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  1. Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only
    positive ones.

    <thisisplymouth.co.ukdisplayNode.jsp
    wPage&nodeId=1331 64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date : 02.06.04

    How care unit helped these parents in distress

    Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The
    Terraces day unit last year. Today his parents Theresa and
    Jason spoke of the 'invaluable' service it provides.

    Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity
    Disorder (ADHD) at four and has since been diagnosed with
    Tourette's Syndrome and Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

    Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due to his
    hyperactivity, inability to pay attention and interaction
    with other children. He was also quite aggressive, due to
    frustration at his speech problems.

    As the time neared for him to start school, mum Theresa,
    aged 40, grew increasingly concerned and contacted Dr Sara
    Walker, consultant child psychiatrist at The Terraces at
    Mount Gould Hospital for her help. She met the family, from
    Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed with ADHD.

    "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a
    problem," said Theresa. "I knew it wasn't just ordinary
    hyperactiveness. But in another way I wasn't relieved. Back
    then a lot of people didn't believe in ADHD: they thought it
    was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because Jordan's
    disability is in his head and not physical, people can't see
    it. People just think it's bad behaviour."

    Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put on
    Ritalin which helped him get through the school day.

    Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as best we
    could. Our main aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."

    By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a navy
    petty officer caterer, had begun noticing more problems,
    such as facial expressions, eye movements and vocal tics.
    After further assessment, Jordan was diagnosed with
    Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on different
    medication. But his behaviour in school grew worse, and in
    the end Theresa kept him at home for a week to reassess his
    drug regime.

    "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very, very
    unruly and depressed," she said. "He was spending most of
    his day outside the classroom."

    Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his
    behaviour immediately settled down. He was then
    'statemented', meaning he was recognised as needing teaching
    support in class.

    When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again. "The
    Risperdal wasn't enough on its own to get him through the
    day. He was getting louder and more active at home and I was
    finding it hard to keep up with him."

    He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the
    Risperdal as well, to help him shut down at night.

    But by last summer the problems in school had not eased, so
    it was suggested to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend
    time at The Terraces. Their initial reaction was to say no,
    and they admit the thought of sending their son there
    scared them.

    Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of school, is
    he going to go back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in
    mainstream schooling. We don't expect him to be top of the
    class, we just want him to be given the opportunity of a
    good mainstream education."

    The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour as
    best they could, until the subject of The Terraces was
    broached again by Dr Walker at the end of last year. This
    time Theresa and Jason agreed, and before Christmas Jordan
    went to the unit every day for six weeks to be assessed.

    The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at
    the end of the assessment period they had a meeting with
    Dr Walker.

    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had
    Autistic Spectrum Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us
    sideways. He already had ADHD, then Tourette's Syndrome, and
    then we were hit with something else. But the autism made us
    understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing
    pieces of the jigsaw. It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at
    school and he went to the unit. We don't know if he would
    ever have got the autism diagnosis otherwise."

    He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary school
    in his last year but, having been there, you can't praise
    them enough. The work they have done will make such an
    important mark on him, and at such an important stage in his
    schooling."

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's
    conditions, and say they still treat him like any other
    11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's
    Syndrome, but we still apply the same rules as we did with
    our teenage daughter Jenna. We don't use the titles to our
    advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them as an excuse
    for bad behaviour.

    "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're out in
    public with people looking and staring and not
    understanding, and as Jordan's getting older, he's noticing
    it more himself."

    Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about every
    six months, but are able to see her and her team if and when
    problems arise.

    Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how
    things are going to change as he goes through puberty, but
    we know the CAMHS service will be there right through
    secondary school.

    "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just a
    job: they're doing it because they want to and because
    they care.

    "The unit is there for any help and support you need."

  2. It is always nice to hear a story of people who are happy to
    have found a place where people really care and want to help
    them and their son.

    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever
    intentionally seeks to do harm to another person when it
    come to helping them with their health issues. The
    problem is the options that both traditional and holistic
    health practitioners perceive as being available to them.
    We all understand that a drug like Ritalin is not
    accepted by living bodies without possibly hurting those
    bodies over time. If there was some more natural way to
    help this boy medically, while still giving him the
    caring support that The Terrace has afforded any health
    practitioner surely would.

    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by showing
    that some natural ways can enhance the traditional practice
    of medicine and I teach that traditional medicine is
    essential to buy the time to heal.

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post
    only positive ones.


    <thisisplymouth.co.ukdisplayNode.jsp
    wPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date :
    02.06.04

    How care unit helped these parents in distress

    Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The
    Terraces day unit


    last

    Quoted message said:

    year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the
    'invaluable'


    service

    Quoted message said:

    it provides.

    Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity
    Disorder (ADHD)


    at

    Quoted message said:

    four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome
    and Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

    Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due to his
    hyperactivity, inability to pay attention and interaction
    with other children. He was


    also

    Quoted message said:

    quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech
    problems.

    As the time neared for him to start school, mum Theresa,
    aged 40, grew increasingly concerned and contacted Dr Sara
    Walker, consultant child psychiatrist at The Terraces at
    Mount Gould Hospital for her help. She met the family,
    from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed with ADHD.

    "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a
    problem," said


    Theresa.

    Quoted message said:

    "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But in
    another way I


    wasn't

    Quoted message said:

    relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe in
    ADHD: they thought


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because Jordan's
    disability is in


    his

    Quoted message said:

    head and not physical, people can't see it. People just
    think it's bad behaviour."

    Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put on
    Ritalin which helped him get through the school day.

    Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as best we
    could. Our main aim was to keep him in a mainstream
    school."

    By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a navy
    petty officer caterer, had begun noticing more problems,
    such as facial expressions, eye movements and vocal tics.
    After further assessment, Jordan was diagnosed with
    Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on different
    medication.


