TdF on Terrestrial TV?

Katanga-Man said:

This old chestnut... Where is it this year on standard TV?
CH4 used to do a hour slot at tea time I remember last
year. I know Eurosport do a good job but I am not always
able to get this.

I can't believe one of the worlds top sporting events is
not deemed to be popular enough to show on normal TV when,
only a few weeks ago, a bunch of overpaid, overhyped,
jumped up prima donna puffs who we all knew were going to
loose badly anyway were being courted by prime time TV.

KM

ITV2 is as close as you'll get. We get it on our freeview
digi-box. Highlights between 7 and 8pm.

In article said:

This old chestnut... Where is it this year on standard TV?
CH4 used to do a hour slot at tea time I remember last
year. I know Eurosport do a good job but I am not always
able to get this.

ITV2 are showing it. Freeview box is sixty quid. If you
can't get Freeview where you live, I'm sorry to hear that.
If you've got some ludicrous objection in principle, then
you clearly didn't want to watch it enough.

ian

Simonb said:

Katanga-Man said:

This old chestnut... Where is it this year on standard
TV? CH4 used to do a hour slot at tea time I remember
last year. I know Eurosport do a good job but I am not
always able to get this.

I can't believe one of the worlds top sporting events is
not deemed to be popular enough to show on normal TV
when, only a few weeks ago, a bunch of overpaid,
overhyped, jumped up prima donna puffs who we all knew
were going to loose badly anyway were being courted by
prime time TV.

KM

ITV2 is as close as you'll get. We get it on our freeview
digi-box. Highlights between 7 and 8pm.

I believe theres an ITV1 weekly review show at the weekend

"Katanga-Man" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

This old chestnut... Where is it this year on standard TV?
CH4 used to do a hour slot at tea time I remember last
year. I know Eurosport do a good job but I am not always
able to get this.

I can't believe one of the worlds top sporting events is
not deemed to be popular enough to show on normal TV when,
only a few weeks ago, a bunch of overpaid, overhyped,
jumped up prima donna puffs who we all knew were going to
loose badly anyway were being courted by prime time TV.

KM

ITV1 have weekly highlights in the early hours of
Tuesday morning.

Ian G Batten:

Quoted message said:

ITV2 are showing it. Freeview box is sixty quid. If you
can't get Freeview where you live, I'm sorry to hear that.
If you've got some ludicrous objection in principle, then
you clearly didn't want to watch it enough.

In your desparate attempt to find an argument where there
isn't one, you've missed the point of the OP's post -
namely, why isn't such a major event given better coverage
on terrestrial TV? It's a perfectly fair question.

d.

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davek said:

Ian G Batten:

Quoted message said:

ITV2 are showing it. Freeview box is sixty quid. If you
can't get Freeview where you live, I'm sorry to hear
that. If you've got some ludicrous objection in
principle, then you clearly didn't want to watch it
enough.

In your desparate attempt to find an argument where there
isn't one, you've missed the point of the OP's post -
namely, why isn't such a major event given better coverage
on terrestrial TV? It's a perfectly fair question.

The fact that even on ITV2 the advertising is desperately
thin should tell you what you want to know. If anyone has
tapes of the last year of Channel 4's coverage, it would be
interesting to review the advertising that it pulled in.
Let's face it, for the casual viewer, a flat stage is as
dull as ditchwater.

ian

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Ian G Batten:

Quoted message said:

ITV2 are showing it. Freeview box is sixty quid. If you
can't get Freeview where you live, I'm sorry to hear
that. If you've got some ludicrous objection in
principle, then you clearly didn't want to watch it
enough.

In your desparate attempt to find an argument where there
isn't one, you've missed the point of the OP's post -
namely, why isn't such a major event given better coverage
on terrestrial TV? It's a perfectly fair question.

Because terrestrial analogue TV is an obsolete system which
isn't going to be supported at all in just a few years, and
the broadcasters assume that anyone who is interested in
watching anything has already invested in current generation
receiving equipment?

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davek said:

In your desparate attempt to find an argument where there
isn't one, you've missed the point of the OP's post -
namely, why isn't such a major event given better coverage
on terrestrial TV? It's a perfectly fair question.

