Disk brake

stick with V's until you can afforda complete set?

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I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set of disk brakes but have
been offered a good deal on a shimano deore Hydraulic front system with wheel included think its a
fir 370 or something like that ...not

sure

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but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first
..? I cannot work

out

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what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill stuff not that I do mega
stuff but I still like a challenge. Anyone any ideas

and

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are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for spare parts
etc . Any advice would be welcome

Thanks

RE/

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Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first ..? I cannot work out what is best as I don't
use my front brake that much on the downhill stuff not that I do mega stuff but I still like a
challenge.

Given a choice, I'll always bypass the "challange"...but my experience and a recurrant statement in
other threads is that the front brake is the workhorse.

On a long downhill, I'll keep steady pressure on the front brake and feather the rear brake for fine
tuning. Might be right, might be wrong...but that's the way I do it.

Also, when disc brakes first started appearing, most of the bikes I remember had disc on front
wheel only.

Finally, I'm in the midst of converting my new hardtail from v-brakes to Avid cable discs. Got the
rear wheel converted already, front caliper should arrive on Wednesday.

It's interesting to me because I've had a few hundred miles to compare the hardtail's vee's with the
Hope C2's on my FS and now, I'm getting the chance to
A/B the Avid cables with the Hope hydraulics.

Only got a few miles on the new cable rear disc, but my initial impression is that it's pretty good
- maybe even a worthy alternative to the hydraulic Hope at less than half the cost.
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I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set of disk brakes but have
been offered a good deal on a shimano deore Hydraulic front system with wheel included think its a
fir 370 or something like that ...not

sure

Quoted message said:

but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first
..? I cannot work

out

Quoted message said:

what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill stuff not that I do mega
stuff but I still like a challenge. Anyone any ideas

and

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are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for spare parts
etc . Any advice would be welcome

Thanks

Why don't you use your front brake much?
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Son of Kendo said:

I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set of disk brakes but have been
offered a good deal on a shimano deore Hydraulic front system with wheel included think its a fir
370 or something like that ...not sure but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would I be
better to go for a rear wheel first ..? I cannot work out what is best as I don't use my front
brake that much on the downhill stuff not that I do mega stuff but I still like a challenge. Anyone
any ideas and are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for
spare parts etc . Any advice would be welcome

First off, try to honestly assess just how badly you really NEED those disc brakes. You mention you
don't do "mega stuff", so if you're not riding in lots o' sloppy conditions, the "value" might not
be all that great. By the time you get done changing out all the bits that you'll need to change,
the cost will probably be a lot more than you expected. You might consider stashing away the money
for the "upgrade" for now, and using it to start a "new bike fund" for something that comes with
discs out of the box (leaving you with your old bike as a backup - always a very cool thing).

In the end, I don't get too excited about my brakes unless they stop working - and they never do.

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I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set of disk brakes but have
been offered a good deal on a shimano deore Hydraulic front system with wheel included think its a
fir 370 or something like that ...not

sure

Quoted message said:

but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first
..? I cannot work

out

Quoted message said:

what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill stuff not that I do mega
stuff but I still like a challenge. Anyone any ideas

and

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are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for spare parts
etc . Any advice would be welcome

Thanks

I'm not sure about the price but the Shimano Deore hydraulic are reasonable brakes by from all
reports. And being Shimano the pads and parts will be easily available. Or easily sourced at least.
Go for the front first. The vast majority of your braking should be done with the front brakes
anyway. You'll stop or slow much faster and with more control by using the front brakes. When you
brake the majority of the weight and force throws itself forwards and there is more downwards force
and grip on the ground through the front wheel. The back wheel has little weight and grip on it and
contributes much less to the braking. Of course loose surfaces present their own set of problems.
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stick with V's until you can afforda complete set?

You're an idiot. Learn something before giving advice.