    But

    Quoted message said:

    his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end Theresa
    kept him at


    home

    Quoted message said:

    for a week to reassess his drug regime.

    "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very,
    very unruly and depressed," she said. "He was spending
    most of his day outside the classroom."

    Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his
    behaviour


    immediately

    Quoted message said:

    settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he was
    recognised as needing teaching support in class.

    When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again. "The
    Risperdal wasn't enough on its own to get him through the
    day. He was getting louder and


    more

    Quoted message said:

    active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up
    with him."

    He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the
    Risperdal as well,


    to

    Quoted message said:

    help him shut down at night.

    But by last summer the problems in school had not eased,
    so it was


    suggested

    Quoted message said:

    to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The
    Terraces. Their initial reaction was to say no, and they
    admit the thought of sending their son there scared them.

    Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of school,
    is he going to


    go

    Quoted message said:

    back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream
    schooling. We don't expect him to be top of the class, we
    just want him to be given the opportunity of a good
    mainstream education."

    The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour as
    best they could, until the subject of The Terraces was
    broached again by Dr Walker at the


    end

    Quoted message said:

    of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and
    before Christmas Jordan went to the unit every day for six
    weeks to be assessed.

    The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at
    the end of the assessment period they had a meeting with
    Dr Walker.

    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had
    Autistic Spectrum Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked
    us sideways. He already had ADHD, then Tourette's
    Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing
    pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at
    school and he went to the unit. We don't know if he would
    ever have got the autism diagnosis otherwise."

    He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary school
    in his last


    year

    Quoted message said:

    but, having been there, you can't praise them enough. The
    work they have done will make such an important mark on
    him, and at such an important


    stage

    Quoted message said:

    in his schooling."

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's
    conditions, and say they still treat him like any other
    11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's
    Syndrome, but we still apply the same rules as we did with
    our teenage daughter Jenna. We don't use the titles to our
    advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're out
    in public with people looking and staring and not
    understanding, and as Jordan's getting older, he's
    noticing it more himself."

    Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about every
    six months, but are able to see her and her team if and
    when problems arise.

    Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how
    things are going


    to

    Quoted message said:

    change as he goes through puberty, but we know the CAMHS
    service will be there right through secondary school.

    "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just a
    job: they're


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    it because they want to and because they care.

    "The unit is there for any help and support you need."

  3. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post
    only positive ones.


    <thisisplymouth.co.ukdisplayNode.jsp
    wPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date :
    02.06.04

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:


    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had
    Autistic Spectrum Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked
    us sideways. He already had ADHD, then Tourette's
    Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing
    pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at
    school and he went to the unit. We don't know if he would
    ever have got the autism diagnosis otherwise."

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's
    conditions, and say they still treat him like any other
    11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's
    Syndrome, but we still apply the same rules as we did with
    our teenage daughter Jenna. We don't use the titles to our
    advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    These are my two favorite passages here....one discusses the
    relief in getting the right diagnosis--and at being aboe to
    *understand* what is happening....the other describes the
    difference between an excuse and a reason--and reaffirms
    that even with a disability, one can be accountable for
    one's actions *if* they have the proper supports and
    education for the disability in question....that even with a
    disability, a person can function well in "the real world".

    Thanks for sharing this, Mark! Buny

  4. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It is always nice to hear a story of people who are happy
    to have found a place where people really care and want to
    help them and their son.

    Sadly, these stories are few and far between, mainly due to
    ignorance.

    Quoted message said:

    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever
    intentionally seeks to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    harm to another person when it come to helping them with
    their health issues. The problem is the options that both
    traditional and holistic


    health

    Quoted message said:

    practitioners perceive as being available to them.

    I disagree. I believe that there are those Alts who know
    what they are selling is useless, but, do it for the money.

    We all understand that a

    Quoted message said:

    drug like Ritalin is not accepted by living bodies without
    possibly


    hurting

    Quoted message said:

    those bodies over time.

    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has been
    used over 40 years, and the number of patients are in the
    millions, these deleterious effects should have shown up in
    sufficient numbers by now to lead us to study those effects
    further. However, there is no evidence that they exist.

    If there was some more natural way to help this boy

    Quoted message said:

    medically, while still giving him the caring support
    that The Terrace has afforded any health practitioner
    surely would.

    However, there have been no natural ways proven to provide
    what he is receiving.

    Quoted message said:

    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by
    showing that some natural ways can enhance the traditional
    practice of medicine and I teach that traditional medicine
    is essential to buy the time to heal.

    Show how AD/HD can be healed.

    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post
    only positive


    ones.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:




    <thisisplymouth.co.ukdisplayNode.jsp
    wPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date :
    02.06.04

    How care unit helped these parents in distress

    Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The
    Terraces day unit


    last

    Quoted message said:

    year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the
    'invaluable'


    service

    Quoted message said:

    it provides.

    Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit
    Hyperactivity Disorder


    (ADHD)

    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:

    four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's
    Syndrome and Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

    Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due
    to his


    hyperactivity,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    inability to pay attention and interaction with other
    children. He was


    also

    Quoted message said:

    quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech
    problems.

    As the time neared for him to start school, mum Theresa,
    aged 40, grew increasingly concerned and contacted Dr
    Sara Walker, consultant child psychiatrist at The
    Terraces at Mount Gould Hospital for her help. She


    met

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed
    with ADHD.

    "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a
    problem," said


    Theresa.

    Quoted message said:

    "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But in
    another way I


    wasn't

    Quoted message said:

    relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe in
    ADHD: they thought


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because Jordan's
    disability is in


    his

    Quoted message said:

    head and not physical, people can't see it. People just
    think it's bad behaviour."

    Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put
    on Ritalin which helped him get through the school day.

    Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as best
    we could. Our


    main

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."

    By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a navy
    petty officer caterer, had begun noticing more problems,
    such as facial expressions,


    eye

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    movements and vocal tics. After further assessment,
    Jordan was diagnosed with Tourette's, taken off the
    Ritalin and put on different medication.


    But

    Quoted message said:

    his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end
    Theresa kept him at


    home

    Quoted message said:

    for a week to reassess his drug regime.

    "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very,
    very unruly and depressed," she said. "He was spending
    most of his day outside the classroom."

    Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his
    behaviour


    immediately

    Quoted message said:

    settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he was
    recognised as needing teaching support in class.

    When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again.
    "The Risperdal


    wasn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    enough on its own to get him through the day. He was
    getting louder and


    more

    Quoted message said:

    active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up
    with him."

    He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the
    Risperdal as well,


    to

    Quoted message said:

    help him shut down at night.

    But by last summer the problems in school had not eased,
    so it was


    suggested

    Quoted message said:

    to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The
    Terraces. Their


    initial

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    reaction was to say no, and they admit the thought of
    sending their son there scared them.

    Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of
    school, is he going to


    go

    Quoted message said:

    back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream
    schooling. We don't expect him to be top of the class,
    we just want him to be given the opportunity of a good
    mainstream education."

    The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour as
    best they


    could,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    until the subject of The Terraces was broached again by
    Dr Walker at the


    end

    Quoted message said:

    of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and
    before Christmas Jordan went to the unit every day for
    six weeks to be assessed.

    The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at
    the end of the assessment period they had a meeting with
    Dr Walker.

    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had
    Autistic Spectrum Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked
    us sideways. He already had ADHD, then Tourette's
    Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing
    pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad
    at school and he went to the unit. We don't know if he
    would ever have got the autism diagnosis otherwise."

    He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary
    school in his last


    year

    Quoted message said:

    but, having been there, you can't praise them enough.
    The work they have done will make such an important mark
    on him, and at such an important


    stage

    Quoted message said:

    in his schooling."

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind
    Jordan's conditions,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's
    Syndrome, but


    we

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage
    daughter Jenna. We don't use the titles to our
    advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're
    out in public with people looking and staring and not
    understanding, and as Jordan's


    getting

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    older, he's noticing it more himself."

    Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about
    every six months,


    but

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are able to see her and her team if and when problems
    arise.

    Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how
    things are going


    to

    Quoted message said:

    change as he goes through puberty, but we know the CAMHS
    service will be there right through secondary school.

    "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just
    a job: they're


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    it because they want to and because they care.

    "The unit is there for any help and support you need."


  5. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It is always nice to hear a story of people who are
    happy to have found


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    place where people really care and want to help them and
    their son.

    Sadly, these stories are few and far between, mainly due
    to ignorance.

    Quoted message said:

    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever
    intentionally seeks


    to

    Quoted message said:

    do

    Quoted message said:

    harm to another person when it come to helping them with
    their health issues. The problem is the options that
    both traditional and holistic


    health

    Quoted message said:

    practitioners perceive as being available to them.

    I disagree. I believe that there are those Alts who
    know what they are selling is useless, but, do it for
    the money.

    We all understand that a

    Quoted message said:

    drug like Ritalin is not accepted by living bodies
    without possibly


    hurting

    Quoted message said:

    those bodies over time.

    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has
    been used over 40 years, and the number of patients are in
    the millions, these deleterious effects should have shown
    up in sufficient numbers by now to lead us to study those
    effects further. However, there is no evidence that they


    exist.

    From: mentalhealth.comp30 r03.html

    Adverse Effects

    Nervousness and insomnia are the most common adverse
    reactions reported with methylphenidate but are usually
    controlled by reducing dosage and omitting the drug in the
    afternoon or evening. Decreased appetite is also common but
    usually transient.

    Central and Peripheral Nervous System:

    Dizziness, drowsiness, headache, and dyskinesia may occur.
    Isolated cases of the following have been reported:
    hyperactivity, convulsions, muscle cramps, choreo-athetoid
    movements, tics, or exacerbation of pre-existing tics,
    Tourette's syndrome, and psychotic episodes including
    hallucinations which subsided when methylphenidate was
    discontinued. Psychic dependence in emotionally unstable
    persons has occurred rarely with chronic treatment.
    Although a definite causal relationship has not been
    established, isolated cases of transient depressed mood
    have been reported.

    Symptoms of visual disturbances have been encountered in
    rare cases. Difficulties with accommodation and blurring of
    vision have been reported.

    Gastrointestinal:

    Nausea and abdominal pain may occur at the start of
    treatment and may be alleviated if taken with food.

    Cardiovascular:

    Palpitations, blood pressure and pulse changes (both up and
    down), tachycardia, angina and cardiac arrhythmias.

    Skin and/or Hypersensitivity:

    Rash, pruritus, urticaria, fever, arthralgia, and alopecia.
    Isolated cases of exfoliative dermatitis, erythema
    multiforme with histopathological findings of necrotizing
    vasculitis, and thrombocytopenic purpura.

    Hematologic:

    Isolated cases of leukopenia, thrombocytopenia and anemia.

    Other:

    Weight loss during prolonged therapy.

    In children, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, weight loss
    during prolonged therapy, insomnia, and tachycardia may
    occur more frequently; however, any of the other adverse
    reactions listed above may also occur. Minor retardation of
    growth may also occur during prolonged therapy in children
    (see Warnings).

    Even if in isolated cases these cautions do not tell a very
    positive story. The greatest consideration in my mind is
    this: where does this medication lead? A cure? Is there any
    hope of ever getting off of it? What kind of future are "we"
    offering to this young boy?

