Stevia

"Joan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Anybody here ever tried Stevia? It SEEMS to be a safer alternative than Aspertame and Splenda.

Happy holidays to all.

Splenda is fine. Aspartame is fine. Stevia is good too, however the afrertaste is brutal, and it
tastes like licorice.

M nesbitt

m nesbitt said:

"Joan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Anybody here ever tried Stevia? It SEEMS to be a safer alternative than Aspertame and Splenda.

Happy holidays to all.

Splenda is fine. Aspartame is fine. Stevia is good too, however the afrertaste is brutal, and it
tastes like licorice.

M nesbitt

Depends on what form you use it in. I have the packets, and I don't taste any licorice at all. I'm
slowly weaning myself off of products that use Aspartame (nutrasweet). Been using it for years, and
I'm sure that there has to be SOME kind of damage done, even if it's minor. Plus, I'm also a renal
patient, so I figure less artificial products in, then I won't build up as many toxins (since
dialysis doesn't remove all of them).

Here's some info on Stevia Joan. You can come to your own conclusions:

Healthier Sweetener and Stevia Resources: holisticmed.comsweetOpen ↗

Stevia - The Natural Sweetener healthy.netstevia.aspOpen ↗

Stevia.net: stevia.netstevia.netOpen ↗

Hope that helps. Good luck.

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The proper way to form an opinion is to say, : In MY opinion ..........

You made a statement....

Conni Brady "You only thought you got rid of me" Aspartame Awareness www.bradymax.com/nzaa m nesbitt
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Quoted message said:

"Joan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anybody here ever tried Stevia? It SEEMS to be a safer alternative than Aspertame and Splenda.

Happy holidays to all.

Splenda is fine. Aspartame is fine. Stevia is good too, however the afrertaste is brutal, and it
tastes like licorice.

M nesbitt

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:21:19 GMT, LadySycamore <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

m nesbitt said:

"Joan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Anybody here ever tried Stevia? It SEEMS to be a safer alternative than Aspertame and Splenda.

Happy holidays to all.

Splenda is fine. Aspartame is fine. Stevia is good too, however the afrertaste is brutal, and it
tastes like licorice.

M nesbitt

Depends on what form you use it in. I have the packets, and I don't taste any licorice at all. I'm
slowly weaning myself off of products that use Aspartame (nutrasweet). Been using it for years, and
I'm sure that there has to be SOME kind of damage done, even if it's minor. Plus, I'm also a renal
patient, so I figure less artificial products in, then I won't build up as many toxins (since
dialysis doesn't remove all of them).

Here's some info on Stevia Joan. You can come to your own conclusions:

Healthier Sweetener and Stevia Resources: holisticmed.comsweetOpen ↗

Stevia - The Natural Sweetener healthy.netstevia.aspOpen ↗

Stevia.net: stevia.netstevia.netOpen ↗

Hope that helps. Good luck.

How can she be expected to come to her own conclusion, when the only information sources you give
are stevia puff sites?

Why is stevia banned by the European Union, and (I think) Japan too, as dangerous? Why is stevia
*not allowed* to be sold as a sweetener in the US, but only as a "dietary supplement" because it
doesn't have to have FDA approval to be sold in this manner?

Why is Aspartame under none of these restrictions?

RE: your statement: "Been using it (Aspartame) for years, and I'm sure that there has to be SOME
kind of damage done, even if it's minor." What basis does that statement have in fact? None. You
have decided that there is something wrong with Aspartame, because there must be something wrong
with it to fit your belief structures.

If Aspartame is so toxic, and dangerous, why aren't the hospitals filled with those who have become
sick from using it? People should be dropping like flies from drinking Diet Pepsi, Diet Coke, etc.
They aren't because there is nothing wrong with it, other than the tiny percentage that have an
allergic reaction to it. There are many more people who are allergic to peanuts, and/or shellfish,
but I have never heard anyone tell the population not to use them.

If you are going to present information here for people to believe, why don't you try to present
both sides, instead of pushing a dangerous substance on people? The reason I am only presenting one
side, is because you have already presented the other.

JDH JDH

____________________________________
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I like splenda, Costco has god deal, 700 packets or 1.54lb box of Splenda for $8.

Julius

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Quoted message said:

LadySycamore said:

m nesbitt said:

"Joan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Anybody here ever tried Stevia? It SEEMS to be a safer alternative than Aspertame and Splenda.
>
>Happy holidays to all.

Splenda is fine. Aspartame is fine. Stevia is good too, however the afrertaste is brutal, and
it tastes like licorice.

