Charter

Lanakila said:

[ABUSE] Re: Charter All the name calling, bashing and
ridicule that takes place here is farther away from the
goal of this group than any advertisements or discussion
on products ... misc.health.diabetes - Jun 3, 2004 by BJ
in Texas - View Thread (2 articles)

Pretty abusive editing spammy LOL BJ

Lanakila said:

I'll do you a favour; I'll save you the trouble of typing
your next post, and copy what you said on m.h.a. here:

What is m.h.a.? I do not know where you got the post
from but that isn't me. I do not go to any natural
doctor anywhere.

hmmmmm....oh but it is you; here is a link to your
exact post...

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On 3 Jun 2004 09:33:00 -0700, [email hidden]

(Lanakila) said:

All the name calling, bashing and ridicule that takes
place here is farther away from the goal of this group
than any advertisements or discussion on products that
may be of help to some of us.

Hi Lanakila

As your only other post here was on ALA, and google shows
up just a few in similar vein to this on
misc.health.alternative, we might put more credence on
your posting if you gave us some background.

Alan I do not know what you are referring to
here. What is ALA? I have actually posted a
couple of times here and on the alternative
diabetes group.

Are you a diabetic?

I was diabetic.

If you were, you still are. If you're not now, you never
were before. Simple facts like that are often lost on
people who have something to sell. We don't like people
with [censored] to sell.

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Type 1 or 2?

I was type 2

And now you're T what?

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Oh, and what do you sell?

I created and sell an herbal blend that was
designed for diabetics

"Designed"? How was it designed? And you speak as if you
created it, but didn't design it. I doubt you did either.

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but is actually doing a lot more for people. It is
currently going through an assay test to insure
that the ingredients on the label are what is
really in the bottle.

So you're not sure what you put in there? (I can
believe that)

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I'll do you a favour; I'll save you the trouble of typing
your next post, and copy what you said on m.h.a. here:

What is m.h.a.? I do not know where you got the post
from but that isn't me. I do not go to any natural
doctor anywhere.

Do yourself a favour. If you truly are diabetic, lurk here
for a month, read Jennifer, read some of the cites, and
stop taking Tahitian supplements.

You'll profit far more from doing that than trying to sell
us herbal teas.

I do not take Tahitian supplements as Noni
and I do not get along. Noni, like any other
herb can not be taken by everyone. I am not
able to take it.

So please be more careful in your response as
you do have me mixed up with someone else.

My whole point in my original post is that it seems very
strange that people get so twisted over someone talking
or selling something that may or not be good, but
tolerate all the bashing between humans here. That is
very incredible to me. That we would be more upset over
someone trying to tell us about a product (good or bad)
than we are over people beating on each other.

Well, we could beat on you if you want.

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I am not here trying to sell anyone anything. My product
already sells very well and is doing exactly what I
intended it to do. I am very aware of the no selling
policy and do not intend to violate it.

I just

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wanted to know why what I consider to be more evil and
perverse is okay. I have been reading people's post here
and on the diabetes group

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to try and figure out how to over come the stereotypes
people have regarding pharmacuticals and herbals. Both
have alot to offer but do to the dishonesty of individuals
and the greed of others it is hard to get a effective
product in the ahnds then need to be in. One of my very
first post was on that subject and asking people what they
thought.

I just buried someone I love very much this past weekend,
we are not sure if the diabetes or the cancer got her. The
point is she could have lived longer and healthier if she
were allowed access to all available information and make
decisions for herself and be active in her treatments.

You THINK.

But instead her doctor and her sons chose to ignore

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what she was saying and did not take the time to educate
themselves on alternatives, either chemical or natural.

Blame them then.

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There are good and bad products but people must be allowed
to have the information and figure it out for themselves.
That's all.

I have a feeling that's NOT all at all.

Beav

Aloha Alan;

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As a matter of interest, the past tense doesn't belong
in those sentences. What makes you think you're no
longer type 2?

I have no signs symptons or anythign associated with
diabetes. Except my vision is still bad, but I am
researchign some treatments to restore it.

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In what sense is the herbal blend "for" diabetics, any
more than for anybody else?

When I designed this particular blend it was done so
to assist the diabetic. Since it has been out we are
finding that it is helping other conditions.

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The point is, people swearing at each other, despicable
though it may be, doesn't do a great deal of harm to
these people. Might even do some good, by releasing
tension, and so on.

Personally I do not thinking belittling anyone in
any way is helpful to any one. There are better and
more satisfying ways to relieve stress and tension.

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However, people selling potions here typically say,
explicitly or implicitly, that these potions are an
alternative to medication, and are better and/or cheaper.
This is highly unlikely to be the case. Anybody switching
from medication to a potion is likely to suffer severe
health damage, but won't notice it for a long time to
come. This is why people here get angry.

