Insulin Overdose

On Thu, 20 May 2004 20:08:53 GMT, "John Smith" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he might overdose on insulin one day with his
mood swings. What does it take to overdose to the point of
going into a coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

I isn't going to be any help, but it depends. Sometimes I
can feel myself go low on my standard AM dose of 25 units of
NPH. Usually not though. Once I had to take some humalog and
misjudged, but you know *that* very soon.

I really depends on how much is given, where it is given,
and how much has been eaten and when.

Sorry I can't be or more help. this is a real question for
your son's health team, and would not take any other answer,
especially on an Internet message group.

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On Thu, 20 May 2004 20:08:53 GMT, "John Smith" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he might overdose on insulin one day with his
mood swings. What does it take to overdose to the point of
going into a coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

For a 300 pounder.. A LOT. One of the issues is he already
is probably pretty insulin insensitive!!!

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Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he might overdose on insulin one day with his
mood swings. What does it take to overdose to the point of
going into a coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

That depends.

I had an overdose myself, but I noticed it, so it only
caused me to stay awake most of the night, eating and
drining. I take 30 iu of Insulatard (slow acting) when I go
to bed. This night I used the wrong pen and got 30 iu of
NovoRapid (fast acting). I had already had my last meal for
the day, and I usually take 8 - 16 iu before a meal.. My
wife took me to the hospital and I brought a bottle of
sweet soda with me in the car. I spent the night in
hospital just in case.

A friend of mine had his normal dose of fast acting insulin
for breakfast. He was ill, vomited and went back to sleep
without eating anything. He woke up in hospital, because his
mother had found him unconscious around lunch time. He was
pretty low at that time, but then he had his full dose of
fast acting insulin and no carbohydrates in his system.

To really get an overdose, I think he must aim specifically
at that. It is possible. Anything is possible.

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Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he might overdose on insulin one day with his
mood swings. What does it take to overdose to the point of
going into a coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

First of all, I'd like to say that YOU as a parent deserve a
sever smack in the mouth for not doing some worrying about
his fatness before now and for even THINKING of letting your
kid get that gross.

Fat kids abound, but yours isn't fat, he's RIDICULOUSLY fat
and don't try kidding me that "it's his genes". It's the
food he's eaten and the food you've LET him eat.

As for how much insulin would it take to overdose? Well I'd
gues about an oceans worth, but it's just a guess, so the
usual disclaimer.

Beav

John Smith said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he might overdose on insulin one day with his
mood swings. What does it take to overdose to the point of
going into a coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

How did he get so completely and vastly obese? Did he do
this to himself? I'm not surprised he has mood swings being
that overweight. You want your doctor to recommend how much
insulin to take and how likely an overdose is, because your
doctor knows your son and only your doctor can make that
judgement. In my opinion, your son has to lose weight
urgently! What does your doc say about the weight?

--
John38 : t2 since 11/03 : 6mg amaryl 1.5g metaformin :
aspirin Hb1Ac@dx=11.9% now=5.5% : FBG@dx=14mmol/l now
6mmol/l : no starch!

Bjørn B. Larsen said:

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Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he might overdose on insulin one day with
his mood swings. What does it take to overdose to the
point of going into a coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

That depends.

I had an overdose myself, but I noticed it, so it only
caused me to stay awake most of the night, eating and
drining. I take 30 iu of Insulatard (slow acting) when I
go to bed. This night I used the wrong pen and got 30 iu
of NovoRapid (fast acting). I had already had my last meal
for the day, and I usually take 8 - 16 iu before a meal..
My wife took me to the hospital and I brought a bottle of
sweet soda with me in the car. I spent the night in
hospital just in case.

A friend of mine had his normal dose of fast acting
insulin for breakfast. He was ill, vomited and went back
to sleep without eating anything. He woke up in hospital,
because his mother had found him unconscious around lunch
time. He was pretty low at that time, but then he had his
full dose of fast acting insulin and no carbohydrates in
his system.

To really get an overdose, I think he must aim
specifically at that. It is possible. Anything is
possible.

--
Have a nice day! Bjørn BL.

I know someone who tried to commit suicide by taking 300
units of Regular insulin (that's what she said she took - I
got to know her years after). A 125 pound female. She was in
a coma for 3 days, but she survived with no apparent damage.
She wasn't diabetic. I doubt this would be the case with all
people, look at the bad shape ofSunny Von Bulow after her
insulin overdose.

Vicki

Beav said:

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Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he might overdose on insulin one day with
his mood swings. What does it take to overdose to the
point of going into a coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

Quoted message said:

First of all, I'd like to say that YOU as a parent deserve
a sever smack in the mouth for not doing some worrying
about his fatness before now and for even THINKING of
letting your kid get that gross.

Quoted message said:

Fat kids abound, but yours isn't fat, he's RIDICULOUSLY fat
and don't try kidding me that "it's his genes". It's the
food he's eaten and the food you've LET him eat.

Quoted message said:

As for how much insulin would it take to overdose? Well I'd
gues about an oceans worth, but it's just a guess, so the
usual disclaimer. Beav

300 lbs?????? Fecking hell......I missed that bit earlier.
Do you realise that the excess weight carried there if
converted to fuel weight, would be enough for a single
engined light helicopter to fly at 130kts for an hour in
which time it could fly from Manchester to Stanstead?

Sort of put it into perspective dont it? Alternatively -
just take a look at 70 bags of sugar piled up at the
supermarket........................unbelieveable.

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"John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news-
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Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he

might

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

overdose on insulin one day with his mood swings. What
does it take to overdose to the point of going into a
coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

First of all, I'd like to say that YOU as a parent deserve
a sever smack

in

Quoted message said:

the mouth for not doing some worrying about his fatness
before now and for even THINKING of letting your kid get
that gross.

Well I'd have to tend to agree with you there beav.. my
daughter is 228lbs, she was 170lbs at 5'7 when i realized,
"hmm the kid exercises daily, eats next to nothing yet is
packin on the lbs. doctor time!" --- called responsibility
of the parent, gee guess what? her's is in the genes, she
was dx'd with hashi's and a her second TSH was 38. with 1600
came back on her antibodies. excuses no.. but we know how to
handle it.

Quoted message said:

Fat kids abound, but yours isn't fat, he's RIDICULOUSLY
fat and don't try kidding me that "it's his genes". It's
the food he's eaten and the food you've LET him eat.

As for how much insulin would it take to overdose? Well
I'd gues about an oceans worth, but it's just a guess, so
the usual disclaimer.

I'd say 2-3 oceans worth.. if the kid is 300lbs they're
highly resistant. gonna take buckets full to make a dent.
and why the hell is mommy and daddy not watching the 15yr
old.. [censored] the 15yr old shld be responsible enough to care
abt his health.. otherwise, best be seeking a head shrinker.

Quoted message said:

Beav

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experience of being a diabetic. I have no textbook learning,
only life itself.
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John Smith said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he

might

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

overdose on insulin one day with his mood swings. What
does it take to overdose to the point of going into a
coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

How did he get so completely and vastly obese? Did he
do this to himself? I'm not surprised he has mood
swings being that overweight. You want your doctor to
recommend how much insulin to take and how likely an
overdose is, because your doctor knows your son and
only your doctor can make that judgement. In my
opinion, your son has to lose weight urgently! What
does your doc say about the weight?

He's probably told the boy AND the parents to get him to
LOSE weight, but they've obviously taken no bloody notice,
so what's the odds of them taking any notice of anything
else he says (like what would constitue an overdose)?

Some people need a helping hand with diabetes when they
first find out they've got it, and some people need a bit of
help working things out wrt doses, food and exercise, and
generally they do what's necessary to get to grips with it,
but the ONLY thing these people are likely to change is the
insulin dose, because it's obvious they eat anything and
everything in sight and the boy spends all his time on his
[censored]. Exercise isn't a word ANY of them would understand, so
that just leaves the insulin to play around with.

Dare I tell them that insulin can help make you fat? 🙂

Beav

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Beav said:

"John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he

might

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

overdose on insulin one day with his mood swings. What
does it take to overdose to the point of going into a
coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

Quoted message said:

First of all, I'd like to say that YOU as a parent
deserve a sever smack

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the mouth for not doing some worrying about his fatness
before now and

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

even THINKING of letting your kid get that gross.

Quoted message said:

Fat kids abound, but yours isn't fat, he's RIDICULOUSLY
fat and don't try kidding me that "it's his genes". It's
the food he's eaten and the food you've LET him eat.

Quoted message said:

As for how much insulin would it take to overdose? Well
I'd gues about an oceans worth, but it's just a guess, so
the usual disclaimer. Beav

300 lbs?????? Fecking hell......I missed that bit earlier.
Do you realise that the excess weight carried there if
converted to fuel weight, would be enough for a single
engined light helicopter to fly at 130kts for an hour in
which time it could fly from Manchester to Stanstead?

Sort of put it into perspective dont it? Alternatively -
just take a look at 70 bags of sugar piled up at the
supermarket........................unbelieveable.

Unbelievelabe, but unfortunately true. Can you imagine any
parent letting their kid walk around with 70 bags of sugar
strapped to 'em? Not a chance coz they'd be arrested for
child abuse. The OP should be arrested for abuse

Beav (SERIOUSLY [censored] with this "parent"😉

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"John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he

might

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

overdose on insulin one day with his mood swings. What
does it take to overdose to the point of going into a
coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

First of all, I'd like to say that YOU as a parent
deserve a sever smack

in

Quoted message said:

the mouth for not doing some worrying about his fatness
before now and

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

even THINKING of letting your kid get that gross.

Well I'd have to tend to agree with you there beav.. my
daughter is

228lbs,

Quoted message said:

she was 170lbs at 5'7 when i realized, "hmm the kid
exercises daily, eats next to nothing yet is packin on the
lbs. doctor time!" --- called

responsibility

Quoted message said:

of the parent, gee guess what? her's is in the genes, she
was dx'd with hashi's

and

Quoted message said:

a her second TSH was 38. with 1600 came back on her
antibodies. excuses no.. but we know how to handle it.

Quoted message said:

Fat kids abound, but yours isn't fat, he's RIDICULOUSLY
fat and don't

try

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kidding me that "it's his genes". It's the food he's
eaten and the food you've LET him eat.

As for how much insulin would it take to overdose? Well
I'd gues about

an

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

oceans worth, but it's just a guess, so the usual
disclaimer.

I'd say 2-3 oceans worth.. if the kid is 300lbs they're
highly resistant. gonna take buckets full to make a dent.
and why the hell is mommy and daddy not watching the 15yr
old.. [censored] the 15yr old shld be responsible enough to

care

Quoted message said:

abt his health.. otherwise, best be seeking a head
shrinker.

He's 15 NOW, but he didn't wake up one morning weighing in
at 1/4 ton, he grew that fat over time. Time that his
parents should've been kicked around the prison they should
be in for child abuse.

Beav

Beav <[email hidden]> wrote on Sun, 23 May 2004 20:11:03
+0100:

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"John38" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2h8prbFa7v5jU7@uni-
berlin.de...

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John Smith wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
worried that he might overdose on insulin one day with
his mood swings. What does it take to overdose to the
point of going into a coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How did he get so completely and vastly obese? Did he do
this to himself? I'm not surprised he has mood swings
being that overweight. You want your doctor to recommend
how much insulin to take and how likely an overdose is,
because your doctor knows your son and only your doctor
can make that judgement. In my opinion, your son has to
lose weight urgently! What does your doc say about the
weight?

Quoted message said:

He's probably told the boy AND the parents to get him to
LOSE weight, but they've obviously taken no bloody notice,
so what's the odds of them taking any notice of anything
else he says (like what would constitue an overdose)?

Quoted message said:

Some people need a helping hand with diabetes when they
first find out they've got it, and some people need a bit
of help working things out wrt doses, food and exercise,
and generally they do what's necessary to get to grips
with it, but the ONLY thing these people are likely to
change is the insulin dose, because it's obvious they eat
anything and everything in sight and the boy spends all
his time on his [censored]. Exercise isn't a word ANY of them
would understand, so that just leaves the insulin to play
around with.

Quoted message said:

Dare I tell them that insulin can help make you fat? 🙂

Hi, Beav. Have you been been having a bad day, a really,
foul, for King and Country awful day, by any chance?

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Beav

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remove half of them (leaving, say, "a"😉.

Everyone talking without the slightest idea what they are
talking about

weight alone doesn't mean anything. Odds are the kid
(probably because of T2 diabetes) is drasticly overweight,
but it is also possible he is not.

I have a nephew, at 15 he was probably 300 lbs. Never
diabetic, and every school with a first class football team
offered him a scholarship. He didn't WANT to play football,
so took something else, but, if your tank stalls, and you
need someone to push it to the nearest gas station....

Beav said:

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"John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
>worried that he

might

Quoted message said:

>overdose on insulin one day with his mood swings. What
>does it take to overdose to the point of going into a
>coma? He weighs over 300 pounds.

First of all, I'd like to say that YOU as a parent
deserve a sever smack

in

Quoted message said:

the mouth for not doing some worrying about his fatness
before now and

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

even THINKING of letting your kid get that gross.

Well I'd have to tend to agree with you there beav.. my
daughter is

228lbs,

Quoted message said:

she was 170lbs at 5'7 when i realized, "hmm the kid
exercises daily, eats next to nothing yet is packin on the
lbs. doctor time!" --- called

responsibility

Quoted message said:

of the parent, gee guess what? her's is in the genes, she
was dx'd with hashi's

and

Quoted message said:

a her second TSH was 38. with 1600 came back on her
antibodies. excuses no.. but we know how to handle it.

Quoted message said:

Fat kids abound, but yours isn't fat, he's RIDICULOUSLY
fat and don't

try

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kidding me that "it's his genes". It's the food he's
eaten and the food you've LET him eat.

As for how much insulin would it take to overdose? Well
I'd gues about

an

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

oceans worth, but it's just a guess, so the usual
disclaimer.

I'd say 2-3 oceans worth.. if the kid is 300lbs they're
highly resistant. gonna take buckets full to make a dent.
and why the hell is mommy and daddy not watching the 15yr
old.. [censored] the 15yr old shld be responsible enough to

care

Quoted message said:

abt his health.. otherwise, best be seeking a head
shrinker.

He's 15 NOW, but he didn't wake up one morning weighing in
at 1/4 ton, he grew that fat over time. Time that his
parents should've been kicked around the prison they
should be in for child abuse.

Beav

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as
history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

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Beav <[email hidden]> wrote on Sun, 23
May 2004 20:11:03 +0100:

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"John38" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2h8prbFa7v5jU7@uni-
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John Smith wrote:

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> My 15 year old son has just been put on insulin. I'm
> worried that he might overdose on insulin one day
> with his mood swings. What does it take to overdose
> to the point of going into a coma? He weighs over 300
> pounds.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How did he get so completely and vastly obese? Did he
do this to himself? I'm not surprised he has mood
swings being that overweight. You want your doctor to
recommend how much insulin to take and how likely an
overdose is, because your doctor knows your son and
only your doctor can make that judgement. In my
opinion, your son has to lose weight urgently! What
does your doc say about the weight?

Quoted message said:

He's probably told the boy AND the parents to get him to
LOSE weight, but they've obviously taken no bloody
notice, so what's the odds of them taking any notice of
anything else he says (like what would constitue an
overdose)?

Quoted message said:

Some people need a helping hand with diabetes when they
first find out they've got it, and some people need a
bit of help working things out wrt doses, food and
exercise, and generally they do what's necessary to get
to grips with it, but the ONLY thing these people are
likely to change is the insulin dose, because it's
obvious they eat anything and everything in sight and
the boy spends all his time on his [censored]. Exercise isn't
a word ANY of them would understand, so that just leaves
the insulin to play around with.

Quoted message said:

Dare I tell them that insulin can help make you fat? 🙂

Hi, Beav. Have you been been having a bad day, a really,
foul, for King and Country awful day, by any chance?