M nesbitt

Depends on what form you use it in. I have the packets, and I don't taste any licorice at all.
I'm slowly weaning myself off of products that use Aspartame (nutrasweet). Been using it for
years, and I'm sure that there has to be SOME kind of damage done, even if it's minor. Plus, I'm
also a renal patient, so I figure less artificial products in, then I won't build up as many
toxins (since dialysis doesn't remove all of them).

Here's some info on Stevia Joan. You can come to your own conclusions:

Healthier Sweetener and Stevia Resources: holisticmed.comsweetOpen ↗

Stevia - The Natural Sweetener healthy.netstevia.aspOpen ↗

Stevia.net: stevia.netstevia.netOpen ↗

Hope that helps. Good luck.

How can she be expected to come to her own conclusion, when the only information sources you give
are stevia puff sites?

Why is stevia banned by the European Union, and (I think) Japan too, as dangerous? Why is stevia
*not allowed* to be sold as a sweetener in the

US,

Quoted message said:

but only as a "dietary supplement" because it doesn't have to have FDA approval to be sold in
this manner?

Why is Aspartame under none of these restrictions?

RE: your statement: "Been using it (Aspartame) for years, and I'm sure that there has to be SOME
kind of damage done, even if it's minor." What basis does that statement have in fact? None. You
have decided that there is something wrong with Aspartame, because there must be something wrong
with it to fit your belief structures.

If Aspartame is so toxic, and dangerous, why aren't the hospitals filled with those who have
become sick from using it? People should be dropping like flies from drinking Diet Pepsi, Diet
Coke, etc. They aren't because there is nothing wrong with it, other than the tiny percentage
that have

an

Quoted message said:

allergic reaction to it. There are many more people who are allergic to peanuts, and/or shellfish,
but I have never heard anyone tell the population not to use them.

If you are going to present information here for people to believe, why don't you try to present
both sides, instead of pushing a dangerous substance on people? The reason I am only presenting
one side, is because you have already presented the other.

JDH JDH

____________________________________
The Real Axis of Evil: Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld

Szaki said:

I like splenda, Costco has god deal, 700 packets or 1.54lb box of Splenda for $8.

Julius

Slenda is good stuff. Some people aquire a bitter taste after using a lot of it for a long time, but
it tastes just like sigar to me! JDH

____________________________________
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JDH said:

LadySycamore said:

m nesbitt said:

"Joan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

>Anybody here ever tried Stevia? It SEEMS to be a safer alternative than Aspertame and Splenda.
>
>Happy holidays to all.

Splenda is fine. Aspartame is fine. Stevia is good too, however the afrertaste is brutal, and it
tastes like licorice.

M nesbitt

Depends on what form you use it in. I have the packets, and I don't taste any licorice at all. I'm
slowly weaning myself off of products that use Aspartame (nutrasweet). Been using it for years,
and I'm sure that there has to be SOME kind of damage done, even if it's minor. Plus, I'm also a
renal patient, so I figure less artificial products in, then I won't build up as many toxins
(since dialysis doesn't remove all of them).

Here's some info on Stevia Joan. You can come to your own conclusions:

Healthier Sweetener and Stevia Resources: holisticmed.comsweetOpen ↗

Stevia - The Natural Sweetener healthy.netstevia.aspOpen ↗

Stevia.net: stevia.netstevia.netOpen ↗

Hope that helps. Good luck.

How can she be expected to come to her own conclusion, when the only information sources you give
are stevia puff sites?

Because she has probably heard the "other" side of things, and isn't aware of the benefits of
Stevia. Many people here in the US do not, and I'm not surprised.

Quoted message said:

Why is stevia banned by the European Union, and (I think) Japan too, as dangerous? Why is stevia
*not allowed* to be sold as a sweetener in the US, but only as a "dietary supplement" because it
doesn't have to have FDA approval to be sold in this manner?

Try this link: stevia.nethistory.htmOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

Why is Aspartame under none of these restrictions?

I never laid claim that I knew such information, so why ask ME about that?

Quoted message said:

RE: your statement: "Been using it (Aspartame) for years, and I'm sure that there has to be SOME
kind of damage done, even if it's minor." What basis does that statement have in fact? None. You
have decided that there is something wrong with Aspartame, because there must be something wrong
with it to fit your belief structures.

Try again. It was a GUESS. Never did I say that the statement was fact. I say that I'm pretty sure
of the damage, because anything that is chemical and synthetic can't possibly be good either in
large quantities OR long term use.

