Charter

Lanakila said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes
place here is farther away from the goal of this group
than any advertisements or discussion on products that may
be of help to some of us.

If you are reading this don't say you were not worned.

Okay what do you or did you span us with? BJ

[email hidden] (Lanakila) wrote in misc.health.diabetes:

Quoted message said:

I know of a product that is actually helping people
here and can not tell anyone here about it, this place
full of diabetics and loved ones of diabetics! Taht is
a little crazy. However it is perfectly okay for people
to continuously bicker and insult one another here. Why
is that allowed and tolerated and why do people
participate in it?

How did you get the idea that spamming is the same as
bickering and insulting?

Why are you surprised that people here "allow" participating
in bickering and don't "allow" posting spam? Who told you
people here "tolerate" either?

And furthermore: who "allows" what on Usenet? Feel free to
bicker, insult and spam, and suffer the consequences.

Sell your junk in a regular way. Spam isn't that way.

--
CeeBee

EMH Mark I: "Stop breathing down my neck." EMH Mark II: "My
breath is merely a simulation." EMH Mark I: "So is my neck.
Stop it anyway."

(Lanakila) said:

I know for me I have not talked at all about a product that
is having tremondous results here in Hawaii because people
just start telling you how it does not work and how all you
want to do is make money. Nope I would rather tell people
about a very effective and inexpesive product that is
working with out going through all the BS and accussations.
But how sad is that! Literaaly millions of people are
missing out on a good thing. I know of a product that is
actually helping people here and can not tell anyone here
about it, this place full of diabetics and loved ones of
diabetics! Taht is a little crazy.

If you are a sincere diabetic who has earned the trust of
the folk in this newsgroup it *is* possible to do this
without either infringing the group charter or annoying
folk. You will have seen other folk doing it here. The fact
that you don't seem to know this, and that the language you
use in describing this product sounds awfully like spammers
language, does however make us rather suspicious of you.

Quoted message said:

I think any and all discussion on the subject and anything
related to it should be tolerated. If you do not want to
read it then do not. There may be something for some one
and if just one person is helped isn't that good?

How long have you been participating in newsgroups? Haven't
you seen what has happened to the newsgroups where people
haven't fought back fiercely against spammers?

Quoted message said:

Lets be responsisble for our actions and let the next
person see our example. Stop the spiral.

What you recommend is starting a spiral too many of us have
seen destroying newsgroups.
--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
["]http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

OK donna, presuming that you are not selling, or otherwise
personally benefiting from the sale of a product, just what
is holding you back from 'sharing' the information?

Lanakila said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes
place here is farther away from the goal of this group
than any advertisements or discussion on products that may
be of help to some of us.

I know for me I have not talked at all about a product
that is having tremondous results here in Hawaii because
people just start telling you how it does not work and how
all you want to do is make money. Nope I would rather tell
people about a very effective and inexpesive product that
is working with out going through all the BS and
accussations. But how sad is that! Literaaly millions of
people are missing out on a good thing. I know of a
product that is actually helping people here and can not
tell anyone here about it, this place full of diabetics
and loved ones of diabetics! Taht is a little crazy.
However it is perfectly okay for people to continuously
bicker and insult one another here. Why is that allowed
and tolerated and why do people participate in it?

Does the charter say something about that? And if so why
isn't it pointed out? Ugly attitude is just as destructive
as any diease, as a matter of fact many beleive it could
be what causes many physical ailments.

I think any and all discussion on the subject and anything
related to it should be tolerated. If you do not want to
read it then do not. There may be something for some one
and if just one person is helped isn't that good?

Lets be responsisble for our actions and let the next
person see our example. Stop the spiral.

(Lanakila) said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes place
here is farther away from the goal of this group than any
advertisements or discussion on products that may be of
help to some of us.

Hi Lanakila

As your only other post here was on ALA, and google shows up
just a few in similar vein to this on
misc.health.alternative, we might put more credence on your
posting if you gave us some background.

Are you a diabetic?

Type 1 or 2?

Oh, and what do you sell?

I'll do you a favour; I'll save you the trouble of typing
your next post, and copy what you said on m.h.a. here:

"I went to a natural doctor here and she gave me an herbal
tea that is made complete from foods and it has helped me
lose more than 30 pounds it also has helped me reshape. I am
of course much healthier and it has helped with other
problems like my heart and liver. I really want to tell
people about this product but the best I can do is tell you
it works and you can call them at 1 800 ...... ext .....
They also have a product for diabetes, a very common problem
among us fat guys."