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members.rogers.comtheblackfoxxOpen ↗ "Son of Kendo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set of disk brakes but have
been offered a good deal on a shimano deore Hydraulic front system with wheel included think its
a fir 370 or something like that ...not

sure

Quoted message said:

but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first
..? I cannot work

out

Quoted message said:

what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill stuff not that I do mega
stuff but I still like a challenge. Anyone any ideas

and

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are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for spare
parts etc . Any advice would be welcome

Ignore moronic advice like TBF's, and go for the front disk/rear V set-up. Most of your braking is
done with the front, so having the better brake up there is important. Good, well-adjusted Vs in the
back will work just fine. I ran cantis, switched to Vs, then front-disk/rear V then full disk, and I
can say that the jump from front disk to full disk was the least impressive step. Actually, the most
impressive was canti to V. 🙂

Right now, I'm running my beater HT with front disk/rear V. Works great, no problems.

But front disks are so much nicer to modulate than front Vs, and mud and water on the rim doesn't
give you the "no-brake pucker" that you get with Vs.

Do it.

Spider

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Ignore moronic advice like TBF's, and go for the front disk/rear V set-up. Most of your braking is
done with the front, so having the better brake up there is important. Good, well-adjusted Vs in
the back will work just fine. I ran cantis, switched to Vs, then front-disk/rear V then full disk,
and I can say that the jump from front disk to full disk was the least impressive step. Actually,
the most impressive was canti to V. 🙂

Right now, I'm running my beater HT with front disk/rear V. Works great, no problems.

But front disks are so much nicer to modulate than front Vs, and mud and water on the rim doesn't
give you the "no-brake pucker" that you get with Vs.

Do it.

Spider

I gotta agree with Spider on this. I also ran a front disc with a rear V because I couldn't afford
to switch out both. I loved the front so much that I just removed the rear and ran one brake for a
little while, but I don't suggest you doing this....it's an advanced technique reserved for idiots
like myself ;^ 0

Go for it!
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Slacker

Son of Kendo said:

I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set of disk brakes but have
been offered a good deal on a shimano deore Hydraulic front system with wheel included think its a
fir 370 or something like that ...not sure but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new .

The one important thing you need to look at, is are your current shifters / levers all one unit? If
so, you're going to have to buy new shifters to run with your new brake.

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Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first ..? I cannot work out what is best as I don't
use my front brake that much on the downhill stuff not that I do mega stuff but I still like a
challenge.

You need to work on your technique. On downhills, a huge amount of your braking force should be
going through the front - way more than the back.

Anyone any ideas and

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are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for spare parts
etc . Any advice would be welcome

The Deore's are ok, and it sounds like a deal, but as others have pointed out, do you
really need it?

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First off, try to honestly assess just how badly you really NEED those disc brakes. You mention
you don't do "mega stuff", so if you're not riding in lots o' sloppy conditions, the "value" might
not be all that great.

Exactly...if you're lacking power, maybe you need discs, maybe you need good V's. If you don't do a
lot of "crazy stuff" you (most probably) don't require disc brakes. Switch out to nice V's, or even
nice brake pads - in my experience, Avid's Rim Wrangler 2 pads are insane in all conditions, and I
like stream crossings, mud, dirt, mud, sand, and mud. Pads may make all the difference. Will you
need disc hubs also? Even though Avid mechanicals can be had for $70 each, not too much more than
v's (okay, double v's) you may need new hubs, and you'll need cables, and you'll want smooth levers
to reinforce your newfound modulation...soon, you've spent hundreds of dollars. Be sure you need
discs...unless, of course, you just want them. Then, go

me going more than my bike), so I know what it is to spend frivolously on a ride. You may, though,
be better off in the long run with nice V's, like Mr. Hickey said, or high-end pads, like I said.

