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  1. Pedals arrived yesterday and after a trip to our only purely
    road LBS Sidi shoes completed the requirements. I went for
    SPD-SL R540 pedals, they are the black ones that are
    basically a copy of the dura ace ones but in black resin.
    They're only 330g a pair and come with floating cleats which
    are about £12 to replace. They are specified as 6° float but
    they have a c.8mm of lateral float too. Shimano literature
    states the wear indicators for replacement, and after the
    spin in the park I can see that this might go down VERY
    quickly. I am reminded of the 'Shimano is the Microsoft of
    the cycling world' statement I heard on this(?) NG recently.
    It certainly seems to my cynical mind they've deliberately
    designed longevity out of the equation! I'm getting less
    happy with Shimano as time wears on. Or should that be
    $himano ;-) The pedals themselves seem pretty good from my
    inexperienced veiw point. I've got them on the lowest
    setting and I can envisage that being a little too low. I'll
    up them a little after they've clobbered my shins. They spin
    round at rest to the perfect entry position, with them being
    brand new, the motion is well damped and a bit slugish, but
    I expect that'll loosen up quickly. The entry itself is very
    easy and it is difficult to prevent engagement, even if you
    could use them without slipping off unengaged, which you
    can't. You can definitely use the other side in ordinary
    rubber soled shoes, even if the shops are way off. Getting
    out of them is a doddle and I didn't fall over in the park;
    though my followup to this may be from hospital in the early
    hours after my commute to teach this evening;-) The shoes
    are Sidi Dynamics in plain black (with a dash of red on the
    straps). I take a 45 virtually always, but these are a 46,
    do other people find this? They were £60 from local LBS and
    the pedals were £30 from cycle-express.

    --
    Mike W

  2. VisionSet said:

    I'm getting less happy with Shimano as time wears on. Or

    Should have got Time pedals then :-)

    I reckon the cleats will last much llonger than they say
    they'll last. I used to have metal SPD cleats on my MTB
    shoes. I also had some metal Look cleats but never got round
    to using them as I have to replace cleats so rarely. My Look
    cleats are well past their sell by but they still work OK.

  3. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Visionset
    Pedals arrived yesterday and after a trip to our only purely
    road LBS Sidi shoes completed the requirements. I went for
    SPD-SL R540 pedals, they are the black ones that are
    basically a copy of the dura ace ones but in black resin.
    They're only 330g a pair and come with floating cleats which
    are about £12 to replace. They are specified as 6° float but
    they have a c.8mm of lateral float too. . .

    The pedals themselves seem pretty good from my
    inexperienced veiw point. I've got them on the lowest
    setting and I can envisage that being a little too low. I'll
    up them a little after they've clobbered my shins. They spin
    round at rest to the perfect entry position, with them being
    brand new, the motion is well damped and a bit slugish, but
    I expect that'll loosen up quickly. The entry itself is very
    easy and it is difficult to prevent engagement, even if you
    could use them without slipping off unengaged, which you
    can't. You can definitely use the other side in ordinary
    rubber soled shoes, even if the shops are way off. Getting
    out of them is a doddle and I didn't fall over in the park;
    though my followup to this may be from hospital in the early
    hours after my commute to teach this evening;-)
    --
    Mike W

    I ride the Shimano PD-R600 (30g lighter than the R540) because I like the shiny aluminium look they have 😉 I also really like the large pedal platform which ought to enhance stability as well. I use my cleats (floating kind) with Diador Alu shoes, and had to get hold of a longer bolt for the apex of the cleat - obviously a case of Shimano trying to steer me toward their brand of footwear.

    I'm not particularly worried about the wear on the cleats themselves as I don't intend to do much walking around in them, but like you Mike I've dialed the tension down to a low setting whilst I get used to them 🙂

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    VisionSet said:

    I'm getting less happy with Shimano as time wears on. Or

    Should have got Time pedals then :-)

    I reckon the cleats will last much llonger than they say
    they'll last. I used to have metal SPD cleats on my MTB
    shoes. I also had some metal Look cleats but never got
    round to using them as I have to replace cleats so rarely.
    My Look cleats are well past their sell by but they still
    work OK.