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    If there was some more natural way to help this boy

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    medically, while still giving him the caring support
    that The Terrace


    has

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    afforded any health practitioner surely would.

    However, there have been no natural ways proven to provide
    what he is receiving.

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    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by
    showing that some natural ways can enhance the
    traditional practice of medicine and I


    teach

    Quoted message said:
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    that traditional medicine is essential to buy the time
    to heal.

    Show how AD/HD can be healed.

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    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post
    only positive


    ones.

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    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date :
    02.06.04

    How care unit helped these parents in distress

    Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The
    Terraces day


    unit

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    last

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    year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the
    'invaluable'


    service

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    it provides.

    Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit
    Hyperactivity Disorder


    (ADHD)

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    at

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    four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's
    Syndrome and


    Autistic

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    Spectrum Disorder.

    Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due
    to his


    hyperactivity,

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    inability to pay attention and interaction with other
    children. He was


    also

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    quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech
    problems.

    As the time neared for him to start school, mum
    Theresa, aged 40, grew increasingly concerned and
    contacted Dr Sara Walker, consultant child
    psychiatrist at The Terraces at Mount Gould Hospital
    for her help. She


    met

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    the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed
    with ADHD.

    "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a
    problem," said


    Theresa.

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    "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But
    in another way I


    wasn't

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    relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe in
    ADHD: they


    thought

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    it

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    was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because
    Jordan's disability is


    in

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    his

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    head and not physical, people can't see it. People
    just think it's bad behaviour."

    Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put
    on Ritalin


    which

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    helped him get through the school day.

    Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as
    best we could. Our


    main

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    aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."

    By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a
    navy petty officer caterer, had begun noticing more
    problems, such as facial expressions,


    eye

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    movements and vocal tics. After further assessment,
    Jordan was


    diagnosed

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    with Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on
    different


    medication.

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    But

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    his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end
    Theresa kept him at


    home

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    for a week to reassess his drug regime.

    "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very,
    very unruly and depressed," she said. "He was spending
    most of his day outside the classroom."

    Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his
    behaviour


    immediately

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    settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he
    was recognised as needing teaching support in class.

    When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again.
    "The Risperdal


    wasn't

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    enough on its own to get him through the day. He was
    getting louder


    and

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    more

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    active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up
    with him."

    He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the
    Risperdal as


    well,

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    to

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    help him shut down at night.

    But by last summer the problems in school had not
    eased, so it was


    suggested

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    to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The
    Terraces. Their


    initial

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    reaction was to say no, and they admit the thought of
    sending their


    son

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    there scared them.

    Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of
    school, is he going


    to

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    go

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    back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream
    schooling. We


    don't

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    expect him to be top of the class, we just want him to
    be given the opportunity of a good mainstream
    education."

    The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour
    as best they


    could,

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    until the subject of The Terraces was broached again
    by Dr Walker at


    the

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    end

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    of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and
    before Christmas Jordan went to the unit every day for
    six weeks to be assessed.

    The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at
    the end of the assessment period they had a meeting
    with Dr Walker.

    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had
    Autistic


    Spectrum

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    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He
    already had


    ADHD,

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    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with
    something else.


    But

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    the

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    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing
    pieces of the


    jigsaw.

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    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that
    bad at school and


    he

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    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have
    got the autism diagnosis otherwise."

    He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary
    school in his last


    year

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    but, having been there, you can't praise them enough.
    The work they


    have

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    done will make such an important mark on him, and at
    such an important


    stage

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    in his schooling."

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind
    Jordan's conditions,


    and

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    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and
    Tourette's Syndrome, but


    we

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    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage
    daughter Jenna.


    We

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    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we
    let Jordan use


    them

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    as

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    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're
    out in public


    with

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    people looking and staring and not understanding, and
    as Jordan's


    getting

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    older, he's noticing it more himself."

    Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about
    every six months,


    but

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    are able to see her and her team if and when problems
    arise.

    Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know
    how things are


    going

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    to

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    change as he goes through puberty, but we know the
    CAMHS service will


    be

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    there right through secondary school.

    "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than
    just a job: they're


    doing

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    it because they want to and because they care.

    "The unit is there for any help and support you need."



  6. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k
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    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    It is always nice to hear a story of people who are
    happy to have


    found

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    a

    Quoted message said:
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    place where people really care and want to help them
    and their son.

    Sadly, these stories are few and far between, mainly due
    to ignorance.

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    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever
    intentionally seeks


    to

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    do

    Quoted message said:

    harm to another person when it come to helping them
    with their health issues. The problem is the options
    that both traditional and holistic


    health

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    practitioners perceive as being available to them.

    I disagree. I believe that there are those Alts who know
    what they are selling is useless, but, do it for the
    money.

    We all understand that a

    Quoted message said:

    drug like Ritalin is not accepted by living bodies
    without possibly


    hurting

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    those bodies over time.

    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has
    been used over


    40

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    years, and the number of patients are in the millions,
    these deleterious effects should have shown up in
    sufficient numbers by now to lead us to study those
    effects further. However, there is no evidence that they


    exist.

    From: mentalhealth.comp30 r03.html

    Merely regurgitation adverse effects that have never
    actually been proven to be caused by the medication is and
    utterly useless exercise in cutting and pasting, and is not
    responsive to the point I made. If a patient is experiencing
    these to the point where they complain to a doctor, then the
    doctor wil change the medication. This is NOT a long term
    effect. See the emphasis I added for clarification.

    The simple fact is that there is NO clear cut evidence of
    any long term effect from the medication. If there were,
    with the millions of people taking the medication, it would
    have shown up to some extent by now. Worrying about it is,
    IMNSHO, akin to worrying about the sun going nova in a few
    billion years.