Chris

"Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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| "Son of Kendo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
| > I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set
of
| > disk brakes but have been offered a good deal on a shimano deore
Hydraulic
| > front system with wheel included think its a fir 370 or something like that ...not
| sure
| > but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first
| > ..? I cannot work
| out
| > what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill
stuff
| > not that I do mega stuff but I still like a challenge. Anyone any ideas
| and
| > are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for spare
| > parts etc . Any advice would be welcome
| >
| > Thanks
| >
| >
|
| I'm not sure about the price but the Shimano Deore hydraulic are
reasonable
| brakes by from all reports. And being Shimano the pads and parts will be easily available. Or
| easily sourced at least. Go for the front first. The vast majority of your braking should be done
| with the front brakes anyway. You'll stop or slow much faster and with
more
| control by using the front brakes. When you brake the majority of the weight and force throws
| itself forwards and there is more downwards force and grip on the ground through the front wheel.
| The back wheel has little weight and grip on it and contributes much less to the braking. Of
| course loose surfaces present their own set of problems.
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| Westie

Damn now MV will campaign for no front brakes on mountainbikes. :o)

Simon

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Ignore moronic advice like TBF's, and go for the front disk/rear V set-up. Most of your braking
is done with the front, so having the better brake up there is important. Good, well-adjusted Vs
in the back will work just fine. I ran cantis, switched to Vs, then front-disk/rear V then full
disk, and I can say that the jump from front disk to full disk was the least impressive step.
Actually, the most impressive was canti to V. 🙂

Right now, I'm running my beater HT with front disk/rear V. Works great, no problems.

But front disks are so much nicer to modulate than front Vs, and mud and water on the rim
doesn't give you the "no-brake pucker" that you get with Vs.

Do it.

Spider

I gotta agree with Spider on this. I also ran a front disc with a rear V

because I couldn't afford to switch out both. I loved the

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front so much that I just removed the rear and ran one brake for a little

while, but I don't suggest you doing this....it's an

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advanced technique reserved for idiots like myself ;^ 0

Go for it!

3rd'ed - I'm still running front disc/rear V's, and have absolutely no problems, other than V brakes
wearing rims out in our [censored] gritty and muddy conditions.

Shaun aRe

Son of Kendo said:

I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set of disk brakes but have
been offered a good deal on a shimano deore Hydraulic front system with wheel included think its a
fir 370 or something like that ...not sure but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would
I be better to go for a rear wheel first ..? I cannot work out what is best as I don't use my
front brake that much on the downhill stuff not that I do mega stuff but I still like a challenge.
Anyone any ideas and are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of
.etc..still ok for spare parts etc . Any advice would be welcome

Thanks

The front brake has 80% of your bike's stopping power. You need to learn to use it on steep hills so
that when you do hit the 'big one' by accident, you're not lost.

BUT, I've heard of people using just the front disc -- leaving the read as V. I did that at first
for a similar reason to yours (for me, it was a Lefty fork that I just couldn't pass up and discs
are a must for lefty's 🙂). It worked ok, but I didn't like it because of the difference in feel
between the front and back. I kept underpowering or locking the rear. SO, father's day and my
birthday were close and I asked for a rear disc hub and matching disc brake 🙂)).

David

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions It sounds as if might go for it then ...its a
front wheel with a disk hub and a full shimano deore front brake . Its been in the shop for a long
time and the bike mechanic is getting desperate to sell it and keeps badgering me everytime I go
into his shop He is really a friend and riding partner sometimes but will do and say almost anything
to sell me things ;;-)) So its a good deal I suppose I ride in The west coast of Scotland and its
nearly always muddy apart from this year. To the question why don't I use the front brake ,,,well I
do but its just I seem to use the rear more sometimes to slow me down and get better control ...but
imp no expert and am just now trying to put a little more into my riding than I used to do and just
wondered if spending 100 quid was a way forward .

Thanks again for all your advice will let you know how I get on.

Cheers./

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Quoted message said:

Son of Kendo said:

I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

disk brakes but have been offered a good deal on a shimano deore

Hydraulic

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

front system with wheel included think its a fir 370 or something like that ...not

sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first
..? I cannot work

out

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill

stuff

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not that I do mega stuff but I still like a challenge. Anyone any ideas

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for spare
parts etc . Any advice would be welcome

Thanks

The front brake has 80% of your bike's stopping power. You need to learn to use it on steep hills
so that when you do hit the 'big one' by accident, you're not lost.