Do yourself a favour. If you truly are diabetic, lurk here
for a month, read Jennifer, read some of the cites, and stop
taking Tahitian supplements.

You'll profit far more from doing that than trying to sell
us herbal teas.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

"Lanakila" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes
place here is farther away from the goal of this group
than any advertisements or discussion on products that may
be of help to some of us.

I know for me I have not talked at all about a product
that is having tremondous results here in Hawaii

cc'd by email Well, we don't allow scamming [censored] to sell
their "homeopathic" frauds here

Go back to touting your "cure" in the pennysaver

Lanakila said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes
place here is farther away from the goal of this group
than any advertisements or discussion on products that may
be of help to some of us.

I know for me I have not talked at all about a product
that is having tremondous results here in Hawaii because
people just start telling you how it does not work and how
all you want to do is make money. Nope I would rather tell
people about a very effective and inexpesive product that
is working with out going through all the BS and
accussations. But how sad is that! Literaaly millions of
people are missing out on a good thing. I know of a
product that is actually helping people here and can not
tell anyone here about it, this place full of diabetics
and loved ones of diabetics! Taht is a little crazy.
However it is perfectly okay for people to continuously
bicker and insult one another here. Why is that allowed
and tolerated and why do people participate in it?

Does the charter say something about that? And if so why
isn't it pointed out? Ugly attitude is just as destructive
as any diease, as a matter of fact many beleive it could
be what causes many physical ailments.

I think any and all discussion on the subject and anything
related to it should be tolerated. If you do not want to
read it then do not. There may be something for some one
and if just one person is helped isn't that good?

Lets be responsisble for our actions and let the next
person see our example. Stop the spiral.

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as
history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

cc'd by email Well, we don't allow scamming [censored] to sell
their "homeopathic" frauds here

Go back to touting your "cure" in the pennysaver

Lanakila said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes
place here is farther away from the goal of this group
than any advertisements or discussion on products that may
be of help to some of us.

I know for me I have not talked at all about a product
that is having tremondous results here in Hawaii because
people just start telling you how it does not work and how
all you want to do is make money. Nope I would rather tell
people about a very effective and inexpesive product that
is working with out going through all the BS and
accussations. But how sad is that! Literaaly millions of
people are missing out on a good thing. I know of a
product that is actually helping people here and can not
tell anyone here about it, this place full of diabetics
and loved ones of diabetics! Taht is a little crazy.
However it is perfectly okay for people to continuously
bicker and insult one another here. Why is that allowed
and tolerated and why do people participate in it?

Does the charter say something about that? And if so why
isn't it pointed out? Ugly attitude is just as destructive
as any diease, as a matter of fact many beleive it could
be what causes many physical ailments.

I think any and all discussion on the subject and anything
related to it should be tolerated. If you do not want to
read it then do not. There may be something for some one
and if just one person is helped isn't that good?

Lets be responsisble for our actions and let the next
person see our example. Stop the spiral.

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as
history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

(Lanakila) said:

I think any and all discussion on the subject and anything
related to it should be tolerated. If you do not want to
read it then do not. There may be something for some one
and if just one person is helped isn't that good?

Constantly abusive posters are easy to deal with; I like the
old term "twit filter" better....

Lots of "alternative" treatments are discussed openly and
reasonably here, but be forewarned if it looks like you're
peddling them you should look up a good source of Nomex
underwear. There are occasional spam postings for obviously
scammish things, but I'm not a good enough composer of haiku
to respond. The best thing in Hawai'I for diabetes is, IMHO,
just wandering about eating good food and walking a lot. My
recent 2 weeks on Kaua'I logged some of the best readings
since I started keeping them (except for the sweet barbecue
platter with white rice....). The tone of your post makes me
think "spanked spammer," but hopefully I'm wrong. It
wouldn't be unusual.

Peace,

Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at
www.albany.net/~gwoods Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420'
elevation. NY WO G

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Quoted message said:

Lanakila said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes
place here is farther away from the goal of this group
than any advertisements or discussion on products that
may be of help to some of us.

If you are reading this don't say you were not worned.

Okay what do you or did you span us with? BJ

Id be welling too bet it were Nani Joos.

--
Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jboveOpen ↗

(Lanakila) said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes place
here is farther away from the goal of this group than any
advertisements or discussion on products that may be of
help to some of us.

Hi Lanakila

As your only other post here was on ALA, and google shows up
just a few in similar vein to this on
misc.health.alternative, we might put more credence on your
posting if you gave us some background.

Alan I do not know what you are referring to here.
What is ALA? I have actually posted a couple of
times here and on the alternative diabetes group.