I do no think potions are an advisible
alternative. Nor do I think anyone who says leave
your medicines for this blend is doing anyone any
good. I believe that there is a way to allow for
each type of treatment to compliment each other.
I also believe that unless people are able to
freely and openly express what they know about
something, to someone who is willing to actively
research and check it out, then we will be stuck
in this place of no growht and change.

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This newsgroup gets overwhelmed by sellers of potions.
There may be a few posts here which are for genuine
discussion of these substances, but they are few indeed.
Such a post might well be politely discussed here.

I must be missing something because I have not
seen alot of potion selling here! But that might
be because I do not read eveything. Only those
items that are of interest.

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People must be allowed to have the information, yes, but
people must also be protected against dishonesty and
fraud. Giving this protection is the motivation behind the
people who slam product advertisements on this newsgroup.

Slamming a product or an advertisement does not
protect someone from being ripped of or being
misinformed. What causes this is failure on the
part of the reader to research what is being
said. I hope we all here research the meds
prescribed and scrutinize them as closely as we
do herbal and alternative treatments. I am still
amazed at how people are told by their doctors
that they have an incurable disease and the
person does not take the time to search out
other possible solutions. They take the word of
a person who they paid to tell them that,
continues to pay them to tell them that and does
nothing else to see what can be done. Is the
difference that you slected that docotr? Is the
difference that you have heeard the say same
thing over and over?

If I were standing on my last leg I would be
looking at all possible ways to keep that leg up
and running. I would explore ways to get the
other one back.

A hui hou Malama kou kino. Lanakila

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I have no signs symptons or anythign associated with
diabetes. Except my vision is still bad, but I am
researchign some treatments to restore it.

So you are not diabetic. Have the decency to leave these
groups to real diabetics., Many media outlets will be glad
to accept your advertising but you will have to pay for it.
We do not need or want you here CURE is a four letter word
but still only a word for diabetics.

Lanakila <[email hidden]> wrote on 4 Jun 2004 08:25:36 -0700:

Quoted message said:

Aloha Alan;

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As a matter of interest, the past tense doesn't belong in
those sentences. What makes you think you're no longer
type 2?

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I have no signs symptons or anything associated with
diabetes. Except my vision is still bad, but I am
researching some treatments to restore it.

Were you really diabetic in the first place, then?

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In what sense is the herbal blend "for" diabetics, any
more than for anybody else?

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When I designed this particular blend it was done
so to assist the diabetic. Since it has been out
we are finding that it is helping other
conditions.

Hmmm. That doesn't really answer my question. Let me try
again: What are the nutritional/medical/chemical attributes
of the herbal blend which make it peculiarly suited to
diabetics?

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The point is, people swearing at each other, despicable
though it may be, doesn't do a great deal of harm to
these people. Might even do some good, by releasing
tension, and so on.

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Personally I do not thinking belittling anyone in
any way is helpful to any one. There are better
and more satisfying ways to relieve stress and
tension.

I dislike it. But whether alternative ways are "better" or
"more satisfying" depends on the person doing it.
Everybody's milage varies.

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However, people selling potions here typically say,
explicitly or implicitly, that these potions are an
alternative to medication, and are better and/or cheaper.
This is highly unlikely to be the case. Anybody switching
from medication to a potion is likely to suffer severe
health damage, but won't notice it for a long time to
come. This is why people here get angry.

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I do no think potions are an advisible
alternative. Nor do I think anyone who says
leave your medicines for this blend is doing
anyone any good.

That's very encouraging to hear. Now, if the sellers could
go further, and state definitively that their products were
*not* a substitute for medication, that would go a
considerable way to reducing the hostility against them
expressed in this group.

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I believe that there is a way to allow for each
type of treatment to compliment each other. I
also believe that unless people are able to
freely and openly express what they know about
something, to someone who is willing to
actively research and check it out, then we
will be stuck in this place of no growth and
change.

Trouble is, most people _aren't_ able and willing to check
these things out. It's a long weary process, and there are
only so many hours in a year. For most things in life, it's
a matter of finding somebody to trust - for things diabetic,
a specialist doctor is a good bet, though far from
infallible.

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This newsgroup gets overwhelmed by sellers of potions.
There may be a few posts here which are for genuine
discussion of these substances, but they are few indeed.
Such a post might well be politely discussed here.

Quoted message said:

I must be missing something because I have not
seen alot of potion selling here! But that
might be because I do not read eveything. Only
those items that are of interest.

There are a _lot_. Google for the poster Bob Blaylock: Most
of his posts are responses to such sellers.

