Mountain bike toeclips

"Charles Li" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Hey, question for everyone/anyone-

I have a trek 3700, I do some commuting and some joyriding, and I'm looking
to get some more speed out of my bike with toeclips (not to mention being
sick of losing my pedals from under my feet on drops). I'm looking to spend
as little money as possible, so should I buy clips to put on my pedals

I wouldn't. I used them for ages on-road and off. Glad to switch.
Clipless are better. Platform pedals are better off-road too. I guess it depends
on what you ride and your preferences. One problem with clipless is they're
either too tight for safe release, or too loose for maximum efficiency. I used
to ride them not super tight, and then tighten them up for climbs. It's OK,
but there are better choices.

"Charles Li" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have a trek 3700, I do some commuting and some joyriding, and I'm

looking

Quoted message said:

to get some more speed out of my bike with toeclips (not to mention being
sick of losing my pedals from under my feet on drops). I'm looking to

spend

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as little money as possible, so should I buy clips to put on my pedals or
just buy replacement caged pedals?

that might depend on how well your current pedals are set up for clips, and
what is available in your area. two prices i remember are about eight bucks
for clips and straps at the LBS, and thirty bucks for pedals complete with
clips and straps at REI.

fwiw, i like riding pedals, clips, and "somewhat" snug straps. the trick
imo is to use somewhat flat-soled tennis shoes (some people use skate shoes)
so that you can be a bit snug and still yank 'em out in an emergency. kind
of a trade-off with walking traction though.

i tried riding clipless but just couldn't get my reaction time down fast
enough to suit me.

"Charles Li" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hey, question for everyone/anyone-

I have a trek 3700, I do some commuting and some joyriding, and I'm

looking

Quoted message said:

to get some more speed out of my bike with toeclips (not to mention being
sick of losing my pedals from under my feet on drops). I'm looking to

spend

Quoted message said:

as little money as possible, so should I buy clips to put on my pedals or
just buy replacement caged pedals?

Thanks,

Chuck

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"Charles Li" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Hey, question for everyone/anyone-

I have a trek 3700, I do some commuting and some joyriding, and I'm
looking to get some more speed out of my bike with toeclips (not to
mention being sick of losing my pedals from under my feet on drops).
I'm looking to spend as little money as possible, so should I buy clips
to put on my pedals or just buy replacement caged pedals?

Thanks,

Chuck

Unless you feel like picking your teeth up off of the sidewalk, go clipless.
They are even more dangerous off-road.
If you don't think you can handle clipless, stay with the platforms.
I've ridden platforms, toe-straps, and clipless pedals. You'd have to pay me
a hell of a lot to use either of the former ever again.

Just my $0.02

- Boyd S.

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"Charles Li" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Hey, question for everyone/anyone-

I have a trek 3700, I do some commuting and some joyriding, and I'm
looking to get some more speed out of my bike with toeclips (not to
mention being sick of losing my pedals from under my feet on drops).
I'm looking to spend as little money as possible, so should I buy clips
to put on my pedals or just buy replacement caged pedals?

Thanks,

Chuck

Unless you feel like picking your teeth up off of the sidewalk, go

clipless.

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They are even more dangerous off-road.

LOL.

I'm just waiting for the Toeclip Mafia to point out the error of your
generalization.

Charles Li said:

Hey, question for everyone/anyone-

I have a trek 3700, I do some commuting and some joyriding, and I'm looking
to get some more speed out of my bike with toeclips (not to mention being
sick of losing my pedals from under my feet on drops). I'm looking to spend
as little money as possible, so should I buy clips to put on my pedals or
just buy replacement caged pedals?

Are your pedals plastic? I don't think they can take toe clips if they
are. Also, consider "Power Grips" - I used them for a few years before
going clipless. They hook up the same as toe clips, but I like the way you
can tighten them as-needed by turning your heels in. I imagine they cost
about the same as toe clips, and they hook up the same.

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Boydbrain Speerschneider <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> had this
to say about toeclips:

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They are even more dangerous off-road.

Yes, they are quite death-defying...for lamers who lack coordination.

JD

Mini toeclips will do.

I MTB 2004

"David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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I wouldn't. I used them for ages on-road and off. Glad to switch.
Clipless are better. Platform pedals are better off-road too. I guess it depends
on what you ride and your preferences. One problem with clipless

That was supposed to be "one problem with toe-clips"

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Boydbrain Speerschneider <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> had this
to say about toeclips:

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They are even more dangerous off-road.

Yes, they are quite death-defying...for lamers who lack coordination.

JD

Lamers Who Lack Coordination (LWLCs) are exactly the type of people who seem
to gravitate towards toeclips. They have this weird idea that toeclips are
safer and easier to use than clipless pedals.

I work in a bike store. The only riders I've seen buy toeclips there are
LWLCs and Retro-Grouch Kooks (RGKs). For the most part, the RGKs are also
LWLCs.

- Boyd S.

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[email hidden] (JD) wrote in news:ebf270c9.0405060806.5d1755f6
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Boydbrain Speerschneider <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> had this
to say about toeclips:

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They are even more dangerous off-road.

Yes, they are quite death-defying...for lamers who lack coordination.

JD

Lamers Who Lack Coordination (LWLCs) are exactly the type of people who

seem

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to gravitate towards toeclips. They have this weird idea that toeclips are
safer and easier to use than clipless pedals.

I work in a bike store. The only riders I've seen buy toeclips there are
LWLCs and Retro-Grouch Kooks (RGKs). For the most part, the RGKs are also
LWLCs.

Awesome response!

(not for the reason you would most likely think though)

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[email hidden] (JD) wrote in news:ebf270c9.0405060806.5d1755f6
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Quoted message said:

Boydbrain Speerschneider <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> had this
to say about toeclips:

Quoted message said:

They are even more dangerous off-road.