Quoted message said:

If Aspartame is so toxic, and dangerous, why aren't the hospitals filled with those who have
become sick from using it? People should be dropping like flies from drinking Diet Pepsi, Diet
Coke, etc. They aren't because there is nothing wrong with it, other than the tiny percentage that
have an allergic reaction to it. There are many more people who are allergic to peanuts, and/or
shellfish, but I have never heard anyone tell the population not to use them.

Just because you don't hear about those who DO get sick from Aspartame use doesn't mean it doesn't
happen. Oh and I've heard plenty of people who ARE allergic to peanuts and shellfish who are told to
not use them. It would be silly to tell them otherwise...don't you think?

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If you are going to present information here for people to believe, why don't you try to present
both sides, instead of pushing a dangerous substance on people? The reason I am only presenting
one side, is because you have already presented the other.

Sure, you are presenting one side, but all you did was a lot of huffing about what *I* wrote instead
of providing information to back up YOUR side. Here, allow me to do so for you:

Aspartame Information: aspartame.infodefault.aspOpen ↗

The NutraSweet Company: nutrasweet.comcategory.aspOpen ↗

Healthy Living-NutraSweet: Is it Safe? healthierliving.orgnutrasweet.htmlOpen ↗

There. Now, for counterpoints:

The Vitual Times: The Aspartame (NutraSweet®) Controversy: hsv.comaspertimOpen ↗

Healthy Sweetener Use Guide: holisticmed.comsweetOpen ↗

Books About Aspartame: dorway.combooks.htmlOpen ↗

There you go...you can calm down now. I provided point and counterpoint (which could have been
searched with any decent search engine, but you didn't see fit to do so, instead you chose to try
and pick a fight instead...tsk).

As I said before, one can come to their own conclusions based on the information that is out there.
Relatively recent science vs YEARS of all natural...it's up to you *shrugs*.

Good day.

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I would be very wary of Splenda (article link here:
suewidemark.comsplenda.htmOpen ↗). Stevia is much safer,
and actually can benefit diabetics. Stevia comes in a thick
molasses-like liquid or in a fine white powder. The powder I
use does not have the aftertaste to me, but is very
concentrated, so many people use too much. A 1 oz.
concentrate costs $8.95 wholesale from New Sun Health
Products ($25.00 membership required, which includes a
nutritional training book). Their order number is (800) 544-
0777 9-5 EDT. (Mention Dr. Schmidt to be able to join the
wholesale price club.)

Dr. Schmidt

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Quoted message said:

I like splenda, Costco has god deal, 700 packets or 1.54lb
box of Splenda for $8.

Julius

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Quoted message said:

LadySycamore said:

m nesbitt wrote:

> "Joan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>
>>Anybody here ever tried Stevia? It SEEMS to be a
>>safer alternative than Aspertame and Splenda.
>>
>>Happy holidays to all.
>
>
> Splenda is fine. Aspartame is fine. Stevia is good
> too, however the afrertaste is brutal, and it tastes
> like licorice.
>
>
> M nesbitt

Depends on what form you use it in. I have the packets,
and I don't taste any licorice at all. I'm slowly
weaning myself off of products that use Aspartame
(nutrasweet). Been using it for years, and I'm sure
that there has to be SOME kind of damage done, even if
it's minor.

Plus,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm also a renal patient, so I figure less artificial
products in, then I won't build up as many toxins
(since dialysis doesn't remove all of them).

Here's some info on Stevia Joan. You can come to your
own conclusions:

Healthier Sweetener and Stevia Resources:
holisticmed.comsweetOpen ↗

Stevia - The Natural Sweetener
healthy.netstevia.aspOpen ↗

Stevia.net: stevia.netstevia.netOpen ↗

Hope that helps. Good luck.

How can she be expected to come to her own conclusion,
when the only information sources you give are stevia
puff sites?

Why is stevia banned by the European Union, and (I
think) Japan too, as dangerous? Why is stevia *not
allowed* to be sold as a sweetener in the

US,

Quoted message said:

but only as a "dietary supplement" because it doesn't
have to have FDA approval to be sold in this manner?

Why is Aspartame under none of these restrictions?

RE: your statement: "Been using it (Aspartame) for
years, and I'm sure that there has to be SOME kind of
damage done, even if it's minor." What basis does that
statement have in fact? None. You have decided that
there is something wrong with Aspartame, because there
must be something wrong with it to fit your belief
structures.