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    Adverse Effects

    Nervousness and insomnia are the most common adverse
    reactions reported


    with

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    methylphenidate but are usually controlled by reducing
    dosage and omitting the drug in the afternoon or evening.
    Decreased appetite is also common


    but

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    usually *transient*.

    Central and Peripheral Nervous System:

    Dizziness, drowsiness, headache, and dyskinesia may occur.
    Isolated cases


    of

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    the following have been reported: hyperactivity,
    convulsions, muscle


    cramps,

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    choreo-athetoid movements, tics, or exacerbation of pre-
    existing tics, Tourette's syndrome, and psychotic episodes
    including hallucinations which subsided when
    methylphenidate was discontinued. Psychic dependence in
    emotionally unstable persons has occurred rarely with
    chronic treatment. Although a *definite causal
    relationship has not been established*,


    isolated

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    cases of transient depressed mood have been reported.

    Symptoms of visual disturbances have been encountered in
    *rare cases*. Difficulties with accommodation and blurring
    of vision have been


    *reported*.

    Quoted message said:


    Gastrointestinal:

    *Nausea and abdominal pain may occur at the start of
    treatment and may be alleviated if taken with food.*

    Cardiovascular:

    Palpitations, blood pressure and pulse changes (both up
    and down), tachycardia, angina and cardiac arrhythmias.

    Skin and/or Hypersensitivity:

    Rash, pruritus, urticaria, fever, arthralgia, and
    alopecia. Isolated cases of exfoliative dermatitis,
    erythema multiforme with histopathological findings of
    necrotizing vasculitis, and thrombocytopenic purpura.

    Hematologic:

    *Isolated* cases of leukopenia, thrombocytopenia and
    anemia.

    Other:

    *Weight loss during prolonged therapy.*

    (Disproven).

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    In children, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, weight
    loss during


    prolonged

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    therapy, insomnia, and tachycardia may occur more
    frequently; however, any of the other adverse reactions
    listed above may also occur. Minor retardation of growth
    may also occur during prolonged therapy in children (see
    Warnings).

    (Evidence indicates that ADHD kids grow differently than non-
    ADHD kids. All studies show that there is a later growth
    surt which results in expected height.)

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    Even if in isolated cases these cautions do not tell a
    very positive


    story.

    Horse [censored].

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    The greatest consideration in my mind is this: where does
    this medication lead? A cure? Is there any hope of ever
    getting off of it? What kind of future are "we" offering
    to this young boy?

    We are offering the patient a chance to grow up, get and
    education, and lead a life that is not ruined by drug abuse
    and crime.

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    If there was some more natural way to help this boy

    Quoted message said:

    medically, while still giving him the caring support
    that The Terrace


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    afforded any health practitioner surely would.

    However, there have been no natural ways proven to
    provide what he is receiving.

    Quoted message said:

    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by
    showing that some natural ways can enhance the
    traditional practice of medicine and I


    teach

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that traditional medicine is essential to buy the time
    to heal.

    Show how AD/HD can be healed.

    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in
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    > Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil
    > post only positive


    ones.

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    >
    >




    <thisisplymouth.co.ukdisplayNode.jsp
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    > 64&contentPK=10159189>
    >
    >
    > NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date :
    > 02.06.04
    >
    > How care unit helped these parents in distress
    >
    > Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at
    > The Terraces day


    unit

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    last
    > year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of
    > the 'invaluable'
    service
    > it provides.
    >
    > Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit
    > Hyperactivity Disorder


    (ADHD)

    Quoted message said:

    at
    > four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's
    > Syndrome and


    Autistic

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Spectrum Disorder.
    >
    > Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due
    > to his


    hyperactivity,

    Quoted message said:

    > inability to pay attention and interaction with
    > other children. He


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    also
    > quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech
    > problems.
    >
    > As the time neared for him to start school, mum
    > Theresa, aged 40,


    grew

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > increasingly concerned and contacted Dr Sara Walker,
    > consultant


    child

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    > psychiatrist at The Terraces at Mount Gould Hospital
    > for her help.


    She

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    met

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    > the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed
    > with ADHD.
    >
    > "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a
    > problem," said
    Theresa.
    > "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But
    > in another way


    I

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:

    wasn't
    > relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe
    > in ADHD: they


    thought

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    Quoted message said:

    it
    > was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because
    > Jordan's disability


    is

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    his
    > head and not physical, people can't see it. People
    > just think it's


    bad

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > behaviour."
    >
    > Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was
    > put on Ritalin


    which

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    > helped him get through the school day.
    >
    > Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as
    > best we could.


    Our

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    main

    Quoted message said:

    > aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."
    >
    > By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a
    > navy petty


    officer

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:

    > caterer, had begun noticing more problems, such as
    > facial


    expressions,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    eye

    Quoted message said:

    > movements and vocal tics. After further assessment,
    > Jordan was


    diagnosed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > with Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on
    > different


    medication.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But
    > his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end
    > Theresa kept him


    at

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:

    home
    > for a week to reassess his drug regime.
    >
    > "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became
    > very, very unruly


    and

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:

    > depressed," she said. "He was spending most of his
    > day outside the classroom."
    >
    > Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and
    > his behaviour
    immediately
    > settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he
    > was recognised


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > needing teaching support in class.
    >
    > When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again.
    > "The Risperdal


    wasn't

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    > enough on its own to get him through the day. He was
    > getting louder


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more
    > active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up
    > with him."
    >
    > He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on
    > the Risperdal as


    well,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to
    > help him shut down at night.
    >
    > But by last summer the problems in school had not
    > eased, so it was
    suggested
    > to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The
    > Terraces. Their


    initial

    Quoted message said:

