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  1. Monkey virus may hold clue for development of common
    blood cancer

    ORLANDO -- Examination of tumors in patients with newly
    diagnosed non-Hodgkin's lymphoma found that half of them
    show evidence of a monkey virus DNA that may have originated
    from contaminated polio vaccines. These findings suggest
    that Simian virus 40 (SV40) may "participate" in the
    development of the blood cancer, say researchers from The
    University of Texas
    M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, who presented their findings
    at the annual meeting of the American Association for
    Cancer Research

    HALF of them. Is that statistically significant?

  2. (KyroDoc) said:

    Monkey virus may hold clue for development of common
    blood cancer

    ORLANDO -- Examination of tumors in patients with newly
    diagnosed non-Hodgkin's lymphoma found that half of them
    show evidence of a monkey virus DNA that may have
    originated from contaminated polio vaccines. These
    findings suggest that Simian virus 40 (SV40) may
    "participate" in the development of the blood cancer, say
    researchers from The University of Texas
    M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, who presented their findings
    at the annual meeting of the American Association for
    Cancer Research

    HALF of them. Is that statistically significant?

    Who knows? What if half of them had eaten at Burger King?
    Would that lead you to conclude that Burger King causes
    cancer? Causation is a *very* difficult thing to establish,
    and nobody is served by jumping to conclusions.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    KyroDoc said:

    Monkey virus may hold clue for development of common
    blood cancer

    ORLANDO -- Examination of tumors in patients with newly
    diagnosed non-Hodgkin's lymphoma found that half of them
    show evidence of a monkey virus DNA that may have
    originated from contaminated polio vaccines.

    This news is about as hot as last week's pancake.

    Speculation about SV40 and human cancers has been going
    on for years. Thus far, the evidence for causality is
    pretty weak, though I do know an oncologist who thinks
    it's for real.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  4. (KyroDoc) said:

    Monkey virus may hold clue for development of common
    blood cancer

    ORLANDO -- Examination of tumors in patients with newly
    diagnosed non-Hodgkin's lymphoma found that half of them
    show evidence of a monkey virus DNA that may have
    originated from contaminated polio vaccines. These findings
    suggest that Simian virus 40 (SV40) may "participate" in
    the development of the blood cancer, say researchers from
    The University of Texas
    M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, who presented their findings
    at the annual meeting of the American Association for
    Cancer Research

    HALF of them. Is that statistically significant?

    No, it is not.

    I'll leave it as an exercise for you to figure out why.

  5. (KyroDoc) said:

    Monkey virus may hold clue for development of common
    blood cancer

    ORLANDO -- Examination of tumors in patients with newly
    diagnosed non-Hodgkin's lymphoma found that half of them
    show evidence of a monkey virus DNA that may have
    originated from contaminated polio vaccines. These findings
    suggest that Simian virus 40 (SV40) may "participate" in
    the development of the blood cancer, say researchers from
    The University of Texas
    M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, who presented their findings
    at the annual meeting of the American Association for
    Cancer Research

    HALF of them. Is that statistically significant?

    And ALL of them had dihydrogen oxide in them!!!!

    PF

  6. "KyroDoc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Monkey virus may hold clue for development of common
    blood cancer

    ORLANDO -- Examination of tumors in patients with newly
    diagnosed


    non-Hodgkin's

    Quoted message said:

    lymphoma found that half of them show evidence of a monkey
    virus DNA that


    may

    Quoted message said:

    have originated from contaminated polio vaccines. These
    findings suggest that Simian virus 40 (SV40) may
    "participate" in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    development of the blood cancer, say researchers from The
    University of


    Texas

    Quoted message said:

    M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, who presented their findings
    at the annual meeting of the American Association for
    Cancer Research

    HALF of them. Is that statistically significant?

    Idiot. How many of them visited chiropractors? Well?

    moo

  7. "KyroDoc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Monkey virus may hold clue for development of common
    blood cancer

    Quoted message said:

    ORLANDO -- Examination of tumors in patients with newly
    diagnosed


    non-Hodgkin's

    Quoted message said:

    lymphoma found that half of them show evidence of a monkey
    virus DNA that


    may

    Quoted message said:

    have originated from contaminated polio vaccines. These
    findings suggest that Simian virus 40 (SV40) may
    "participate" in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    development of the blood cancer, say researchers from The
    University of


    Texas

    Quoted message said:

    M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, who presented their findings
    at the annual meeting of the American Association for
    Cancer Research

    HALF of them. Is that statistically significant?