And, sorry for a second reply, it _is_ on terrestrial TV.
ITV2. Analogue TV is the 405 line television of the 21st
century, and although (as I said originally) I have every
sympathy for people who cannot receive dttv, I have
approximately zero sympathy for people who can get it, but
choose not to. I believe the dttv roll-out now covers
something like 90% of the population. Hell, even my in-laws
--- the last people in Britain not to own a mobile phone
--- have bought a freeview decoder. Indeed, they bought a
Pace Twin.

ian

Simon Brooke:

Quoted message said:

Because terrestrial analogue TV is an obsolete system
which isn't going to be supported at all in just a few
years, and the broadcasters assume that anyone who is
interested in watching anything has already invested in
current generation receiving equipment?

If ITV are putting their TdF coverage on ITV2 as an attempt
to persuade people to switch to digital, they could at least
advertise it on ITV1.

d.

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davek said:

Simon Brooke:

Quoted message said:

Because terrestrial analogue TV is an obsolete system
which isn't going to be supported at all in just a few
years, and the broadcasters assume that anyone who is
interested in watching anything has already invested in
current generation receiving equipment?

If ITV are putting their TdF coverage on ITV2 as an
attempt to persuade people to switch to digital, they
could at least advertise it on ITV1.

By, as random examples, putting on a weekly highlights
programme on ITV1 and trailing the ITV2 coverage at the end
of other sporting events on ITV1? Yep, they're doing that.
Short of having a ticker at the bottom of the screen, I
don't see what more they can do.

And anyway, does anyone who would watch the TdF actually
watch ITV1 anyway? I mean, as a constant stream, not as
something for which you dive into to get the one programme
you want? If I didn't follow F1 I don't think I'd watch ITV
from one month's end to the next, and certainly not to the
point of seeing programme trailers. When I do watch ITV1 or
ITV2 I use the Twin to start watching 15 minutes per hour
after the programme started, skip over the adverts, and
arrive at the end as it finishes.

ian

Ian G Batten said:

And anyway, does anyone who would watch the TdF actually
watch ITV1 anyway?

Yes. It has "Taggart".

The Scotsman did it.

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Dave Larrington said:

Ian G Batten said:

And anyway, does anyone who would watch the TdF actually
watch ITV1 anyway?

Yes. It has "Taggart".

I stopped watching it when it stopped being Taggart.

Anyway, all geeks get their police procedural fix from Law
and Order and CSI (but not, of course, the milquetoast
substitute that is CSI:Miami. Well, not unless there's
nothing else on).

I bet you that the (Li|U)nix-using, TdF watching masses
watch Scrapheap and Extreme Archaeology on C4 (mostly to
letch after the delicious Katie Hurst, of course), CSI and
possibly Law and Order on 5 and, er, not a lot else...

ian

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in message <[email hidden]>, davek

(') said:

you've missed the point of the OP's post - namely, why
isn't such a major event given better coverage on
terrestrial TV? It's a perfectly fair question.

Because terrestrial analogue TV is an obsolete system
which isn't going to be supported at all in just a few
years, and the broadcasters assume that anyone who is
interested in watching anything has already invested in
current generation receiving equipment?

but digital tv has worse coverage (weren't we told that it
would improve) doesn't offer significantly better reception
(dtt is a bit better but my friends with cable and satellite
tell me that the bit rates are so low that the quality is
[censored] and anyway analogue telly is good enough already) and
the degradation as signal strength drops means it becomes
unwatchable long before proper telly. It has the added
disadvantage of offering more channels which only tempts TV
companies to fill them up. If analogue telly was switched
off I would need to spend somewhere between GBP500 and 1000
to achieve the same level of functionality in terms of
integration of multiple tuners with recording and playback
equipment. Where's my motivation?

My last telly was 25+ years old when I upgraded (more than
one owner, my gran was an early adopter of colour tv) and it
still works now at 30 years so natural wastage is going to
take a while

best wishes james

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james said:

but digital tv has worse coverage (weren't we told that it
would improve) doesn't offer significantly better
reception (dtt is a bit better but my friends with cable
and satellite tell me that the bit rates are so low that
the quality is [censored] and anyway analogue telly is good
enough already)

They probably told you not to bother with CDs, as Vinyl was
better. DTT offers massively improved reception in areas
with multipath --- like where I live --- and the bit rates
are excellent.