    > reaction was to say no, and they admit the thought
    > of sending their


    son

    Quoted message said:
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    > there scared them.
    >
    > Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of
    > school, is he


    going

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    to

    Quoted message said:
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    go
    > back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream
    > schooling. We


    don't

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    > expect him to be top of the class, we just want him
    > to be given the opportunity of a good mainstream
    > education."
    >
    > The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's
    > behaviour as best they


    could,

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    > until the subject of The Terraces was broached again
    > by Dr Walker at


    the

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    end
    > of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed,
    > and before


    Christmas

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > Jordan went to the unit every day for six weeks to
    > be assessed.
    >
    > The couple were given weekly progress reports, and
    > at the end of the assessment period they had a
    > meeting with Dr Walker.
    >
    > "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he
    > had Autistic


    Spectrum

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways.
    > He already had


    ADHD,

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    > then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with
    > something else.


    But

    Quoted message said:
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    the
    > autism made us understand a few of his oddities."
    >
    > Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like
    > missing pieces of the
    jigsaw.
    > It all fits into place now.
    >
    > "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that
    > bad at school


    and

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    he

    Quoted message said:
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    > went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever
    > have got the autism diagnosis otherwise."
    >
    > He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary
    > school in his


    last

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    Quoted message said:

    year
    > but, having been there, you can't praise them
    > enough. The work they


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > done will make such an important mark on him, and at
    > such an


    important

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stage
    > in his schooling."
    >
    > But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind
    > Jordan's


    conditions,

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    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:

    > say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.
    >
    > Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and
    > Tourette's Syndrome,


    but

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    Quoted message said:

    we

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    > still apply the same rules as we did with our
    > teenage daughter


    Jenna.

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    We

    Quoted message said:
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    > don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we
    > let Jordan use


    them

    Quoted message said:
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    as
    > an excuse for bad behaviour.
    >
    > "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when
    > you're out in public


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > people looking and staring and not understanding,
    > and as Jordan's


    getting

    Quoted message said:

    > older, he's noticing it more himself."
    >
    > Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about
    > every six


    months,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    but

    Quoted message said:

    > are able to see her and her team if and when
    > problems arise.
    >
    > Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know
    > how things are


    going

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to
    > change as he goes through puberty, but we know the
    > CAMHS service


    will

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    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > there right through secondary school.
    >
    > "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than
    > just a job:


    they're

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doing
    > it because they want to and because they care.
    >
    > "The unit is there for any help and support you
    > need."
    >
    >



  7. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: "Sumbuny" [email hidden]
    Date: 6/3/2004 1:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <hEMvc.2104$ye1.2018@lakeread05>

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post
    only positive ones.


    <thisisplymouth.co.ukdisplayNode.jsp
    ewPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date :
    02.06.04

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:


    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had
    Autistic Spectrum Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked
    us sideways. He already had ADHD, then Tourette's
    Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing
    pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad
    at school and he went to the unit. We don't know if he
    would ever have got the autism diagnosis otherwise."

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind
    Jordan's conditions, and say they still treat him like
    any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's
    Syndrome, but we still apply the same rules as we did
    with our teenage daughter Jenna. We don't use the titles
    to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    These are my two favorite passages here....one discusses
    the relief in getting the right diagnosis--and at being
    aboe to *understand* what is happening....the other
    describes the difference between an excuse and a reason--
    and reaffirms that even with a disability, one can be
    accountable for one's actions *if* they have the proper
    supports and education for the disability in
    question....that even with a disability, a person can
    function well in "the real world".

    Thanks for sharing this, Mark! Buny

    Here is what Mark denies.

    resultsproject.netCocaine Ritalin Connection.ht
    ml

    ahrp.org25.html

    Rampant Misdiagnosis

    philly.com7852459.htm

    groups.msn.compsychbusters

    usdoj.govct051600.htm

    add-adhd.orgritalin.html

    observer.guardian.co.uk0,6903,9491
    50,00.html

    cultureshocktv.comaug2720024
    8932.shtml

    familyeducation.com0,1120,23 10318
    0-2,00.html

    drug-rehabs.orgFAQ ritalin.php

    i2i.orgarticle.aspx

    cbsnews.commain32
    6478.shtml

    csmonitor.comp14s01 stss.html

    healthysource.comritalin.html

    borntoexplore.orgritalin.htm

    cchr.orgpage48.htm

    Jan

  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 6/3/2004 3:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Here is what Mark denies.

    here is what Janster denies:

    she knows nothing except that which she cuts and pastes from
    her search engine..and most of that she has not a clue what
    it means..

    often she posts sites that contradict whatever craziness she
    is arguing..

    sad that...

    Jan needs to stay with the sandbox set...at least with 3
    year olds she had an edge

    sad that

    hawki.....

  9. It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Joe Parsons said:

    On 6 Jun 2004 20:47:19 -0700, [email hidden]
    (wossoyi) wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Would I give a child NaCl? Yes. Would I take NaCl, yes?
    Ritalin, I would leave that for the child to decide. I
    think the child knows best what makes him/her feel
    better.

    Please don't take this the wrong way...but I think only a
    person who has never been a parent would say that.

    Kids don't always know what's best for them despite their
    liking to think they do: when I was 16 I managed to convince
    both my father and the *psychiatrist* he'd taken me to that
    my only problem was due to sharing the house with my
    father... the psychiatrist talked my father into funding my
    moving out which may have seemed like a great idea to me at
    the time and the solution to all my problems, as an adult I
    now know it wasn't the best thing for me.

    Kids remain kids till they're at least 33! 😉

    Vashti(33)

  10. "Sumbuny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:hEMvc.2104$ye1.2018@lakeread05...

