Should I?

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I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout....

On a roundabout I'd rather keep my hands on the bars rather
than start "thanking" people for obeying the highway code!

One day you will need your hands on the bars when you
suddenly need to brake after someone "gives way" to you then
promptly drives straight into your path becasue they "did
not see you".......

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I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout, or desist
from squeezing past me on a narrow section of road.

Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

Or is this wrong because it will make them think that they
are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying the HC,
and that they would be justified in not doing the same if
they were in a hurry next time? (Remember that not every
motorist believes - albeit wrongly - that cyclists have
quite the same status on the roads as other vehicles.)

--

Sure when its safe to do, when driving if someone gives way
I'll acknowledge them with a small raused hand, they will do
the same, a little courtesy helps the world go round, or
something.

BTW, and this isn't necessarily directed at you, people
arent 'drivers' or 'cyclists' etc, they drive ride or walk.
That driver who gave way to you might also be a cyclist
sometimes. Maybe it was me :-)

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Tumbleweed

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I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout, or desist
from squeezing past me on a narrow section of road.

Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

Or is this wrong because it will make them think that they
are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying the HC,
and that they would be justified in not doing the same if
they were in a hurry next time? (Remember that not every
motorist believes - albeit wrongly - that cyclists have
quite the same status on the roads as other vehicles.)

--
Akin

aknak at aksoto dot idps dot co dot uk

I don't believe there can ever be too much politeness out on
the roads. As a driver, I don't sit there thinking I've done
that cyclist a favour when one waves. I tend to believe that
they're just grateful that they haven't had another git
trying to get to the next jam faster than them. As a cyclist
I always wave. Anything to help get them out of the trance
they normally drive around in. Dave.

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"Wild Wind" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2i9idqFkcoi2U1@uni-
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Quoted message said:

I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout, or desist
from squeezing past me on a narrow section of road.

Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

Or is this wrong because it will make them think that
they are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying
the HC, and that they would be justified in not doing
the same if they were in a hurry next time? (Remember
that not every motorist believes - albeit wrongly - that
cyclists have quite the same status on the roads as
other vehicles.)

--
Akin

aknak at aksoto dot idps dot co dot uk

I don't believe there can ever be too much politeness out
on the roads.

So long as it doesn't lead to "After you, Claude" "No, after
*you*" "No, after *you*"

Then both decide to go at the same time.

Which is why (generally) :

If it's your right-of-way - take it (provided doing so
isn't going to cause a problem) If it's NOT your right-of-
way - give it.

Sometimes, there are occasions when it would have been
nice to stop and, say, let someone cross. Great - until
motorbike man thunders up the outside ("Wot's 'ee bloody
well 'angin' around for"😉 .... and ploughs into the people
who are crossing in front of your vehicle. Who *caused*
the accident?

Better - safer - for *everyone* to *know* the rules, and
*abide by them.*. Then we all might have some chance of
knowing what other people are doing ....

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As a driver, I don't sit there thinking I've done that
cyclist a favour

when

Quoted message said:

one waves. I tend to believe that they're just grateful
that they haven't had another git trying to get to the
next jam faster than them. As a cyclist I always wave.
Anything to help get them out of the trance

they

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normally drive around in. Dave.

In general I hate these people who reverse the rules of the
road in the hope of collecting a wave. It leads to
confusion. It is particularly annoying when the car 'giving
way' would be better getting out of the way and leaving you
to make your own decisions instead of 'waving you out' to
get a little wave.

Why do some drivers show more consideration to rat runners
on side roads than the 20 cars behind them. Will they let me
in to the check-out queue at the supermarket???

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Regards

John

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Wild Wind said:

I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout, or desist
from squeezing past me on a narrow section of road.

Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

Or is this wrong because it will make them think that
they are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying
the HC, and that they would be justified in not doing
the same if they were in a hurry next time? (Remember
that not every motorist believes - albeit wrongly - that
cyclists have quite the same status on the roads as
other vehicles.)

(Posted from urc) Yes, I think you should. Not because it
makes them feel good because they are doing you a favour,
but because it reinforces their awareness of cyclists, and
that they appreciate being treated as proper road users
when so often they are not. It's more likely that they'll
do it again, and also the the person behind will notice
and do it next time.

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John <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

In general I hate these people who reverse the rules of
the road in the hope of collecting a wave. It leads to
confusion. It is particularly annoying when the car
'giving way' would be better getting out of the way and
leaving you to make your own decisions instead of 'waving
you out' to get a little wave.

Yes, it's very annoying when the car inquestion has a huge
gap behind them and you're just ready to go once they're out
of the way, and then suddenly they throw your timing out by
stopping. Happens when cycling, walking or driving in my
experience.

A

Wild Wind said:

I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout, or desist
from squeezing past me on a narrow section of road.

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Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

I would say that it is right.

Exactly that (the holding back at a deliberately-narrowed
part of the road) happened today, and the cyclist
acknowledged it.

Courtesy costs nowt.

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Or is this wrong because it will make them think that they
are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying the HC,
and that they would be justified in not doing the same if
they were in a hurry next time? (Remember that not every
motorist believes - albeit wrongly - that cyclists have
quite the same status on the roads as other vehicles.)

Well, that depends on the situation.

In the absence of lane-lines, for instance, there is nothing
(except space) to stop a driver squeezing past at a
restriction. That he does not do so is a courtesy (as well
as common sense). It is a good idea to acknowledge courtesy.

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(Posted from urc) Yes, I think you should. Not because it
makes them feel good because they are doing you a favour,
but because it reinforces their awareness of cyclists, and
that they appreciate being treated as proper road users
when so often they are not. It's more likely that they'll
do it again, and also the the person behind will notice
and do it next time.

