have
not quite completed my latest version. It will be about my 5th iteration of the scanning design. It
uses a home-built digital regulator designed and built by my friend Mike. With the tightly focused
11 watt beam, not only can you blind a deer, you can aim it at him! The spot is much more focused
and intense than a 20 watt halogen MR16 spot bulb (I compared them). Since all of the light is in a
small spot though, with very little stray light, it must have the ability to rotate or you are
completely in the dark in the turns. With the rotating feature, it is amazing how well you can see
with 11 watts. By the way, I use my cordless drill batteries for power.

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Bill

Thanks for the pics of the Strada worstand...very nice!

I also noted you have fenders on the bike. Can you tell me what kind they are? Especially on
the front??

Thanks for any help! Andy

In article <[email hidden]>, Bill says...

Quoted message said:

I took the Roho off for the picture. I consider myself the poster child for R-Butt. If I use a
Roho on a non-laid-back seat, I get it. If I use a laid back seat (including the Strada) without
the Roho, I get it. The only way I ride in complete comfort is with a laid back seat AND a Roho.
Unfortunately, Roho does not make the cushion I have, it was a prototype. They do make a small
one for motorcycle seats that works pretty well, but not as well as the deeper one I have. A
friend of mine has the motorcycle Roho on his V-Rex and he is 100% spoiled with it now. I have
tried to convince Roho that there would be a market for the version I have, but they are not
convinced, or at least not interested at this time in making them. They might custom make one,
but it would probably cost $200 to $300. Mine is about 3 1/2 years old now and I hope it keeps
going for a while!

Bill's comments got me to thinking. On my Vision VR-42 with the seat back I NEVER get the dreaded
R-Butt. But on my rather upright Vision VR-32 I get R-Butt after an hour, and see about the same
response on my upright LifeCycle exercize trainer.

Knowing this, I have always assumed that I would not be happy on a design - like the Easy Racer -
with a more upright seat. Anybody have any experience with this? Can you generalize about R-Butt, or
is it too specific to the exact seat of the bike?

Steve Christensen Midland, MI

Steve Christensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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In article <[email hidden]>, Bill says...

? Can you generalize about R-Butt, or is it too specific to the exact seat

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of the bike?

Steve,

I believe that R-Butt is "specific to the seater of the biker".

It's been a long time since I was in Jr. High Physics but I think that it has something to do with
the equation that goes something like this " ..........the mass of the ass ...................". May
have something to do with handlebars or something.

Jerry

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Bill's comments got me to thinking. On my Vision VR-42 with the seat back I NEVER get the dreaded
R-Butt. But on my rather upright Vision VR-32 I get R-Butt after an hour, and see about the same
response on my upright LifeCycle exercize trainer.

Knowing this, I have always assumed that I would not be happy on a design - like the Easy Racer -
with a more upright seat. Anybody have any experience with this? Can you generalize about R-Butt,
or is it too specific to the exact seat of the bike?

Steve Christensen Midland, MI

Steve, you have got it exactly right. There are plenty of recumbent cyclists who think this is a
deep study, but it is really a no brainer. The more upright the seat, the greater the potential for
recumbent butt. The more laid back the seat, the less potential for recumbent butt. You can actually
do the experiment on your Vision VR-42. Get the seat all the way upright, ride for several hours and
see what happens. Then lay your seat all the way back and do the same. Night and day. One caveat.
There are some guys who have such hard butts or such thick fat padding in their derriere that they
could ride all day on a fence rail and never feel a thing. These are the kind of guys that actually
like the cobra seat on the Easy Racer. You and I with our Visions have the most comfortable seat
ever invented. No other seat even comes close. But the Vision seat must be laid back to realize the
full comfort. Once you have done that you are in nirvana.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Ed, when I had my first Easy Racer Bike (TE) the Cobra seat did cause me to endure recumbo butt. On
my subsequent ER bikes (GRR / Polished Alum and at present a GRR Ti) I went with a Kool Back and now
a Rans seat on my Ti one. RB is no longer a problem for me. I in fact recline more on my GRR Ti. I
too know what you all are experiencing (Comfort wise) on your Visions, as I had an R-40 and R-45.
Once my Aero comes in, I'll be able to enjoy really laid back cycling! Can't wait!!! EZ Biker :-)
Pompano Beach, Fl. (GRR Ti, Tailwind and SOON, Bacchetta Aero Pilot)

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are plenty of recumbent > cyclists who think this is a deep study, but it is really a no

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brainer. The more upright the seat, the greater the potential for

recumbent butt.

I think it depends to some extent on how hard one is trying as well. On my Kingcycle, my [censored] would
start to seize after an hour or so at racing levels of effort, but I could quite happily ride all
day at touring speeds. This bike had the seat back at ~45 degrees; the seat was a tubular frame with
nylon webbing "upholstery". I have found the more laid-back hard-shell seats to be much more
comfortable - two hours racing on the Speedmachine gave no discomfort, and only a small amount after
the same duration race on my Baron.

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Laid back is the way to avoid R-Butt. However the type of rider you are and the seat can help on
more upright bikes. When I am working hard, trying to do a fast hour ride, I use my Glutes (butt
mucles) considerably. On an upright seat there is considerable weight on those mucles which is what
causes my butt to hurt when I try to ride fast on my BikeE. On my Optima Baron I can crank as hard
and as long as I want without any difficulty. I think the Vision seat is poorly suited to an upright
position due to its fairly small seat bottom, while it is a very comfortable laid back seat.
Personally I find the hard shell seats to be even more comforable. Craig Optima Baron

Steve Christensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Bill's comments got me to thinking. On my Vision VR-42 with the seat back I NEVER get the dreaded
R-Butt. But on my rather upright Vision VR-32 I get R-Butt after an hour, and see about the same
response on my upright LifeCycle exercize trainer.

Knowing this, I have always assumed that I would not be happy on a design - like the Easy Racer -
with a more upright seat. Anybody have any experience with this? Can you generalize about R-Butt,
or is it too specific to the exact seat of the bike?

Steve Christensen Midland, MI

Craig said:

I think the Vision seat is poorly suited to an upright position due to its fairly small seat
bottom, while it is a very comfortable laid back seat. Personally I find the hard shell seats to
be even more comforable. Craig Optima Baron

Folks who get the Vision with that great Vision seat will always want to be laid back. I have ridden
my Vision with the seat upright but not for long. It needs to be laid back.

As for hard shell seats, they can be comfy once you get about 2 inches of foam laid over it, but
otherwise they are murder. The manufacturer never gets it right as far as padding is concerned. But
I do think the recent advent of ever higher cranks which mandate a more laid back seating position
is going to mean that more recumbent cyclists are going to be more comfy than ever. But you have
still got to get the padding right. And those higher cranks can cause foot numbness, but that is
another story.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota