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  1. i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before last saturday, just
    worked out on ski machines and [censored]. anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating
    on the "scale of beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:

    1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
    minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
    3.5, 5 minutes 5.5

    and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about 2.75 miles.

    right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
    sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i do
    work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a bit
    later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target right now
    is to be able to keep up with my martial arts instructor
    when we go on our saturday run together. last time he was
    doing circles around me and we only went 2.25 miles. but
    then, he's also been running for more than 15 years. i just
    want to be able to keep up for now, not reach his level
    yet, hehe.

    please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is there
    anything i can do to improve myself faster?

    thanks 🙂

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari

  2. Punkass [censored].

    [email hidden] (kitznegari thinks it has wings) wrote in
    message news:<20040508055007.07889.00000086@mb-
    m04.aol.com>...

    Quoted message said:

    i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
    last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and [censored].
    anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
    beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:

    1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
    minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
    3.5, 5 minutes 5.5

    and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
    2.75 miles.

    right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
    sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i
    do work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a
    bit later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target
    right now is to be able to keep up with my martial arts
    instructor when we go on our saturday run together. last
    time he was doing circles around me and we only went 2.25
    miles. but then, he's also been running for more than 15
    years. i just want to be able to keep up for now, not
    reach his level yet, hehe.

    please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
    there anything i can do to improve myself faster?

    thanks 🙂

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    kitznegari thinks it has wings said:

    i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
    last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and [censored].
    anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
    beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:

    1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
    minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
    3.5, 5 minutes 5.5

    and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about 2.75
    miles.

    The columns being minutes walking, speed in mph, minues
    running, speed in mph? I'll assume so.

    In coaching my beginning runners program, I try to go for
    even pace for the running part, and even duration. You're
    several steps along. The lowest run:walk ratio I've
    advised a beginner to is 30 seconds : 1 minute.

    The fact that your duration drops a lot when you go from
    4.8 mph to
    5.5 suggests to me that you're not really conversational any
    more at the 5.5 mph. Given that, what I'd suggest you do
    for now is leave the run at 4.8 mph (12:30 minutes per
    mile), and do 3 stretches of 10 minutes. Repeat a few
    days, until this is feeling easy. The next step will be 15
    minutes running. Again, repeat until easy. Then, the last,
    major step -- a straight 30 minutes.

    Duration is overwhelmingly more important than pace,
    especially at
    this point. After, and only after, you're doing 30 minutes
    straight
    running, every other day, is it time to pause to ponder
    your speed.

    Quoted message said:

    right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
    sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i do
    work up a good sweat while i'm at it.

    A good sweat is good. You'll make more progress (or
    progress, period) if you give your body time to rebuild
    after this new stress.

    Quoted message said:

    please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
    there anything i can do to improve myself faster?

    No ratings are relevant. We all start as beginners before
    we get to be 'experienced'. You can't skip steps. Just
    keep taking them. You'll probably see more progress,
    faster, if you allow your body time to rebuild after the
    stress of running. That's how training occurs -- you
    stress the body in some way and, if you give it time, it
    rebuilds so as to handle that type of stress better.

    You may not appreciate just how much I mean this, or those
    in the group, but probably the single biggest step in
    running progress is to get to the point of running a
    steady 30 minutes. There are other markers of progress,
    but they're just (really) matters of degree, not kind.
    This is the big one. Take your time to get there solidly,
    and so that you don't have to back off below it.

    --
    Robert Grumbine radix.net~bobg Science faqs and
    amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo
    Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
    evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less
    appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a
    more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

  4. "kitznegari thinks it has wings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
    minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
    3.5, 5 minutes 5.5

    and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
    2.75 miles.

    Kitz:

    Unlike a lot of beginners, you seem to be doing things
    pretty right. It *is* good that you don't feel sore in the
    morning. I would say right now don't think about increasing
    your speed (which is probably numero uno beginner's
    mistake), but instead work on spacing your walk breaks a
    little farther each week while keeping your total time. Once
    you get to the point where you can go for 30 minutes without
    a walk break, then start making one workout a week a little
    longer--until you're comfortable doing 5-6 miles. IMHO,
    that's a pretty good baseline for the casual runner/cardio
    health; when you get to that point you can devise new goals.