And anyway, one cannot help but be reminded of the NAIM
tuner gang, endlessly harping on about the subtle analogue
quality of Radio 3, utterly deaf to the fact that unless
they live close to Crystal Palace all the radio stuff is
distributed with NICAM anyway.

Quoted message said:

and the degradation as signal strength drops means it
becomes unwatchable long before proper telly. It has the

So what? Unless you plan to move your house up the road each
night, once it's in and working, it's in and working. I
didn't touch either the aerial or the preamp and it simply
dropped in and worked better.

Quoted message said:

companies to fill them up. If analogue telly was switched
off I would need to spend somewhere between GBP500 and
1000 to achieve the same level of functionality in terms
of integration of multiple tuners with recording and
playback equipment. Where's my motivation?

Well, you can join the vinyl gang: constantly harping on
(wrongly) about the quality of their material, ignoring the
fact that for practical purposes nothing new has been
released on vinyl in a decade. Analogue will become a
dumping ground for dross --- all the decent BBC
documentaries have already flown the coop to BBC4, for
example --- until its shutoff. Analogue radio may last a
little longer, mostly because the frequencies it uses are
less desirable.

Quoted message said:

My last telly was 25+ years old when I upgraded (more than
one owner, my gran was an early adopter of colour tv) and
it still works now at 30 years so natural wastage is going
to take a while

``I'm not going to buy a CD player, my Thorens TD160 +
Mission 774 does the job just as well''. igb, circa 1987.

``My DAC is great, I can plumb my Minidisc, Pace Twin and CD
transport into it and get the same quality out of each
source''. igb, circa 2004.

ian

Ian G Batten <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, davek

Quoted message said:

In your desparate attempt to find an argument where
there isn't one, you've missed the point of the OP's
post - namely, why isn't such a major event given better
coverage on terrestrial TV? It's a perfectly fair
question.

And, sorry for a second reply, it _is_ on terrestrial TV.
ITV2. Analogue TV is the 405 line television of the 21st
century, and although (as I said originally) I have every
sympathy for people who cannot receive dttv, I have
approximately zero sympathy for people who can get it, but
choose not to. I believe the dttv roll-out now covers
something like 90% of the population. Hell, even my in-
laws --- the last people in Britain not to own a mobile
phone --- have bought a freeview decoder. Indeed, they
bought a Pace Twin.

I'm waiting for this, my aerial is rubbish anyway so kills
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ainment/tv_and_radio/3791787.stm

"davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ian G Batten:

Quoted message said:

ITV2 are showing it. Freeview box is sixty quid. If you
can't get Freeview where you live, I'm sorry to hear
that. If you've got some ludicrous objection in
principle, then you clearly didn't want to watch it
enough.

In your desparate attempt to find an argument where there
isn't one,

you've

Quoted message said:

missed the point of the OP's post - namely, why isn't such
a major event given better coverage on terrestrial TV?
It's a perfectly fair question.

<\pedant on> ITV2 *is* terrestrial tv <\pedant off>

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Dave Larrington:

Quoted message said:

Yes. It has "Taggart".

The Scotsman did it.

In a bizarre episode that illustrates the limited pool of
Scottish acting talent, I recently saw an ancient episode of
Taggart on Plus in which the criminal was none other than
Alex Norton.

d.

Ian G Batten <[email hidden]> wrote in news:ccjfol$lne$1@news-
out.ftel.co.uk:

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I bet you that the (Li|U)nix-using, TdF watching masses
watch Scrapheap

You don't get that over here :-( How else am I going to plan
what to do with all this junk I pick up?

Graeme

"davek" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:ccjrkm$cfr$2
@titan.btinternet.com:

Quoted message said:

In a bizarre episode that illustrates the limited pool of
Scottish acting talent, I recently saw an ancient episode
of Taggart on Plus in which the criminal was none other
than Alex Norton.

The acting of most of the characters is criminal. I used to
think the take offs of Taggert (was it The Fast Show or Dead
Ringers?) over-did the "muRRRdeRRR" bit. But having seen it
here in Australia on the ABC where I'm no longer surrounded
by familiar Scottish accents I think they're spot on.

"Somebody's been muRRRdeRRRd" is uttered (or utterrrrd) at
least once an episode :-)

Graeme