Absolutely. The thread is going in two slightly different
directions: the "giving up right of way" thing, which should
only be offered or accepted with caution, and the "thanks
for a small favour" thing, which helps the world go round,
and (to me, at least) gives the impression that we'll all
get where we're going a bit more easily.

What I like about waves of thanks is that sudden little
shock of perception that the other person in the transaction
is *not* an anonymous "driver", or a "cyclist" or whatever,
but another human being. Or maybe I'm just having an old
hippie moment. :-)

--
Mark, UK. We hope to hear him swear, we love to hear him
squeak, We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

John said:

In general I hate these people who reverse the rules of
the road in the hope of collecting a wave. It leads to
confusion. It is particularly annoying when the car
'giving way' would be better getting out of the way and
leaving you to make your own decisions instead of 'waving
you out' to get a little wave.

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Why do some drivers show more consideration to rat runners
on side roads than the 20 cars behind them. Will they let
me in to the check-out queue at the supermarket???

How do you know they are rat-runners?

How do you expect the driver of the car in front to know
they are rat-runners?

Couldn't they live in that road or another one running off
it?

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Wild Wind said:

I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout, or desist
from squeezing past me on a narrow section of road.

Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

Or is this wrong because it will make them think that they
are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying the HC,
and that they would be justified in not doing the same if
they were in a hurry next time? (Remember that not every
motorist believes - albeit wrongly - that cyclists have
quite the same status on the roads as other vehicles.)

Think about your children. Do you reward them for good
behaviour or ignore them because otherwise they might think
good behaviour is something special?

Tony

Wild Wind said:

I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout, or desist
from squeezing past me on a narrow section of road.

Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

It's what I do. Behaving in a polite manner just helps
oil the gears on which society runs. And IME motorists do
it back to me as well. It just makes me feel that
everyone is making an effort to look after one other,
which is a Good Thing.

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Or is this wrong because it will make them think that they
are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying the HC,
and that they would be justified in not doing the same if
they were in a hurry next time?

I don't think so. I see it as acknowledging good,
considerate driving. Otherwise doing the right thing isn't
seen as anything special, which I think it should be.

Pete.
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ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
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John said:

In general I hate these people who reverse the rules of
the road in the hope of collecting a wave.

Bit of a sweeping assumption. Last time I gave up a right of
way was going up a steep hill with the cars parked on the
other side, so the car coming down technically had to cede
RoW to me. It was a steep hill and I had a heavy load, I'd
have taken ages on the bike, so I pulled in and waved him
down. Delayed me a few seconds, saved delaying him a couple
of minutes. It was just the most obviously fair thing to do.

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Why do some drivers show more consideration to rat runners
on side roads than the 20 cars behind them. Will they let
me in to the check-out queue at the supermarket???

There are people living in side roads too. If nobody gives
way to them then they could be stuck there for ages, letting
them out doesn't cost anyone on the main road more than a
few seconds. People can spare seconds easily as that sort of
delay is factored in to most journeys.

No, they won't let them in at a supermarket, as there isn't
a RoW conflict that could cause them to be held up 10 times
longer than anyone else joining the system.

Pete.
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(Posted from urc) Yes, I think you should. Not because it
makes them feel good because they are doing you a favour,
but because it reinforces their awareness of cyclists, and
that they appreciate being treated as proper road users
when so often they are not. It's more likely that they'll
do it again, and also the the person behind will notice
and do it next time.

Behavioural psychology 101. Behaviour that is positively
reinforced,
i.e. rewarded, is more likely to be repeated. A smile and a
nod does this quite effectively.

--
Dave...

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I have a habit of sometimes waving 'thanks' to motorists
who give way to me when I'm on a roundabout,

I'm not sure what the detailed circumstances are when
you wave...

It seems obvious that you are not taking your first exit,
and that there is no traffic behind you on the roundabout;
so you are probably well out from the left of the road. If
you are taking the next exit, you should be about to signal
left; if you are going past the next (second) exit, you
would be signalling right, and the car might be able to
pull out anyway. Either way, how would you wave?

Wild Wind:

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Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

It's right because it shows your gratitude for their
courtesy. If they did it for you this time, chances are they
are the sort of considerate person that would do the same
for someone else on another occasion anyway.

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Or is this wrong because it will make them think that they
are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying the HC

The world would be a much better place if all road users
were more courteous to each other - cyclists, motorists,
pedestrians, everyone. Whether they are doing it because
they feel they have to or because they are just being
courteous, it is always right to acknowledge the 'favour'.

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and that they would be justified in not doing the same if
they were in a hurry next time?

Well, you would be justified in giving them a different hand
signal on that occasion.

d.

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Wild Wind:

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Is this right, because it will encourage them to do the
same the next time they encounter another cyclist in the
same situation?

It's right because it shows your gratitude for their
courtesy. If they did it for you this time, chances are
they are the sort of considerate person that would do the
same for someone else on another occasion anyway.

True.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Or is this wrong because it will make them think that
they are somehow doing me a 'favour' instead of obeying
the HC

The world would be a much better place if all road users
were more courteous to each other - cyclists, motorists,
pedestrians, everyone. Whether they are doing it because
they feel they have to or because they are just being
courteous, it is always right to acknowledge the 'favour'.

True.

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and that they would be justified in not doing the same
if they were in a hurry next time?

Well, you would be justified in giving them a different
hand signal on that occasion.

False.

You SHOULD put something 'descriptive' in the SUBJECT line,
that's what is there for !!! Martin

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You SHOULD put something 'descriptive' in the SUBJECT
line, that's what is there for !!!

Don't sweat the small stuff.

Martin² said:

You SHOULD put something 'descriptive' in the SUBJECT line,
that's what is there for !!!

Cite please. I can't find this in any of the RFCs dealing
with NNTP.
<g>

Pete Barrett