    Quoted message said:


    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post
    only positive


    ones.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:




    <thisisplymouth.co.ukdisplayNode.jsp
    wPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date :
    02.06.04

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:


    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had
    Autistic Spectrum Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked
    us sideways. He already had ADHD, then Tourette's
    Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing
    pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad
    at school and he went to the unit. We don't know if he
    would ever have got the autism diagnosis otherwise."

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind
    Jordan's conditions,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's
    Syndrome, but


    we

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage
    daughter Jenna. We don't use the titles to our
    advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    These are my two favorite passages here....one discusses
    the relief in getting the right diagnosis--and at being
    aboe to *understand* what is happening....the other
    describes the difference between an excuse and a reason--
    and reaffirms that even with a disability, one can be
    accountable for one's actions *if* they have the proper
    supports and education for the disability in
    question....that even with a disability, a person can


    function

    Quoted message said:

    well in "the real world".

    Thanks for sharing this, Mark!

    Welcome, Buny, and I agree that those are excellent points
    made by the article.

  11. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story From: "Sumbuny"
    [email hidden] Date: 6/3/2004 1:28 PM Pacific
    Standard Time Message-id:
    <hEMvc.2104$ye1.2018@lakeread05>

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post
    only positive


    ones.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    <thisisplymouth.co.ukdisplayNode.jsp
    ewPage&nodeId=133


    1

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING... Date :
    02.06.04

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:


    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had
    Autistic


    Spectrum

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He
    already had


    ADHD,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with
    something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing
    pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad
    at school and


    he

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have
    got the autism diagnosis otherwise."

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind
    Jordan's conditions,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and
    Tourette's Syndrome, but


    we

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage
    daughter Jenna.


    We

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we
    let Jordan use


    them

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    These are my two favorite passages here....one discusses
    the relief in getting the right diagnosis--and at being
    aboe to *understand* what is happening....the other
    describes the difference between an excuse and a reason--
    and reaffirms that even with a disability, one can be
    accountable for one's actions *if* they have the proper
    supports and education for


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    disability in question....that even with a disability, a
    person can


    function

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    well in "the real world".

    Thanks for sharing this, Mark! Buny

    Here is what Mark denies.

    Jan posts URLs that support anti-psychiatry and the Kriminal
    Kult of $cientology which denies Jesus.

    And, as usual, she adds her bankrupt ideas to an intelligent
    discussion.

    Predictable. Sad that.

  12. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story From: [email hidden]
    (Jan) Date: 6/3/2004 3:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-
    id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Here is what Mark denies.

    here is what Janster denies:

    she knows nothing except that which she cuts and pastes
    from her search engine..and most of that she has not a
    clue what it means..

    often she posts sites that contradict whatever craziness
    she is arguing..

    What is truly amazingly hypocritical of Jan Drew is that she
    aims her bigotry against Jews and atheists who disagree with
    her in spite of the fact that neither Judaism or atheism is
    inimicable to Christianity.

    However, since she agrees with the opinions of the Kriminal
    Kult of $cientology, she supports them, in spite of the fact
    that they deny Jesus, and, if you understand them correctly,
    they are also inimicable to Chrsitianity.

    I sure hope that she wills her brain to science, as her
    wiring has got to be unique.

  13. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH
    has been used over


    40

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    years, and the number of patients are in the millions,
    these deleterious effects should have shown up in
    sufficient numbers by now to lead us to study those
    effects further. However, there is no evidence that
    they


    exist.

    From: mentalhealth.comp30
    r03.html#Head_1

    Merely regurgitation adverse effects that have never
    actually been proven to be caused by the medication is and
    utterly useless exercise in cutting and pasting, and is
    not responsive to the point I made. If a patient is
    experiencing these to the point where they complain to a
    doctor, then the doctor wil change the medication. This is
    NOT a long term effect. See the emphasis I added for
    clarification.

    The simple fact is that there is NO clear cut evidence of
    any long term effect from the medication. If there were,
    with the millions of people taking the medication, it
    would have shown up to some extent by now. Worrying about
    it is, IMNSHO, akin to worrying about the sun going nova
    in a few billion years.

    This is exactly the line that we were given by doctors about
    SSRIs. People, who were being ignored by their doctors, with
    their unflintching beliefs in this "miracle" drugs were
    being ignored while often getting worse. Thank goodness that
    SSRIs have finally been proven to cause harm.

    I remember the hell I went through with Paxil, all the
    while, my doctor only wanted to raise my dossage. He never
    understood that I wasn't even depressed until I started the
    drug. Leave it up to a doctor to think a teenage girl having
    trouble concentrating and excessively tired (i was anemic)
    MUST need anti-depressants.

    I for one, don't believe doctors actually listen to the
    majority of their patients... And while I have taken ritalin
    and an SSRI, I would never put my own child on it unless he
    or she WANTED to be on it. I know how horrible these drugs
    can make you feel and I wouldn't force my worse enemy on it.
    All of this needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

    -i

  14. "wossoyi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH
    > has been used


    over

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    40

    Quoted message said:

    > years, and the number of patients are in the
    > millions, these


    deleterious

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > effects should have shown up in sufficient numbers
    > by now to lead us


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > study those effects further. However, there is no
    > evidence that they
    exist.

    From: mentalhealth.comp30
    r03.html#Head_1

    Merely regurgitation adverse effects that have never
    actually been


    proven to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be caused by the medication is and utterly useless
    exercise in cutting


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pasting, and is not responsive to the point I made. If a
    patient is experiencing these to the point where they
    complain to a doctor, then


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctor wil change the medication. This is NOT a long
    term effect. See


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    emphasis I added for clarification.

