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  1. Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first
    noticed something was wrong when I heard the front cog
    hitting against the front derailleur once every revolution
    of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was actually bent
    and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was
    a little loose and could be jiggled a little. The join
    between the front cog and the right pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the
    front cog. Some photos are here:

    xlk.org.ukmodules.php
    op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride
    my bike with this fracture? Do I need a new front cog &
    right pedal?

    Thanks, Jack

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  2. Sorry guys, it looks like my web host has gone offline.

    Here are some photos that work:

    Try these links:

    ucl.ac.ukfracture1.jpg
    ucl.ac.ukfracture2.jpg
    ucl.ac.ukfracture3.jpg

    Thanks! Jack

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    Quoted message said:

    Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first
    noticed something was wrong when I heard the front cog
    hitting against the front derailleur once every revolution
    of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was actually
    bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog
    was a little


    loose

    Quoted message said:

    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front
    cog and the


    right

    Quoted message said:

    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the
    front cog.


    Some

    Quoted message said:

    photos are here:


    xlk.org.ukmodules.php
    op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Quoted message said:


    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride
    my bike with this fracture? Do I need a new front cog &
    right pedal?

    Thanks, Jack

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  3. Daniel Kelly (AKA Jack) said:
    Quoted message said:

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first
    noticed something was wrong when I heard the front cog
    hitting against the front derailleur once every revolution
    of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was actually
    bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog
    was a little loose

    Quoted message said:

    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front
    cog and the right pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the
    front cog.

    Some

    Quoted message said:

    photos are here:


    ucl.ac.ukfracture1.jpg
    ucl.ac.ukfracture2.jpg
    ucl.ac.ukfracture3.jpg

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is this a fracture?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If so, how dangerous is it?

    Not very.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can I ride my bike with this fracture?

    Probably, but it may cause shifting problems or chain rub.

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    Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    You need a new crank, but there's no reason to think you
    need a pedal.

    It seems you're a bit confused on the usual terminology.

    The part you refer to as the front "cog" is more commonly
    called a chainring or chainwheel.

    The part you refer to as the "pedal" is actually the crank.
    In this case the chainrings are permanently attached to the
    crank (though not as permanently as one might wish!)

    Higher-quality cranks generally have the chainrings bolted
    to them, so you could replace the chainrings without buying
    a new crank, but yours is not like this.

    The pedal is the part you actually put your foot on. It
    screws into the crank.

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  4. It looks to me like the break is right at the spline which
    transmits all the pedalling torque to all three rings. If
    this opens a little bit while you are pressing hard on a
    pedal, the whole thing could slip or collapse. Don't pedal
    very hard until you get it replaced--the sooner the better.

  5. Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\) said:

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first
    noticed something was wrong when I heard the front cog
    hitting against the front derailleur once every
    revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to
    the front derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the
    front cog was a little loose and could be jiggled a
    little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the
    front cog. Some photos are here:


    [snipped]

    Quoted message said:


    Is this a fracture?

    Yes. It looks like you've got a typical non-repairable crank
    set there. The large and small sprockets (also called
    chainrings) are both riveted to the middle-size one, and the
    middle sprocket has the splines broached into the center to
    mate with the hub. Unfortunately, these almost never can be
    disassembled nondestructively, and no replacement parts for
    the individual pieces are sold in any event.

    Quoted message said:

    If so, how dangerous is it?

    It will continue to wear away at the teeth of the splined
    stub on the crank, and will get wobblier as it does so,
    eventually failing in a rather final manner if your patience
    isn't tried to the point of launching it into the North Sea
    first due to the chain rubbing and such.

    Quoted message said:

    Can I ride my bike with this fracture?

    For a while, with increasing inconvenience, probably yes. It
    is, however, very difficult to forecast the rate of
    deterioration.

    Quoted message said:

    Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    You need what is called a "crank set" by some vendors, a
    "chain set" by others. The terminological uncertainty is
    vexing. What you will buy is two cranks (the arms into which
    the pedals are screwed), of which one will have a set of
    sprockets on it.

    Count the teeth on the old sprockets and shop for a crank
    set whose tooth count and crank length (probably 170mm, but
    measure to make sure) matches what you have now. Your old
    one looks like a Sunrace Apex set; you won't find the same
    make and model available as a spare in all likelihood, but
    there are a number of alternate choices available.

    Bear in mind that you may need to replace the bottom bracket
    (this is the confusing name used in the industry for the
    bearing and shaft assembly on which the cranks are mounted)
    if the length of your existing shaft is not a close match
    for the requirements of the replacement cranks.

    If there is a shop in your area which acts as a breaking
    yard for old bikes, you might be able to secure a used
    replacement crank and sprockets from them inexpensively. If
    this is a bike that you rely upon for transportation, I
    would advise buying new.
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  6. Daniel Kelly (AKA Jack) said:

    Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first
    noticed something was wrong when I heard the front cog
    hitting against the front derailleur once every
    revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to
    the front derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the
    front cog was a little loose and could be jiggled a
    little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the
    front cog. Some photos are here:

    xlk.org.ukmodules.php
    &op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride
    my bike with this fracture? Do I need a new front cog &
    right pedal?

    Thanks, Jack

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    Jack - your crankset appears to be worn out. You need at
    least a new crankset, but more likely a new drive train...
    chain, crankset (front chainrings & pedal crankarms in your
    case), rear casset. It's a pity, but metal wears down.
    Best, Bernie

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  7. An excellent summary of the problem and solution.

    I might add that frequently the chain stretches over time
    and begins to chew into the side of the chainring teeth. It
    also chews into the teeth of the rear cassette (the cluster
    of rings on the back wheel). So if you replace the
    chainrings, the old chain may give poor performance -
    grinding, chain suck and such. I found that I had to replace
    them as a set on my bike.

    Luckily I had a newer cassette to replace my old one on the
    back wheel. Otherwise the new chain probably would have had
    bad shifting and skipping on the rear cassette. Hope this
    doesn't happen to you, but be aware that if the new crankset
    causes noise in the rear of your drive train, that's likely
    the cause.

    Cheers Gary

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    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:03:27 CST, "Daniel Kelly \(AKA
    Jack\)"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    < snip >

    Quoted message said:

    Bear in mind that you may need to replace the bottom
    bracket (this is the confusing name used in the
    industry for the bearing and shaft assembly on which
    the cranks are mounted) if the length of your existing
    shaft is not a close match for the requirements of the
    replacement cranks.

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  8. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Bernie

    BDaniel Kelly (AKA Jack) said:

    Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first
    noticed something was wrong when I heard the front cog
    hitting against the front derailleur once every
    revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to
    the front derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the
    front cog was a little loose and could be jiggled a
    little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the
    front cog. Some photos are here:

    xlk.org.ukmodules.php
    &op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride
    my bike with this fracture? Do I need a new front cog &
    right pedal?

    Thanks, Jack

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    Jack - your crankset appears to be worn out. You need at
    least a new crankset, but more likely a new drive train...
    chain, crankset (front chainrings & pedal crankarms in your
    case), rear casset. It's a pity, but metal wears down.
    Best, Bernie

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    To expand on what Bernie said, the teeth have worn on the edge engaging the chain. That is apparent because the teeth are no longer symmetric front-rear giving an appearance of the teeth leaning to the side. The sprockets spread the load over fewer teeth so sprockets wear out faster. The chains typically wear out at least as fast as the cassettes. Only if the ring wear was a result of a previous chain’s damage and if the chain had been on only a short while might your current chain be ok, and the only if the cassettes have likewise been changed subsequent replacement of the stretched chain and might they be ok.

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