Are you a diabetic?

I was diabetic.

Type 1 or 2?

I was type 2

Oh, and what do you sell?

I created and sell an herbal blend that was designed
for diabetics but is actually doing a lot more for
people. It is currently going through an assay test
to insure that the ingredients on the label are what
is really in the bottle.

I'll do you a favour; I'll save you the trouble of typing
your next post, and copy what you said on m.h.a. here:

What is m.h.a.? I do not know where you got the post
from but that isn't me. I do not go to any natural
doctor anywhere.

Do yourself a favour. If you truly are diabetic, lurk here
for a month, read Jennifer, read some of the cites, and stop
taking Tahitian supplements.

You'll profit far more from doing that than trying to sell
us herbal teas.

I do not take Tahitian supplements as Noni
and I do not get along. Noni, like any other
herb can not be taken by everyone. I am not
able to take it.

So please be more careful in your response as
you do have me mixed up with someone else.

My whole point in my original post is that it seems very
strange that people get so twisted over someone talking or
selling something that may or not be good, but tolerate all
the bashing between humans here. That is very incredible to
me. That we would be more upset over someone trying to tell
us about a product (good or bad) than we are over people
beating on each other.

I am not here trying to sell anyone anything. My product
already sells very well and is doing exactly what I intended
it to do. I am very aware of the no selling policy and do
not intend to violate it. I just wanted to know why what I
consider to be more evil and perverse is okay. I have been
reading people's post here and on the diabetes group to try
and figure out how to over come the stereotypes people have
regarding pharmacuticals and herbals. Both have alot to
offer but do to the dishonesty of individuals and the greed
of others it is hard to get a effective product in the ahnds
then need to be in. One of my very first post was on that
subject and asking people what they thought.

I just buried someone I love very much this past weekend, we
are not sure if the diabetes or the cancer got her. The
point is she could have lived longer and healthier if she
were allowed access to all available information and make
decisions for herself and be active in her treatments. But
instead her doctor and her sons chose to ignore what she was
saying and did not take the time to educate themselves on
alternatives, either chemical or natural.

There are good and bad products but people must be allowed
to have the information and figure it out for themselves.
That's all.

Aloha Alan;

I just thought it might help you if I copied here for you my
post to the two groups I frequent here.

A hui hou malama kou kino.

Related groups: misc.health.alternative

Regulation of medicines and homeopathic remedies ...
herbal/natural/alternative remedies. If you have any good
links or articles I would appreciate having them as well.
Mahalo; Lanakila misc.health.alternative - May 9, 2004 by
Lanakila - View Thread (1 article)

Why alternative medicine "works"... People's remarks that
blanket all pharmacueticals bad and alternative remedies bad
are uneducated on the subject. Like anything ...
misc.health.alternative - May 16, 2004 by Lanakila - View
Thread (127 articles)

Re: Profits regulations benefits victims I am brand new to
this group. I have hesitated from joining any groups for a
long time because there seems to be so much "bashing" in
alot of them. ... misc.health.alternative - May 9, 2004 by
David Wright - View Thread (2 articles)

Re: Charter Hi Lanakila As your only other post here was on
ALA, and google shows up just a few in similar vein to this
on misc.health.alternative, we might put more ...
misc.health.diabetes - Jun 3, 2004 by Alan - View Thread
(14 articles)

[ABUSE] Re: Charter All the name calling, bashing and
ridicule that takes place here is farther away from the goal
of this group than any advertisements or discussion on
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Re: Peripheral Neuropathy Recurrence Just thought you might
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Lanakila <[email hidden]> wrote on 3 Jun 2004 23:17:33 -0700:

Quoted message said:

On 3 Jun 2004 09:33:00 -0700, [email hidden]
(Lanakila) wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes
place here is farther away from the goal of this group
than any advertisements or discussion on products that may
be of help to some of us.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi Lanakila

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are you a diabetic?

Quoted message said:

I was diabetic.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Type 1 or 2?

Quoted message said:

I was type 2

As a matter of interest, the past tense doesn't belong
in those sentences. What makes you think you're no
longer type 2?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Oh, and what do you sell?

Quoted message said:

I created and sell an herbal blend that was designed for
diabetics but is actually doing a lot more for people.
It is currently going through an assay test to insure
that the ingredients on the label are what is really in
the bottle.

In what sense is the herbal blend "for" diabetics, any more
than for anybody else?