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People must be allowed to have the information, yes, but
people must also be protected against dishonesty and
fraud. Giving this protection is the motivation behind
the people who slam product advertisements on this
newsgroup.

Quoted message said:

Slamming a product or an advertisement does not
protect someone from being ripped of or being
misinformed. What causes this is failure on the
part of the reader to research what is being
said.

Slamming a product says to the casual (i.e. typical) reader
"don't trust the this seller too much, don't trust the
product too much". Occasionally this will prompt the reader
to do research on it.

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I hope we all here research the meds prescribed
and scrutinize them as closely as we do herbal
and alternative treatments.

Licenced medications have already been scrutinized by
regulatory authorities, and this inspires a high degree of
trust, even if this is sometimes misplaced (thalidomide
happened). For example, I got prescribed a pain-killer 3
weeks ago, but I wasn't going to be spending several hours
tracking down evidence about it on the web. Unfortunately,
herbal treatments haven't been scrutinized with anything
like the rigour that standard meds have, so the degree of
scepticism has got to be higher.

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I am still amazed at how people are told by
their doctors that they have an incurable
disease and the person does not take the time
to search out other possible solutions. They
take the word of a person who they paid to tell
them that, continues to pay them to tell them
that and does nothing else to see what can be
done. Is the difference that you selected that
doctor? Is the difference that you have heeard
the say same thing over and over?

I have type I diabetes, which is currently incurable. You're
suggesting to me I spend time in a search for a cure which,
with overwhelming probability, is going to be fruitless,
rather than getting on with my life, I think. I don't want
to do this. But I've spent a lot of time investigating
different treatment strategies and drugs.

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If I were standing on my last leg I would be
looking at all possible ways to keep that leg up
and running. I would explore ways to get the
other one back.

Maybe. But eventually, not having succeded, you might have
to come to terms with the loss of all legs but one[*]. This
could be a lot tougher if you've spent years searching for
the other one.

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A hui hou Malama kou kino. Lanakila

Heh! That sounds good. :-)

[*] Peter Cooke: "Two is the normal minimum requirement in
the leg department." :-)

--
Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [email hidden]; to
decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like "aa"😉,
remove half of them (leaving, say, "a"😉.

Alan Mackenzie said:

[*] Peter Cooke: "Two is the normal minimum requirement in
the leg department." :-)

Thanks for reminding me of that one Alan.

One of the classic comedy sketches of all time. Sadly, the
unidexter audition is rarely repeated on TV out here.

My favourite line, to the one-legged actor applying for the
role of Tarzan:

"I've got nothing against your right leg. The trouble is -
neither have you. "

Full text at: worldofhurt.co.uklegOpen ↗

Thanks

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Alan said:

Alan Mackenzie said:

[*] Peter Cooke: "Two is the normal minimum requirement in
the leg department." :-)

Thanks for reminding me of that one Alan.

One of the classic comedy sketches of all time. Sadly, the
unidexter audition is rarely repeated on TV out here.

My favourite line, to the one-legged actor applying for the
role of Tarzan:

"I've got nothing against your right leg. The trouble is -
neither have you. "

Full text at: worldofhurt.co.uklegOpen ↗

Thanks

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
to email.

I may sue you'se guys for discrimination.

One of mine is I lost 50 pound in one hour.. On the
operating table. Beats any diet I know about.about.

Mona and I had a laugh when she forgot and asked
"which shoe"

I tore down a 120 foot fence today and pulled several posts
from a golf cart. The worst thing is in the middle of the
project the cart failed. Finally got it to run. But note I
am in a good mood tonight. Hint--Hint. For me real work
beats any expensive machine. And I did something useful. Guy

Guy said:

Alan said:

Alan Mackenzie said:

[*] Peter Cooke: "Two is the normal minimum requirement
in the leg department." :-)

Thanks for reminding me of that one Alan.

One of the classic comedy sketches of all time. Sadly, the
unidexter audition is rarely repeated on TV out here.

My favourite line, to the one-legged actor applying for
the role of Tarzan:

"I've got nothing against your right leg. The trouble is -
neither have you. "

Full text at: worldofhurt.co.uklegOpen ↗

Thanks

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
to email.

I may sue you'se guys for discrimination.

One of mine is I lost 50 pound in one hour.. On the
operating table. Beats any diet I know about.about.

Mona and I had a laugh when she forgot and asked
"which shoe"

I tore down a 120 foot fence today and pulled several
posts from a golf cart. The worst thing is in the middle
of the project the cart failed. Finally got it to run. But
note I am in a good mood tonight. Hint--Hint. For me real
work beats any expensive machine. And I did something
useful. Guy

Hi Guy

You were the first one to come to mind :-) Did you read it
all? Very clever wording in nearly every line.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.