  5. what u r doing sounds great it takes me 40 minutes to do
    3.7 miles keep an even pace , other than that you r doing
    great plodzilla

    kitznegari thinks it has wings said:


    i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
    last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and [censored].
    anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
    beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:

    1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
    minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
    3.5, 5 minutes 5.5

    and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
    2.75 miles.

    right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
    sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i
    do work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a
    bit later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target
    right now is to be able to keep up with my martial arts
    instructor when we go on our saturday run together. last
    time he was doing circles around me and we only went 2.25
    miles. but then, he's also been running for more than 15
    years. i just want to be able to keep up for now, not
    reach his level yet, hehe.

    please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
    there anything i can do to improve myself faster?

    thanks 🙂

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari

  6. miles before speed most injuries are not from running per se
    but from incorrect running to fast to soon

    kitznegari thinks it has wings said:


    i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
    last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and [censored].
    anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
    beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:

    1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
    minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
    3.5, 5 minutes 5.5

    and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
    2.75 miles.

    right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
    sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i
    do work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a
    bit later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target
    right now is to be able to keep up with my martial arts
    instructor when we go on our saturday run together. last
    time he was doing circles around me and we only went 2.25
    miles. but then, he's also been running for more than 15
    years. i just want to be able to keep up for now, not
    reach his level yet, hehe.

    please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
    there anything i can do to improve myself faster?

    thanks 🙂

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari

  7. miles before speed most injuries are not from running per se
    but from incorrect running to fast to soon work up to slow
    miles then to fast miles / take time off when needed / the
    body only repairs itself when you sleep / no sleep / no
    repair! podzilla

    kitznegari thinks it has wings said:


    i'm a beginner. have not really done much running before
    last saturday, just worked out on ski machines and [censored].
    anyway, what i'm asking is how i'm rating on the "scale of
    beginners". when i'm at the gym i do the following:

    1 minute walk 3.5, 10 minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 10
    minutes 4.8 1 minute walk 3.5, 5 minutes 5.5 1 minute walk
    3.5, 5 minutes 5.5

    and that works out to be a 35 minute go at about
    2.75 miles.

    right now i've been doing this every night... and i'm not
    sore or anything in the morning, which seems good, but i
    do work up a good sweat while i'm at it. i'll taper off a
    bit later, i'm sure, once i get better, but my target
    right now is to be able to keep up with my martial arts
    instructor when we go on our saturday run together. last
    time he was doing circles around me and we only went 2.25
    miles. but then, he's also been running for more than 15
    years. i just want to be able to keep up for now, not
    reach his level yet, hehe.

    please be honest. where do i rate as a beginner and is
    there anything i can do to improve myself faster?

    thanks 🙂

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari

  8. On 08 May 2004 09:50:07 GMT, [email hidden] (kitznegari thinks it

    has wings) said:

    i'm a beginner.

    At running, yes. At winding people up...

    Quoted message said:

    but my target right now is to be able to keep up with my
    martial arts instructor when we go on our saturday run
    together

    Chasing after peope is never a good idea. Set your own
    goals. Let them chase you.

    Quoted message said:

    last time he was doing circles around me

    People do that to you quite a lot, don't they? You really
    *must* get a grip on your life. No use having a web site
    stuffed full of wise sayings if you don't put them into
    practice IRL.

    Quoted message said:

    he's also been running for more than 15 years. i just want
    to be able to keep up for now, not reach his level yet

    So, he takes 15 years to get somewhere, and you want to
    'match' him in 1? You suffer from that peculiarly Yankee
    disease - impatience. Can I suggest something? Adopt a
    European stance. Focus on the journey, not the goal.
    That way, even if you don't make it you get to have fun
    on the way.

    Quoted message said:

    please be honest

    I alway try.

    Quoted message said:

    where do i rate as a beginner

    Pretty good.

