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  1. Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little loose
    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog. Some
    photos are here:

    http://www.xlk.org.uk/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=Bike&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture? Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    Thanks,
    Jack

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  2. Sorry guys, it looks like my web host has gone offline.

    Here are some photos that work:

    Try these links:

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture1.jpg
    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture2.jpg
    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture3.jpg

    Thanks!
    Jack

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    Quoted message said:

    Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little


    loose

    Quoted message said:

    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the


    right

    Quoted message said:

    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog.


    Some

    Quoted message said:

    photos are here:


    http://www.xlk.org.uk/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=Bike&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Quoted message said:


    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture? Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    Thanks,
    Jack

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  3. Daniel Kelly (AKA Jack) said:
    Quoted message said:

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little
    loose

    Quoted message said:

    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the
    right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog.

    Some

    Quoted message said:

    photos are here:


    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture1.jpg
    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture2.jpg
    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadak/fracture3.jpg

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is this a fracture?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If so, how dangerous is it?

    Not very.

    Quoted message said:
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    Can I ride my bike with this fracture?

    Probably, but it may cause shifting problems or chain rub.

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    Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    You need a new crank, but there's no reason to think you need a pedal.

    It seems you're a bit confused on the usual terminology.

    The part you refer to as the front "cog" is more commonly called a
    chainring or chainwheel.

    The part you refer to as the "pedal" is actually the crank. In this
    case the chainrings are permanently attached to the crank (though not as
    permanently as one might wish!)

    Higher-quality cranks generally have the chainrings bolted to them, so
    you could replace the chainrings without buying a new crank, but yours
    is not like this.

    The pedal is the part you actually put your foot on. It screws into the
    crank.

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  4. It looks to me like the break is right at the spline which transmits all the
    pedalling torque to all three rings. If this opens a little bit while you
    are pressing hard on a pedal, the whole thing could slip or collapse. Don't
    pedal very hard until you get it replaced--the sooner the better.

  5. Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\) said:

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little loose
    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog. Some
    photos are here:


    [snipped]

    Quoted message said:


    Is this a fracture?

    Yes. It looks like you've got a typical non-repairable crank set
    there. The large and small sprockets (also called chainrings) are
    both riveted to the middle-size one, and the middle sprocket has the
    splines broached into the center to mate with the hub. Unfortunately,
    these almost never can be disassembled nondestructively, and no
    replacement parts for the individual pieces are sold in any event.

    Quoted message said:

    If so, how dangerous is it?

    It will continue to wear away at the teeth of the splined stub on the
    crank, and will get wobblier as it does so, eventually failing in a
    rather final manner if your patience isn't tried to the point of
    launching it into the North Sea first due to the chain rubbing and
    such.

    Quoted message said:

    Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture?

    For a while, with increasing inconvenience, probably yes. It is,
    however, very difficult to forecast the rate of deterioration.

    Quoted message said:

    Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    You need what is called a "crank set" by some vendors, a "chain set"
    by others. The terminological uncertainty is vexing. What you will
    buy is two cranks (the arms into which the pedals are screwed), of
    which one will have a set of sprockets on it.

    Count the teeth on the old sprockets and shop for a crank set whose
    tooth count and crank length (probably 170mm, but measure to make
    sure) matches what you have now. Your old one looks like a Sunrace
    Apex set; you won't find the same make and model available as a spare
    in all likelihood, but there are a number of alternate choices
    available.

    Bear in mind that you may need to replace the bottom bracket (this is
    the confusing name used in the industry for the bearing and shaft
    assembly on which the cranks are mounted) if the length of your
    existing shaft is not a close match for the requirements of the
    replacement cranks.

    If there is a shop in your area which acts as a breaking yard for old
    bikes, you might be able to secure a used replacement crank and
    sprockets from them inexpensively. If this is a bike that you rely
    upon for transportation, I would advise buying new.
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  6. Daniel Kelly (AKA Jack) said:

    Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed something
    was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the front derailleur
    once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the front cog was
    actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to the front
    derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a little loose
    and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front cog and the right
    pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog. Some
    photos are here:

    http://www.xlk.org.uk/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=Bike&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture? Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    Thanks,
    Jack

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    Jack - your crankset appears to be worn out.
    You need at least a new crankset, but more likely a new drive train...
    chain, crankset (front chainrings & pedal crankarms in your case), rear
    casset. It's a pity, but metal wears down.
    Best, Bernie

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  7. An excellent summary of the problem and solution.

    I might add that frequently the chain stretches over time and begins to chew
    into the side of the chainring teeth. It also chews into the teeth of the
    rear cassette (the cluster of rings on the back wheel). So if you replace
    the chainrings, the old chain may give poor performance - grinding, chain
    suck and such. I found that I had to replace them as a set on my bike.

    Luckily I had a newer cassette to replace my old one on the back wheel.
    Otherwise the new chain probably would have had bad shifting and skipping on
    the rear cassette. Hope this doesn't happen to you, but be aware that if
    the new crankset causes noise in the rear of your drive train, that's likely
    the cause.

    Cheers
    Gary

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    On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:03:27 CST, "Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\)"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    < snip >

    Quoted message said:

    Bear in mind that you may need to replace the bottom bracket (this is
    the confusing name used in the industry for the bearing and shaft
    assembly on which the cranks are mounted) if the length of your
    existing shaft is not a close match for the requirements of the
    replacement cranks.

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  8. Bernie said:
    Daniel Kelly (AKA Jack) said:

    Dear Bikers,

    I fear my bike has a fracture in its front cog. I first noticed
    something was wrong when I heard the front cog hitting against the
    front derailleur once every revolution of the pedals. It turned out the
    front cog was actually bent and so "wobbled" as it rotated, relative to
    the front derailleur. Closer inspection showed that the front cog was a
    little loose and could be jiggled a little. The join between the front
    cog and the right pedal was clearly loose.

    I took the right pedal off and found a little crack in the front cog.
    Some photos are here:

    http://www.xlk.org.uk/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=Bike-
    http://www.xlk.org.uk/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=Bike-
    &op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

    Is this a fracture? If so, how dangerous is it? Can I ride my bike with
    this fracture? Do I need a new front cog & right pedal?

    Thanks, Jack

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    Jack - your crankset appears to be worn out. You need at least a new
    crankset, but more likely a new drive train... chain, crankset (front
    chainrings & pedal crankarms in your case), rear casset. It's a pity,
    but metal wears down. Best, Bernie
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    To expand on what Bernie said, the teeth have worn on the edge engaging
    the chain. That is apparent because the teeth are no longer symmetric
    front-rear giving an appearance of the teeth leaning to the side. The
    sprockets spread the load over fewer teeth so sprockets wear out faster.
    The chains typically wear out at least as fast as the cassettes. Only if
    the ring wear was a result of a previous chain’s damage and if the chain
    had been on only a short while might your current chain be ok, and the
    only if the cassettes have likewise been changed subsequent replacement
    of the stretched chain and might they be ok.

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