stuck free/wheel

Rob said:

Hi I have a old 6 speed free wheel that is stuck on the
bike...It is the two prong suntour type..I have the correct
tool..but it is stuck on the hub...yes it is the thread on
type..it is on a old solid disk wheel ( Road Bike ) so I
don't want to use to much force..is there a trick to get
these off ?

Use a bench vise to hold the tool itself. Be sure that you
are turning in the right direction- counterclockwise when
the tool is in a bench vise.

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In the future how can one take steps to prevent this from
happening ?

Grease the threads of the freewheel and the hub. Every year
or two be sure to pull the freewheel and regrease.

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Hi I have a old 6 speed free wheel that is stuck on the
bike...It is the two prong suntour type..I have the
correct tool..but it is stuck on the hub...yes it is the
thread on type..it is on a old solid disk wheel (

Road

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Bike ) so I don't want to use to much force..is there a
trick to get

these

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off ?

Use a bench vise to hold the tool itself. Be sure that you
are turning in the right direction- counterclockwise when
the tool is in a bench vise.

Hi I tried the bench vice with no luck..should I try and
spray some wd-40 on the threads from the other side ?

Rob

You could dis-assemble the freewheel and apply some heat to
it from a propane torch.

Lewis.

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Quoted message said:

Hi I have a old 6 speed free wheel that is stuck on the
bike...It is the two prong suntour type..I have the
correct tool..but it is stuck on the hub...yes it is the
thread on type..it is on a old solid disk wheel ( Road
Bike ) so I don't want to use to much force..is there a
trick to get these off ? In the future how can one take
steps to prevent this from happening ?

Thanks

Rob

Rob said:

Hi I tried the bench vice with no luck..should I try and
spray some wd-40 on the threads from the other side ?

Rob

I'd get some liquid wrench or other penetrating oil other
than wd-40. Keep applying it from both sides. After that, I
don't know.

This question came up in the last few months and there was
a discussion of the best ways to deal with this problem by
people with much more experience than me. You should
google it.

Rob said:

Hi I have a old 6 speed free wheel that is stuck on the
bike...It is the two prong suntour type..I have the correct
tool..but it is stuck on the hub...yes it is the thread on
type..it is on a old solid disk wheel ( Road Bike ) so I
don't want to use to much force..is there a trick to get
these off ? In the future how can one take steps to prevent
this from happening ?

I assume that you have the correct tool in hand, and that
the freewheel's mating surfaces for the tool are undamaged;
if so, take the wheel and the tool to the nearest automotive
repair shop and ask them to spin the freewheel off with an
impact wrench. I have yet to see a freewheel that could
resist this approach as long as it had intact removal
splines or recesses.
--
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reply via email. Surrealism is a pectinated ranzel.

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You could dis-assemble the freewheel and apply some heat
to it from a propane torch.

Lewis.

Wrong strategy- assuming the freewheel body is steel and the
hub is aluminum, the hub will expand more than the freewheel
when heat is applied. This will lock the parts together even
more than they are now.

It would be good to know what kind of "disk" wheel the
OP has, also. Many of them have hubs that are bonded
(aka glued) to composite parts. Heat would probably
ruin the glue.

If it's really resistant, I'd try filling the space between
the right side of the axle and the freewheel with
penetrating oil and then letting it sit overnight. After
that, I'd try again with the bench vise.

FWIW: I've seen a disk wheel (an old Sugino honeycomb core
unit) where the hub was ripped away from the rest of the
wheel after an attempt was made to remove the freewheel. You
are wise to be cautious.

Jeff

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Hi I tried the bench vice with no luck..should I try and
spray some wd-40 on the threads from the other side ?

Go to your local car parts place and get a can of P-
Blaster. It is much better than Wd-40 when it comes to
getting parts loose.
------------
Alex

Use the skewer to clamp the freewheel tool down, just
loose enough so you can get about 1/4 turn out of it. You
should be able to turn it at this point, with a large
wrench on the f/w.

-pete

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Quoted message said:

Hi I have a old 6 speed free wheel that is stuck on the
bike...It is the two prong suntour type..I have the
correct tool..but it is stuck on the hub...yes it is the
thread on type..it is on a old solid disk wheel ( Road
Bike ) so I don't want to use to much force..is there a
trick to get these off ? In the future how can one take
steps to prevent this from happening

?

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Thanks

Rob

On 2 Jul 2004 09:50:07 -0700, [email hidden] (Jeff Wills)

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Wrong strategy- assuming the freewheel body is steel and
the hub is aluminum, the hub will expand more than the
freewheel when heat is applied. This will lock the parts
together even more than they are now.