If Aspartame is so toxic, and dangerous, why aren't the
hospitals filled with those who have become sick from
using it? People should be

dropping

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

like flies from drinking Diet Pepsi, Diet Coke, etc.
They aren't because there is nothing wrong with it,
other than the tiny percentage that have

an

Quoted message said:

allergic reaction to it. There are many more people who
are allergic to peanuts, and/or shellfish, but I have
never heard anyone tell the population not to use them.

If you are going to present information here for people
to believe, why don't you try to present both sides,
instead of pushing a dangerous substance on people? The
reason I am only presenting one side, is

because

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you have already presented the other.

JDH JDH

____________________________________
The Real Axis of Evil: Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft -
Rumsfeld

I agree with JDH. Aspartime is not the really enemy here. It
is the over consumption of aspartime. Aspartime is a
synthetic sweetener, not a food group, so anyone who over
consumes the sweetener, or over consumes any food or
beverage for that matter, is doing a disservice to their
"balenced" diet.

kansasman said:

I agree with JDH. Aspartime is not the really enemy here.
It is the over consumption of aspartime. Aspartime is a
synthetic sweetener, not a food group, so anyone who over
consumes the sweetener, or over consumes any food or
beverage for that matter, is doing a disservice to their
"balenced" diet.

But isn't that the "rub"? So many products are now infused
with it, that it would be hard for someone to avoid
consuming it in large volumes (especially diabetics), and
the government makes it harder to obtain and infuse most
products with Stevia (which is natural).

A Tale of Two Sweeteners Aspartame & Stevia:
vegsource.comsweeteners.htmOpen ↗

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patients by renal patients
dialyze.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

"Until you have walked in my shoes, you do NOT have the
right to tell me what route to walk".
Dr. George Keller

El Ciberbosque: "Sycamore's next step in the quest for world
domination" ciberbosque.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

I thought I had heard that Stevia was removed from the market in England,
was I dreaming?
Maggie
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Quoted message said:

kansasman said:

I agree with JDH. Aspartime is not the really enemy
here. It is the over consumption of aspartime. Aspartime
is a synthetic sweetener, not a food group, so anyone
who over consumes the sweetener, or over consumes any
food or beverage for that matter, is doing a disservice
to their "balenced" diet.

But isn't that the "rub"? So many products are now infused
with it, that it would be hard for someone to avoid
consuming it in large volumes (especially diabetics), and
the government makes it harder to obtain and infuse most
products with Stevia (which is natural).

A Tale of Two Sweeteners Aspartame & Stevia:
vegsource.comsweeteners.htmOpen ↗

--
~LadySycamore~ Co-Administrator dialyze.org: For renal
patients by renal patients
dialyze.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

"Until you have walked in my shoes, you do NOT have the
right to tell me what route to walk".
Dr. George Keller

El Ciberbosque: "Sycamore's next step in the quest for
world domination" ciberbosque.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

Maggie Kilbride said:

I thought I had heard that Stevia was removed from the
market in England, was I dreaming? Maggie "LadySycamore"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%dWjc.139-
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

kansasman wrote:

I was, and it is illegal to sell as a sweetner in the
U.S. .... BJ

BJ in Texas said:

Maggie Kilbride said:

I thought I had heard that Stevia was removed from the
market in England, was I dreaming? Maggie "LadySycamore"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%dWjc.139-
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

kansasman wrote:

I was, and it is illegal to sell as a sweetner in the
U.S. .... BJ

No, it's not illegal here in the US. Stevia is sold all of
the time at various stores (mainly health food/speciality).
I have a box of packets myself. It's just that the FDA is
being a biggest ass about Stevia:

stevia.netfda.htmOpen ↗

--
~LadySycamore~ Co-Administrator dialyze.org: For renal
patients by renal patients
dialyze.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

"Until you have walked in my shoes, you do NOT have the
right to tell me what route to walk".
Dr. George Keller

El Ciberbosque: "Sycamore's next step in the quest for world
domination" ciberbosque.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

LadySycamore said:

BJ in Texas said:

Maggie Kilbride said:

I thought I had heard that Stevia was removed from the
market in England, was I dreaming? Maggie "LadySycamore"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%dWjc.1-
[email hidden]...

> kansasman wrote:
>

I was, and it is illegal to sell as a sweetner in the
U.S. .... BJ

No, it's not illegal here in the US. Stevia is sold all of
the time at various stores (mainly health
food/speciality). I have a box of packets myself. It's
just that the FDA is being a biggest ass about Stevia:

stevia.netfda.htmOpen ↗

BS, its illegal to sell as a sweetner... It can however be
sold as a supplement. They sell all kinds of poisons as
supplements.