    The simple fact is that there is NO clear cut evidence
    of any long term effect from the medication. If there
    were, with the millions of people taking the medication,
    it would have shown up to some extent by now. Worrying
    about it is, IMNSHO, akin to worrying about the sun
    going nova


    in a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    few billion years.

    This is exactly the line that we were given by doctors
    about SSRIs. People, who were being ignored by their
    doctors, with their unflintching beliefs in this
    "miracle" drugs were being ignored while often getting
    worse. Thank goodness that SSRIs have finally been proven
    to cause harm.

    I remember the hell I went through with Paxil, all the
    while, my doctor only wanted to raise my dossage. He never
    understood that I wasn't even depressed until I started
    the drug. Leave it up to a doctor to think a teenage girl
    having trouble concentrating and excessively tired (i was
    anemic) MUST need anti-depressants.

    I for one, don't believe doctors actually listen to the
    majority of their patients... And while I have taken
    ritalin and an SSRI, I would never put my own child on it
    unless he or she WANTED to be on it. I know how horrible
    these drugs can make you feel and I wouldn't force my
    worse enemy on it. All of this needs to be taken with a
    grain of salt.

    So, you are a bilger who is anti-medications, but would give
    a kid a toxic substance with Na+ and Cl-, eh?

  15. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The simple fact is that there is NO clear cut evidence
    of any long term effect from the medication. If there
    were, with the millions of people taking the
    medication, it would have shown up to some extent by
    now. Worrying about it is, IMNSHO, akin to worrying
    about the sun going nova


    in a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    few billion years.

    This is exactly the line that we were given by doctors
    about SSRIs. People, who were being ignored by their
    doctors, with their unflintching beliefs in this
    "miracle" drugs were being ignored while often getting
    worse. Thank goodness that SSRIs have finally been
    proven to cause harm.

    I remember the hell I went through with Paxil, all the
    while, my doctor only wanted to raise my dossage. He
    never understood that I wasn't even depressed until I
    started the drug. Leave it up to a doctor to think a
    teenage girl having trouble concentrating and
    excessively tired (i was anemic) MUST need anti-
    depressants.

    I for one, don't believe doctors actually listen to the
    majority of their patients... And while I have taken
    ritalin and an SSRI, I would never put my own child on
    it unless he or she WANTED to be on it. I know how
    horrible these drugs can make you feel and I wouldn't
    force my worse enemy on it. All of this needs to be
    taken with a grain of salt.

    So, you are a bilger who is anti-medications, but would
    give a kid a toxic substance with Na+ and Cl-, eh?

    Would I give a child NaCl? Yes. Would I take NaCl, yes?
    Ritalin, I would leave that for the child to decide. I think
    the child knows best what makes him/her feel better.

    "Me? I put it on my plate"

    -i

  16. On 6 Jun 2004 20:47:19 -0700, [email hidden] (wossoyi) wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I for one, don't believe doctors actually listen to the
    majority of their patients... And while I have taken
    ritalin and an SSRI, I would never put my own child on
    it unless he or she WANTED to be on it. I know how
    horrible these drugs can make you feel and I wouldn't
    force my worse enemy on it. All of this needs to be
    taken with a grain of salt.

    So, you are a bilger who is anti-medications, but would
    give a kid a toxic substance with Na+ and Cl-, eh?

    Would I give a child NaCl? Yes. Would I take NaCl, yes?
    Ritalin, I would leave that for the child to decide. I
    think the child knows best what makes him/her feel better.

    Please don't take this the wrong way...but I think only a
    person who has never been a parent would say that.

    Joe Parsons

  17. It wasn't a dark and stormy night when wossoyi said:

    I think it would depend on too many factors... But if the
    child is suffering on medication, i don't know the point
    of leaving them on it. Wasn't that the problem with SSRIs?
    Children becoming more and more suicidal as doctors turned
    a deaf ear?

    The problem with SSRIs is that when they start working the
    patient gets more energy *before* their mood improves. A
    good doc will explain how the med works and what to look out
    for such as risk taking behaviours and increased thoughts of
    suicide. A good doc would also see the patient several times
    to asses how they're doing. Personally I'd prefer that GPs
    didn't prescribe them and referred patients to a
    psychiatrist.

    Vashti

  18. It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Gymmy Bob said:

    When they prescribe the SSRI's, same as a shrink will do,
    the only purpose left for the shrink is to convince the
    patient it isn't a personal failure to take the
    medication. Most of the therapy isn't necessary anymore.

    These words were from the last therapist I talked to.

    So you never saw *that* therapist again I hope! Given
    a choice I'd go for CBT and meds to handle depression
    or anxiety.

    Burn's book "Feeling Good, the new mood therapy" helped me
    when I couldn't get CBT.

    Vashti

  19. It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Gymmy Bob said:

    WTF is CBT? Chekaslovakia Book Therapy?

    Ah, oh...sorry! Cognitive Behavioural Therapy whereby if
    it's done right you'll learn about automatic negative
    thoughts and cognitive distortions. Most people would
    benefit from it in my opinion just to feel better about
    themselves and others without the whole blame thing
    going on etc.

    Vashti

  20. It wasn't a dark and stormy night when wossoyi said:

    CBT is "Cognitive Behavioural Therapy." Usually a course
    of therapy about 20-30 session with a high success rate.
    It either works or it doesn't after about a month, you'll
    know if you're more likely to benefit or not.

    cognitivetherapy.comcognitivetherapy.com

    It does demand that you put some work into it: it's not just
    listening to some therapist ramble. If you don't put in the
    work it won't do a thing for you. That's why medication can
    be useful: if you're severely anxious or depressed you may
    not be *able* to concentrate and absorb the material,
    whereas you might be able to on medication.

    Vashti

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