[ .... ]

Quoted message said:

My whole point in my original post is that it seems very
strange that people get so twisted over someone talking or
selling something that may or not be good, but tolerate
all the bashing between humans here. That is very
incredible to me. That we would be more upset over someone
trying to tell us about a product (good or bad) than we
are over people beating on each other.

The point is, people swearing at each other, despicable
though it may be, doesn't do a great deal of harm to
these people. Might even do some good, by releasing
tension, and so on.

However, people selling potions here typically say,
explicitly or implicitly, that these potions are an
alternative to medication, and are better and/or cheaper.
This is highly unlikely to be the case. Anybody switching
from medication to a potion is likely to suffer severe
health damage, but won't notice it for a long time to come.
This is why people here get angry.

This newsgroup gets overwhelmed by sellers of potions. There
may be a few posts here which are for genuine discussion of
these substances, but they are few indeed. Such a post might
well be politely discussed here.

Quoted message said:

I am not here trying to sell anyone anything. My product
already sells very well and is doing exactly what I
intended it to do. I am very aware of the no selling
policy and do not intend to violate it. I just wanted to
know why what I consider to be more evil and perverse is
okay. I have been reading people's post here and on the
diabetes group to try and figure out how to over come the
stereotypes people have regarding pharmacuticals and
herbals. Both have a lot to offer but due to the
dishonesty of individuals and the greed of others it is
hard to get a effective product in the hands they need to
be in. One of my very first posts was on that subject and
asking people what they thought.

I think you've just summed up for yourself why posts selling
herbs are so unwelcome here - greed and dishonesty.

Quoted message said:

I just buried someone I love very much this past weekend,
we are not sure if the diabetes or the cancer got her.

Sorry to hear that.

Quoted message said:

The point is she could have lived longer and healthier if
she were allowed access to all available information and
make decisions for herself and be active in her
treatments. But instead her doctor and her sons chose to
ignore what she was saying and did not take the time to
educate themselves on alternatives, either chemical or
natural.

Quoted message said:

There are good and bad products but people must be allowed
to have the information and figure it out for themselves.
That's all.

People must be allowed to have the information, yes, but
people must also be protected against dishonesty and fraud.
Giving this protection is the motivation behind the people
who slam product advertisements on this newsgroup.

--
Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [email hidden]; to
decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like "aa"😉,
remove half of them (leaving, say, "a"😉.

Quoted message said:

There are good and bad products but people must be allowed
to have the information and figure it out for themselves.
That's all.

MUSI BE ALLOWED is the most important part. I am very sorry
but we do not have to set back and allow any money making
[censored] to be touted here. There is no real proof that these
products work and some do harm. We object to the scamming of
sick people.

Each reply is another commercial and you like others try to
get free advertising here.

Diabetics---get you medical care from a doctor with years of
training and at least some trace of ethics.

Colored, flavored water cures nothing,

That's all. Please cease you rambling. You are far down
the list of spammers tat try here. By your own posts you
are a spammer..

(Lanakila) said:

Type 1 or 2?

I was type 2

I rest my case.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Quoted message said:

Are you a diabetic?

I was diabetic.

Unless you were pregnant at the time, you're showing a
woeful lack of knowledge on the subject ....

Quoted message said:

Type 1 or 2?

I was type 2

You sure that shouldn't be "I AM No. 2" .....

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There are good and bad products but people must be allowed
to have the information and figure it out for themselves.

I'd tend to agree with that statement, *BUT* I do *not*
believe that the person whose interest is purely in selling
the product is the proper person to be pushing the
information ...

Unfortunately for the purveyors of so-called "miracle cures"
and the ilk, this particular newsgroup is dedicated to a
failing of the human body that currently has no cure .... it
does not go into remission, and once it's there, it's there
for life (other than the likes of gestational diabetes) ....
hence peddling "cures" here is like trying to flog a dead
horse ..... and about as welcome as the rotting corpse of
that dead horse ...

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Quoted message said:

I am not here trying to sell anyone anything. My
product already sells very well and is doing exactly
what I intended it to do. I am very aware of the no
selling policy and do not intend to violate it. I just
wanted to know why what I consider to be more evil and
perverse is okay.

Quoted message said:

There are good and bad products but people must be allowed
to have the information and figure it out for themselves.
That's all.

bottom line....... regardless of how you feel........
ADVERTISING IS NOT ALLOWED HERE

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The point is, people swearing at each other, despicable
though it may be, doesn't do a great deal of harm to
these people. Might even do some good, by releasing
tension, and so on.

Even the most gullible person will not be mislead into
trying something potentially harmful by somebody else's
flame-war ..

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