Cool it, then, with an inverted can of air duster or a
CO2 inflator.
--
Rick Onanian

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Originally posted by Rick Onanian
On 2 Jul 2004 09:50:07 -0700, [email hidden] (Jeff Wills)

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Wrong strategy- assuming the freewheel body is steel and
the hub is aluminum, the hub will expand more than the
freewheel when heat is applied. This will lock the parts
together even more than they are now.

Cool it, then, with an inverted can of air duster or a
CO2 inflator.
--
Rick Onanian

Better yet, you should be able to find a block of dry ice. Chill the entire freewheel by setting it on the block and cover with a towel for a few minutes. This may work but if it doesn't, take the cogs off and carefully apply aqua ammonia to the threaded joint. This will dissolve any aluminum oxide that may have formed on the steel/aluminum thread contact pair.

Rob Marathon said:

Hi I have a old 6 speed free wheel that is stuck on the
bike. It is the two prong SunTour type. I have the correct
tool but the freewheel is stuck on the hub. It is the
thread on type and is on an old solid disk wheel so I
don't want to use too much force. Is there a trick to get
these off?

That it is a two tab remover isn't so good because that may
shear the tabs. However, as has been suggested, put the
remover tool in a solid bench vise, tighten the remover onto
the face of the freewheel using the QR skewer of the wheel
and apply torque to the wheel in the mode of a steering
wheel. In this way both tabs are stressed and the chance of
stripping the freewheel tabs is reduced. Note that the QR
thread is a different pitch than the freewheel and must be
backed out once the freewheel loosens or you will strip the
threads on the QR as it gets extremely tight.

This removal requires a great torque and as suggested,
freezing the hub may help. I have always succeeded in
getting freewheels of except where the tabs were sheared
off. IN that case the freewheel must be disassembled on the
wheel by removing the bearing cone, the cover with two small
bores in it. This is a left hand thread and is removed by
using a punch that fits into one of these holes and a
hammer. Once removed the rest of the freewheel outer body
comes off, spilling pawls and 1/8" bearing balls all over.

Using a large plumber's pipe wrench the inner body comes of
relatively easily. Throw the whole mess away and get a
better freewheel if you must use that wheel again. This may
not be easy because such freewheels or ones similar are no
longer made for your bicycle.

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In the future how can one take steps to prevent this from
happening?

Lubricate the threads with 90W or 140W gear lubricant and
use only freewheels that also offer a good remover tool.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Rob Marathon said:

Hi I have a old 6 speed free wheel that is stuck on the
bike. It is the two prong SunTour type. I have the correct
tool but the freewheel is stuck on the hub. It is the
thread on type and is on an old solid disk wheel so I
don't want to use too much force. Is there a trick to get
these off?

That it is a two tab remover isn't so good because that may
shear the tabs. However, as has been suggested, put the
remover tool in a solid bench vise, tighten the remover onto
the face of the freewheel using the QR skewer of the wheel
and apply torque to the wheel in the mode of a steering
wheel. In this way both tabs are stressed and the chance of
stripping the freewheel tabs is reduced. Note that the QR
thread is a different pitch than the freewheel and must be
backed out once the freewheel loosens or you will strip the
threads on the QR as it gets extremely tight.

This removal requires a great torque and as suggested,
freezing the hub may help. I have always succeeded in
getting freewheels off except where the tabs sheared off. In
that case the freewheel must be disassembled on the wheel by
removing the bearing cone, the cover with two small bores in
it. This is a left hand thread and is removed by using a
punch that fits into one of these holes and a hammer to
drive it around to loosen it. Once removed, the rest of the
freewheel outer body with sprockets will come off, spilling
pawls and 1/8" bearing balls all over.

Using a large plumber's pipe wrench on the body, it can be
removed relatively easily. Throw the whole mess away and get
a better freewheel if you must use that wheel again. This
may not be easy because such freewheels or ones similar are
no longer made for your bicycle.

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In the future how can one take steps to prevent this from
happening?

Lubricate the threads with 90W or 140W gear lubricant and
use only freewheels that offer a good remover tool, four
pronged or splined.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Dan,
When I service my cassette I use an air ratchet like used in autobody shop.
I hold the cassette with a gloved hand and the with the other hand operate
the air ratchet. (for removal only) If you can figure a way to attatch one
of these kind of air tools it might help you get the thing apart. (no
guarantees)
I think the kind of removal tool for your cassette/freewheel is locked into
a vise and then you turn the wheel to remove. (lots of force) If you can get
the air hammer thing to work it would be great.
Hope this helps.
Greg
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Rob said:

Hi I tried the bench vice with no luck..should I try and
spray some wd-40

on

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the threads from the other side ?