    You tell us.

    Half of the patients didn't have the virus, either. Is that
    significant?

    Jeff

  8. "Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "KyroDoc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040502083436.06424.00000374@mb-
    m25.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    Monkey virus may hold clue for development of common
    blood cancer

    ORLANDO -- Examination of tumors in patients with newly
    diagnosed


    non-Hodgkin's

    Quoted message said:

    lymphoma found that half of them show evidence of a
    monkey virus DNA


    that

    Quoted message said:

    may

    Quoted message said:

    have originated from contaminated polio vaccines. These
    findings suggest that Simian virus 40 (SV40) may
    "participate" in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    development of the blood cancer, say researchers from
    The University of


    Texas

    Quoted message said:

    M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, who presented their
    findings at the annual meeting of the American
    Association for Cancer Research

    HALF of them. Is that statistically significant?

    Idiot. How many of them visited chiropractors? Well?

    moo

    50% may be significant but not relevant. Now if HALF of them
    were men who

    thing)........................................

  9. Jeff said:

    Half of the patients didn't have the virus, either. Is
    that significant?

    If you toss a coin in the air, the odds are the same.
    Statistically significant? You decide. ;-)

  10. (KyroDoc) said:

    I'll continue to post articles that are intresting and
    thought provoking....

    Still waiting for that first one... ;-)

  11. "KyroDoc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'll continue to post articles that are intresting
    and thought


    provoking....

    Quoted message said:


    Have a healthy day

    No one said you couldn't or shouldn't. (-;

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    KyroDoc said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "tech27"

    Quoted message said:

    Idiot. How many of them visited chiropractors? Well?

    LOL!!!! You guys remind me of the cackling hens down at
    Country Gardens nursing facility....crowing sneers and jabs
    during their daily Bridge sessions.

    An unknown number of Americans were infected with tainted
    vaccine. Research is inching us along to that conclusion.

    You're a bit out of touch, aren't you? The SV40 has been
    known for a long time. The question is whether it's doing
    us any harm.

    Quoted message said:

    I'll continue to post articles that are intresting and
    thought provoking....

    You can only continue to do something if you've already done
    it at least once.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    KyroDoc said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    The SV40 has been known for a long time. The question is
    whether it's doing us any harm.

    No Dave. Your goose stepping cronies argue causal
    relationship as well, thus began the thread as Jeff jumped
    me like a flea on a Greyhound. ( Incidently, Jeff knows OJ
    is innocent)

    The causal relationship is not well-established in humans.
    Some studies show it exists, some do not. I've actually
    researched it. Have you? Or is your study just restricted to
    reading one article?

    Quoted message said:

    Now. Open wide and lets give you a jigger of OPV grown on
    infected rhesus kidney tissue. We'll see how you do.

    I had my doses of OPV as a kid, so there's at least some
    chance I've already been infected with SV40. It doesn't keep
    me up nights.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  14. (KyroDoc) said:

    No Dave. Your goose stepping cronies argue causal
    relationship as well,

    Argue? There's no argument. The study offers no evidence of
    causal relationship. Several people tried to explain that to
    you, but as usual it flew in one ear and out the other.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure there are quite a few lurkers in this group who
    aren't familiar with the issue, so I posted the
    interesting article for purpose of general information.

    I suspect you underestimate the lurkers. Assuming they're
    not smarter than you is a bad assumption.

  15. "Carey Gregory" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (KyroDoc) wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    I suspect you underestimate the lurkers. Assuming they're
    not smarter


    than

    Quoted message said:

    you is a bad assumption.

    Good point. I suspect that the reason some "lurk" while
    others post is that the lurkers are there to read and learn,
    and are not much interested in replying to silliness or
    getting into a flame war. They generally unlurk to engage in
    an intelligent thread to ask questions or post comments if
    they feel they have something positive to offer. If this
    isn't a sign of higher
    intelligence....................................

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