Actually, I've had one of the best days I can remember, even
for Queen and Country, but I still can't do with parents who
don't take care of their kids, and letting a kig get to
300lbs ISN'T taking care.

What's the betting that the parents are even fatter?

Beav

Sorry you don't

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Everyone talking without the slightest idea what they are
talking about

weight alone doesn't mean anything.

Well Ted, that's a load of bollocks and you know it. No-one
(and I mean NO-one) in this world ever got to weigh 1/4 ton
by following a sensible diet. If you have one single cite to
the contrary, I'll be VERY pleased to get on my hands and
kneews and beg forgivness from the OP with the gross kid.

Odds are the kid (probably because

Quoted message said:

of T2 diabetes) is drasticly overweight, but it is also
possible he is

not.

15years old and 1/4 ton and there's a possibility he's
not grossly

anyway.

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I have a nephew, at 15 he was probably 300 lbs. Never
diabetic,

A pretty athletic lad then eh? Not T2 like "you know who"?

and

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every school with a first class football team offered him
a scholarship. He didn't WANT to play football, so took
something else, but, if your tank stalls, and you need
someone to push it to the nearest gas

station....

Post a pic of this kid Ted, but better yet, post a pic of
the 15 year old who's the subject of this thread.

Beav

Beav wrote:

[snip]

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Actually, I've had one of the best days I can remember,
even for Queen and Country, but I still can't do with
parents who don't take care of their kids, and letting a
kig get to 300lbs ISN'T taking care.

What's the betting that the parents are even fatter?

I'm wondering why he'd be given something that would
make him even fatter (insulin) without firstly tackling
the weight?
--
John38 : t2 since 11/03 : 6mg amaryl 1.5g metaformin :
aspirin Hb1Ac@dx=11.9% now=5.5% : FBG@dx=14mmol/l now
6mmol/l : no starch!

Beav said:

15years old and 1/4 ton and there's a possibility he's not
grossly overweight?

Beav, I know you're using dramatic emphasis here, but a
quarter ton when I went to school was 560 lbs in the
imperial system and 250 Kg or 550 lbs in the metric. Either
way, it's a bit more than 300 lbs.

Even so, a bit over an eighth of a ton is probably
obese unless he's a seven foot tall front-row forward
or nose-tackle.

I think by now the parents may have your message. Even if
they probably didn't want it.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

First thing BMT is an almost worthless measure - excess fat
is a more accurate measure.

As for my nephew, he was over 6', and all muscle.

He walked at 6 months, and was always bigger and stronger
than anyone would expect.

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"Ted Rosenberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Everyone talking without the slightest idea what they are
talking about

weight alone doesn't mean anything.

Well Ted, that's a load of bollocks and you know it. No-
one (and I mean NO-one) in this world ever got to weigh
1/4 ton by following a sensible diet. If you have one
single cite to the contrary, I'll be VERY pleased to get
on my hands and kneews and beg forgivness from the OP with
the gross kid.

Odds are the kid (probably because

Quoted message said:

of T2 diabetes) is drasticly overweight, but it is also
possible he is

not.

15years old and 1/4 ton and there's a possibility he's
not grossly

Quoted message said:

anyway.

Quoted message said:

I have a nephew, at 15 he was probably 300 lbs. Never
diabetic,

A pretty athletic lad then eh? Not T2 like "you know who"?

and

Quoted message said:

every school with a first class football team offered him
a scholarship. He didn't WANT to play football, so took
something else, but, if your tank stalls, and you need
someone to push it to the nearest gas

station....

Post a pic of this kid Ted, but better yet, post a pic of
the 15 year old who's the subject of this thread.

Beav

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as
history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

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Beav wrote:

[snip]

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Actually, I've had one of the best days I can remember,
even for Queen

and

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Country, but I still can't do with parents who don't
take care of their kids, and letting a kig get to 300lbs
ISN'T taking care.

What's the betting that the parents are even fatter?

I'm wondering why he'd be given something that would
make him even fatter (insulin) without firstly tackling
the weight?

I'm sure that over the years, his weight HAS been mentioned,
both to himself AND to his parents, but some people seem to
need a LOT of educating before they get off thier arses.

Beav