BUT, I've heard of people using just the front disc -- leaving the read as V. I did that at first
for a similar reason to yours (for me, it was a Lefty fork that I just couldn't pass up and discs
are a must for lefty's 🙂). It worked ok, but I didn't like it because of the difference in feel
between the front and back. I kept underpowering or locking the rear. SO, father's day and my
birthday were close and I asked for a rear disc hub and matching disc brake 🙂)).

David

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"Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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| "Son of Kendo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
| > I'm still on v brakes but am in a dilemma ..I cannot afford a full set
of
| > disk brakes but have been offered a good deal on a shimano deore
Hydraulic
| > front system with wheel included think its a fir 370 or something like that ...not
sure
| > but hand built .for 100 notes ,, brand new . Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel
| > first ..? I cannot work
out
| > what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill
stuff
| > not that I do mega stuff but I still like a challenge. Anyone any ideas
and
| > are shimano deore brakes ok , any problems I should be thinking of .etc..still ok for spare
| > parts etc . Any advice would be welcome
| >
| > Thanks
| >
| >
|
| I'm not sure about the price but the Shimano Deore hydraulic are
reasonable
| brakes by from all reports. And being Shimano the pads and parts will be easily available. Or
| easily sourced at least. Go for the front first. The vast majority of your braking should be
| done with the front brakes anyway. You'll stop or slow much faster and with
more
| control by using the front brakes. When you brake the majority of the weight and force throws
| itself forwards and there is more downwards force and grip on the ground through the front
| wheel. The back wheel has little weight and grip on it and contributes much less to the braking.
| Of course loose surfaces present their own set of problems.
| --
| Westie

Damn now MV will campaign for no front brakes on mountainbikes. :o)

Simon

No, rear brakes alone are much more likely to skid - tearing up the soil adding to the problem of
erosion. Proper use of BOTH brakes is much better on trails and the environment (and your noggin).

-- The Ogre ogrehut.comogrehut.comOpen ↗

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Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions It sounds as if might

go

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for it then ...its a front wheel with a disk hub and a full shimano deore front brake . Its been
in the shop for a long time and the bike mechanic is getting desperate to sell it and keeps
badgering me everytime I go into his shop He is really a friend and riding partner sometimes but
will do and say almost anything to sell me things ;;-)) So its a good deal I suppose I ride in The
west coast of Scotland and

its

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nearly always muddy apart from this year. To the question why don't I use the front brake ,,,well
I do but its just I seem to use the rear more sometimes to slow me down and get better control
...but imp no expert and

am

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just now trying to put a little more into my riding than I used to do and just wondered if
spending 100 quid was a way forward .

Thanks again for all your advice will let you know how I get on.

Cheers./

Jim

Have fun. We'd love to get the feedback too.
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Westie

Son of Kendo said:

Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first ..?

Yes

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I cannot work out what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill stuff

Why not?

Price the Avid mechs.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Slacker said:

I loved the front so much that I just removed the rear and ran one brake for a little while, but I
don't suggest you doing this....

Not as much of a knuckle head as I thought you were.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 00:50:14 GMT, Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

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First off, try to honestly assess just how badly you really NEED those disc brakes. You mention you
don't do "mega stuff", so if you're not riding in lots o' sloppy conditions, the "value" might not
be all that great. By the time you get done changing out all the bits that you'll need to change,
the cost will probably be a lot more than you expected.

True.

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You might consider stashing away the money for the "upgrade"

I think what he meant to say was.

"You might consider stashing away the money for the SS"

Peace, Bill(Still very excited about my discs!)Wheeler The mind serves properly as a window glass
rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give an immediate view instead of an
interpretation of the world.
:-]

That is quite profound ......but if I think about it too much ,,,,I will fall off my bike .....;-))
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Son of Kendo said:

Now would I be better to go for a rear wheel first ..?

Yes

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I cannot work out what is best as I don't use my front brake that much on the downhill

stuff

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Why not?

Price the Avid mechs.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the
mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]