Rob

I'd get some liquid wrench or other penetrating oil other
than wd-40. Keep applying it from both sides. After that,
I don't know.

This question came up in the last few months and there was
a discussion of the best ways to deal with this problem by
people with much more experience than me. You should
google it.

Thanks for all your help..but I still can`t get it off...I
have tried the liquid wrench and the bench vice....with the
remover snug with an old skewer...and yes I am turning the
correct way...I was wondering should I use a BIG wrench with
a pipe on the end ? would I get more torque than using the
vice ? I am scared to take it to the bike shop as I am
afraid they may wreck the disk..it is a honey comb type
disk..kinda like an aerosports disk..however this disk was
made at the University of Texas by some student a few year
back as a class project..he did a good job in making it.

Rob

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Hi I have a old 6 speed free wheel that is stuck on the
bike. It is the two prong SunTour type. I have the
correct tool but the freewheel is stuck on the hub. It
is the thread on type and is on an old solid disk wheel
so I don't want to use too much force. Is

Rob said:

Thanks for all your help..but I still can`t get it off...I
have tried the liquid wrench and the bench vice....with
the remover snug with an old skewer...and yes I am turning
the correct way...I was wondering should I use a BIG
wrench with a pipe on the end ? would I get more torque
than using the vice ? I am scared to take it to the bike
shop as I am afraid they may wreck the disk..it is a honey
comb type disk..kinda like an aerosports disk..however
this disk was made at the University of Texas by some
student a few year back as a class project..he did a good
job in making it.

ive taken em off with an air chisel, with a pointy end
attachment. the combination of vibration and air hammering
does the trick.

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Thanks for all your help..but I still can`t get it off...I
have tried the liquid wrench and the bench vice....with
the remover snug with an old skewer...and yes I am turning
the correct way...

Put some effort into it! If you haven't gotten it off in a
vise using all your might, you aren't strong enough. Have
someone help you twist the sucker off. I've never seen a
freewheel that two people can't either break free, or
destroy the tool and splines trying. It is not challenging
to do this. You're thinking too hard and flexing too little.

-Vee

Rob said:

Thanks for all your help..but I still can`t get it off...I
have tried the liquid wrench and the bench vice....with
the remover snug with an old skewer...and yes I am turning
the correct way...I was wondering should I use a BIG
wrench with a pipe on the end ? would I get more torque
than using the vice ? I am scared to take it to the bike
shop as I am afraid they may wreck the disk..it is a honey
comb type disk..kinda like an aerosports disk..however
this disk was made at the University of Texas by some
student a few year back as a class project..he did a good
job in making it.

-snip-

If the tool is properly mounted in the freewheel and secured
with a skewer, and if the tool is held firmly in a bench
vise, just get someone else to lend a hand while you briskly
and forcefully unscrew the wheel. It will go. Next time use
an anti-sieze compound on the threads.

I'm curious - was that Texas wheel called a "CMXL" wheel?

--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
April, 1971

Freewheels suck all the precautions that can be used don't
help. Pedaling force tightens that freewheel. The best is to
replace that wheel with a freehub wheel and cassettte. I
have one freewheel left and when that goes it will be
replaced also. I still have a hub that so much force was
used trying to get the freewheel off the spokes broke. My
next move is to cut and slit it free.

I MTB 2004

Although I must admit there were a few that were
difficult, in years of shop experience, there was never a
freewheel I could not remove. The right (sometimes brand
new) tool, a skewer and a vice were all that were ever
needed. Now, if someone DID cut the spokes, thats another
problem all-together.

Note that there are some freewheel designs that made the
chore of removal more difficult than others, and if someone
went at the freewheel with the wrong tool or without
tightening down with a skewer, it may hose the notches.
THEN, you may be ready for a new wheel. All in all, it is -
as usual - a judgement call. Is it worth taking the time and
money (assuming you are paying a shop to do it) to remove
the old freewheel, or would that cost be better spent on a
new wheel and cassette? Definitely consider those options
before worrying about removal.

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:29:20 -0400, [email hidden]

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Freewheels suck all the precautions that
can be used don't help. Pedaling force
tightens that freewheel. The best is to
replace that wheel with a freehub wheel and
cassettte. I have one freewheel left and
when that goes it will be replaced also. I
still have a hub that so much force was
used trying to get the freewheel off the
spokes broke. My next move is to cut and
slit it free.

I MTB 2004