BJ

BJ in Texas said:

LadySycamore said:

BJ in Texas said:

Maggie Kilbride wrote:

>I thought I had heard that Stevia was removed from the
>market in England, was I dreaming? Maggie "LadySycamore"
><[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%dWjc.1-
>[email hidden]...
>
>
>>kansasman wrote:
>>

I was, and it is illegal to sell as a sweetner in the
U.S. .... BJ

No, it's not illegal here in the US. Stevia is sold all of
the time at various stores (mainly health
food/speciality). I have a box of packets myself. It's
just that the FDA is being a biggest ass about Stevia:

stevia.netfda.htmOpen ↗

BS, its illegal to sell as a sweetner... It can however be
sold as a supplement. They sell all kinds of poisons as
supplements.

BJ

How is it illegal? I have a box of it in my kitchen and it's
sold all over the internet. Just because the FDA hasn't
approved it doens't make it illegal.

--
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patients by renal patients
dialyze.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

El Ciberbosque: "Sycamore's next step in the quest for world
domination" ciberbosque.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

These are uncertain times. Thank goodness you're such a
rock. Now don't be mad if everyone else isn't. You can only
expect so much from mere mortals.

LadySycamore said:

BJ in Texas said:

BS, its illegal to sell as a sweetner... It can however
be sold as a supplement. They sell all kinds of poisons
as supplements.

BJ

How is it illegal? I have a box of it in my kitchen and
it's sold all over the internet. Just because the FDA
hasn't approved it doens't make it illegal.

What part of what I posted are you having a hard time
understanding/reading?

I didn't say it was not sold. Only that you would not
find it listed as a sweetner in any legal commercial food
as a sweetner.

And since when has being sold on the internet had any
bearing on the legality of anything?

BJ

BJ in Texas said:

LadySycamore said:

BJ in Texas said:

BS, its illegal to sell as a sweetner... It can however
be sold as a supplement. They sell all kinds of poisons
as supplements.

BJ

How is it illegal? I have a box of it in my kitchen and
it's sold all over the internet. Just because the FDA
hasn't approved it doens't make it illegal.

What part of what I posted are you having a hard time
understanding/reading?

Excuse me: no need to be rude. Thanks.

Quoted message said:

I didn't say it was not sold. Only that you would not find
it listed as a sweetner in any legal commercial food as a
sweetner.

And since when has being sold on the internet had any
bearing on the legality of anything?

BJ

And all I said was that it's not illegal for it to be
SOLD..never MIND that it's not considered a "sweetener" by
the government (perhaps that is what YOU meant by
"illegal"😉.

The reason wanted to make the clarification is because if
you tell people something is illegal, they may wonder as to
why they are seeing it on the shelves of places like Whole
Foods Market. For instance, everyone knows that street drugs
like cocaine, etc. are ILLEGAL, and therefore if you are
caught with those drugs, you will go to jail. The selling
and distribution of said drugs will also bring on the same
consequences. This doesn't happen with the sale and
distribution of Stevia products either in store on online.
Wouldn't there be a roundup of people being arrested if it
was illegal to sell Stevia?

The only thing that the FDA claims about Stevia is that it
is an "unapproved food additive". "Unapproved" does not
equal "illegal". There are many things out there that have
been unapproved by the FDA, but are perfectly fine to sell
to consumers (take note of the many legal drug commercials
on TV and in print and check out the disclaimer...not
approved or tested by the FDA). In fact, the FDA themselves
has questioned the legality of its use, but from what I have
read, it didn't deem Stevia to be illegal (at least, not
since 1991, when they TRIED to deem it illegal).

Sources:
2.6 Stevia Leaf - Too Good To Be Legal?
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Rob McCaleb Herb Research Foundation holisticmed.comstvOpen ↗
faq.txt

FOOD INGREDIENT SAFETY EVALUATION: herbalgram.or-herbalgram.or-Open ↗
g/wholefoodsmarket/herbalgram/articleview.asp?a=880

Perhaps if you would divulge your sources, we can come to a
mature understanding about this topic. Thank you for the
consideration. Good day.

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patients by renal patients
dialyze.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

El Ciberbosque: "Sycamore's next step in the quest for world
domination" ciberbosque.orgindex.phpOpen ↗

These are uncertain times. Thank goodness you're such a
rock. Now don't be mad if everyone else isn't. You can only
expect so much from mere mortals.