    Quoted message said:

    and is there anything i can do to improve myself faster?

    No.

    Quoted message said:

    thanks 🙂

    S'ok. Love to the Bean.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Punkass [censored].

    yep.

    next topic.

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  10. Quoted message said:

    In coaching my beginning runners program, I try to go for
    even pace for the running part, and even duration. You're
    several steps along.

    *yay!* *feels a boost of self esteem*

    Quoted message said:

    The fact that your duration drops a lot when you go from
    4.8 mph to
    5.5 suggests to me that you're not really conversational
    any more at the 5.5 mph. Given that, what I'd suggest you
    do for now is leave the run at 4.8 mph (12:30 minutes per
    mile), and do 3 stretches of 10 minutes. Repeat a few
    days, until this is feeling easy. The next step will be
    15 minutes running. Again, repeat until easy. Then, the
    last, major step -- a straight 30 minutes.

    i'm glad you said that.

    Quoted message said:

    Duration is overwhelmingly more important than pace,
    especially at this point.

    i'm really glad you posted this because i had no idea it was
    that way. i'll adjust accordingly.

    Quoted message said:

    After, and only after, you're doing 30 minutes straight
    running, every other day, is it time to pause to ponder
    your speed.

    okay ^_^

    Quoted message said:

    You may not appreciate just how much I mean this, or those
    in the group, but probably the single biggest step in
    running progress is to get to the point of running a steady
    30 minutes. There are other markers of progress, but
    they're just (really) matters of degree, not kind. This is
    the big one. Take your time to get there solidly, and so
    that you don't have to back off below it.

    so move my three stretches of 10 into two stretches of 15,
    then all the way up, huh? cool ^_^

    thank you!!

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  11. Quoted message said:

    Unlike a lot of beginners, you seem to be doing things
    pretty right. It *is* good that you don't feel sore in the
    morning. I would say right now don't think about increasing
    your speed (which is probably numero uno beginner's
    mistake), but instead work on spacing your walk breaks a
    little farther each week while keeping your total time.
    Once you get to the point where you can go for 30 minutes
    without a walk break, then start making one workout a week
    a little longer--until you're comfortable doing 5-6 miles.
    IMHO, that's a pretty good baseline for the casual
    runner/cardio health; when you get to that point you can
    devise new goals.

    thank you ^_^

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  12. Quoted message said:

    what u r doing sounds great it takes me 40 minutes to do
    3.7 miles keep an even pace , other than that you r doing
    great plodzilla

    thanks!

    you guys have been great for my self confidence ^_^

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  13. caroline:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    i'm a beginner.

    At running, yes. At winding people up...

    i don't understand your comment.

    Quoted message said:

    Chasing after peope is never a good idea. Set your own
    goals. Let them chase you.

    he's my success coach. he's helped me do a heck of a lot.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    last time he was doing circles around me

    People do that to you quite a lot, don't they? You really
    *must* get a grip on your life. No use having a web site
    stuffed full of wise sayings if you don't put them into
    practice IRL.

    i'm sorry, but do i know you? have i offended you somewhere
    before? i have no idea why you're saying this stuff. as far
    as i know i've never even heard of you.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    thanks 🙂

    S'ok. Love to the Bean.

    ? who ARE you?

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  14. On 09 May 2004 13:46:12 GMT, [email hidden] (kitznegari thinks it

    has wings) said:

    i don't understand your comment.

    'Twas a fairly straightforward sentence, you little tease...

    Quoted message said:

    he's my success coach. he's helped me do a heck of a lot.

    Nothing that you couldn't have achieved by yourself. You
    lack motivation which - given your 'net personality -
    surprises me.

    Quoted message said:

    i'm sorry, but do i know you?

    Our paths seem to cross rather too frequently.

    Quoted message said:

    have i offended you somewhere before?

    Not offended as such, perhaps you've been a little blunt.
    Note I didn't say you were *wrong* in your assessment of my
    persona, just a little too honest for my tastes.

    Quoted message said:

    ? who ARE you?

    Oh, no-one of any significance.

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