Yes, they are quite death-defying...for lamers who lack coordination.

JD

Lamers Who Lack Coordination (LWLCs) are exactly the type of people who seem
to gravitate towards toeclips. They have this weird idea that toeclips are
safer and easier to use than clipless pedals.

Yeah, the Toeclip Mafia are complete lamers. We have this idea that
we are allowed to use what works best for us, though we pose more than
ride.

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I work in a bike store. The only riders I've seen buy toeclips there are
LWLCs and Retro-Grouch Kooks (RGKs). For the most part, the RGKs are also
LWLCs.

You work in a bike store, so you must know everything and have ridden
with everyone in the World. Please stay in your sad little realm.

JD

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Boydbrain Speerschneider <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> wrote in

^^^^^^^^^
Wow, making fun of a name that was given to me at birth. I name I never
chose. That's *real* mature. I haven't heard that one since the 3rd grade.
Grow up.

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[email hidden] (JD) wrote in news:ebf270c9.0405060806.5d1755f6
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Boydbrain Speerschneider <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@ME_TOOyahoo.com> had this
to say about toeclips:
> They are even more dangerous off-road.

Yes, they are quite death-defying...for lamers who lack coordination.

JD

Lamers Who Lack Coordination (LWLCs) are exactly the type of people who
seem to gravitate towards toeclips. They have this weird idea that
toeclips are safer and easier to use than clipless pedals.

Yeah, the Toeclip Mafia are complete lamers. We have this idea that
we are allowed to use what works best for us, though we pose more than
ride.

Perhaps toeclips work best for you because you lack the coordination
required to use clipless pedals. But, since I don't know everything, I
could be wrong. Please enlighten me (*holding breath*).

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I work in a bike store. The only riders I've seen buy toeclips there
are LWLCs and Retro-Grouch Kooks (RGKs). For the most part, the RGKs
are also LWLCs.

You work in a bike store, so you must know everything and have ridden
with everyone in the World. Please stay in your sad little realm.

JD

No need to for personal attacks here. We are all adults here (I assume), so
act like it. I didn't say that because I work in an LBS that I "know
everything and have ridden with everyone in the world". All I did was
offer up my experience as to who purchases toe straps. I stand by that
statement.

- Boyd S.

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I work in a bike store. The only riders I've seen buy toeclips there are
LWLCs and Retro-Grouch Kooks (RGKs). For the most part, the RGKs are also
LWLCs.

You work in a bike store, so you must know everything and have ridden
with everyone in the World. Please stay in your sad little realm.

JD

Surely you realise that once a bike part has been superceded it
becomes unsafe to use, like a sun lamp from the 1940's?
Why the very bike you ride today will one day have to be buried in a
lead lined box, just in case someone tried to ride down the local
shops to pick up some cigarette papers on it and got themselves killed
dead.

cheers

g

Boyd Speerschneider said:

[email hidden] (JD) wrote in news:ebf270c9.0405060806.5d1755f6
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Lamers Who Lack Coordination (LWLCs) are exactly the type of people
who seem to gravitate towards toeclips. They have this weird idea
that toeclips are safer and easier to use than clipless pedals.

I work in a bike store. The only riders I've seen buy toeclips there
are LWLCs and Retro-Grouch Kooks (RGKs). For the most part, the RGKs
are also LWLCs.

fwiw, here is the memory that makes me (a RGK i guess) go back to clips:

i was riding down a somewhat steep and rutted fire-road (slowly) when my
front tire slipped off into a rut and over the bars i went ... except, just
on instinct i somehow managed to yank both feet from the clips, swing my
arms up, head back, feet forward ... and land with a big thump on my feet.
(a rider coming up hill said "i give it 10 points for style"😉. i looked
back and my bike was like 10 feet behind me.

that happened back when everybody rode clips, and i kind of wondered if i'd
get that good with clipless, but i never did.

now, maybe you kids can do that on instinct with clipless, and not take that
endo on the head or shoulder, but i can't so i became a RGK(*).

* - not counting the broken wrist suffered with clipless.

socks said:

fwiw, here is the memory that makes me (a RGK i guess) go back to clips:

i was riding down a somewhat steep and rutted fire-road (slowly) when my
front tire slipped off into a rut and over the bars i went ... except, just
on instinct i somehow managed to yank both feet from the clips, swing my
arms up, head back, feet forward ... and land with a big thump on my feet.

Same thing happened to me on my FIRST mountain bike ride, though I was
going extremely fast and landed at a full run!

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that happened back when everybody rode clips, and i kind of wondered if i'd
get that good with clipless, but i never did.

Its happened me countless times. I believe the maneuver is called a
"stepover", though I can't say I ever did it intentionally (it just
happened).

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* - not counting the broken wrist suffered with clipless.

Ouch! I say go with whatever works best for your. Clearly not clipless in
your case!

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BB said:

On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:14:52 -0700, socks wrote:

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* - not counting the broken wrist suffered with clipless.

Ouch! I say go with whatever works best for your. Clearly not
clipless in your case!

i think that's the real lesson. i kept trying clipless even though i wasn't
getting it, and it took the break to convince me to give it up. so, the
take-away is to do what feels good and don't force something that isn't
working (for you).

socks said:

i think that's the real lesson. i kept trying clipless even though i wasn't
getting it, and it took the break to convince me to give it up. so, the
take-away is to do what feels good and don't force something that isn't
working (for you).

True, up to a point - some people take longer than others to get used to
clipless but do get used to them. I had a helluva time with them the first
year. All those stupid, slow-motion, rolling-down-the-hill-sideways
crashes. But after awhile I got used to it, and now it drives me nuts to
ride with anything else (especially flats).

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