    I found that my old Look cleats wore out far faster (Being
    plastic) than the Shimano ones. The current pair are still
    going strong after around 8 months, despite small potterings
    away from the bike, and one long trek home when my chain
    exploded at the top of Leith walk. (It didn't just break...
    there's at least a link missing!)

    I didn't realise you could get metal cleats for Look pedals.
    I thought the idea was that the plastic cleat wouldn't wear
    out the pedal, thus the pedal lasts longer.

    Jon

  5. "Jon Senior" <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    VisionSet said:

    I'm getting less happy with Shimano as time wears
    on. Or

    Should have got Time pedals then :-)

    I reckon the cleats will last much llonger than they say
    they'll last. I used to have metal SPD cleats on my MTB
    shoes. I also had some metal


    Look

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cleats but never got round to using them as I have to
    replace cleats so rarely. My Look cleats are well past
    their sell by but they still work


    OK.

    Quoted message said:


    I found that my old Look cleats wore out far faster (Being
    plastic) than the Shimano ones.

    The SPD-SL cleats are plastic.

    --
    Mike W

  6. VisionSet [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    The SPD-SL cleats are plastic.

    Interesting... are they the road ones? Their "road" SPDs do
    look much more Look like, so I guess it would be no surprise
    that the cleats were too.

    Jon

  7. "Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    VisionSet [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    The SPD-SL cleats are plastic.

    Interesting... are they the road ones?

    Yes

    Quoted message said:

    Their "road" SPDs do look much more Look like, so I guess
    it would be no surprise that the cleats were too.

    images.google.co.ukimages
    8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en

    --
    Mike W

  8. Jon Senior said:

    I didn't realise you could get metal cleats for Look
    pedals.

    They're rare. I've never seen any.

    Quoted message said:

    I thought the idea was that the plastic cleat wouldn't
    wear out the pedal, thus the pedal lasts longer.

    That's probably true with floating versions at least. Fixed
    cleats don't wear the pedal so much. Plastic also saves
    weight. The pedals are already heavy without a great big
    lump of thick metal for a cleat (much larger than SPDs).

    ~PB

  9. Thanks for the review Mike. Useful info.

    Things that would concern me (a Look user who's never used
    SL) about SL: 6 degree float instead of 9, £12 for cleats,
    ShimajustsayNO badge on an all-Campag bike :-)

    Things that might convert me one day: Pedal price, weight,
    low stack height, lateral float (maybe), better bearings.

    ~PB

  10. Pete Biggs [email hidden] opined the
    following...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the review Mike. Useful info.
    =20
    Things that would concern me (a Look user who's never used
    SL) about SL: 6 degree float instead of 9, =A312 for
    cleats, ShimajustsayNO badge =


    on

    Quoted message said:

    an all-Campag bike :-)
    =20
    Things that might convert me one day: Pedal price, weight,
    low stack height, lateral float (maybe), better bearings.

    My original clipless pedals were Look. After about 7 years
    of riding,=20 with no servicing (of the pedals), I replaced
    them with SPDs (MTB ones=20 make for easy commuting!). I was
    pleased to find that the bearings are=20 still as smooth as
    the day I bought them. Now *that's* quality!

    Jon

  11. Jon Senior <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Interesting... are they the road ones? Their "road" SPDs
    do look much more Look like, so I guess it would be no
    surprise that the cleats were too.

    Looks like they look like a Look look-alike, like.

    --
    Dave...

  12. In article
    <[email hidden]>, dkahn400
    @yahoo.co.uk says...

    Quoted message said:

    Looks like they look like a Look look-alike, like.

    Ooof. Did you have to?

    Jon

  13. Pete Biggs pclemantine{remove [email hidden] opined the
    following...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the review Mike. Useful info.

    Things that would concern me (a Look user who's never used
    SL) about SL: 6 degree float instead of 9, 12 for cleats,
    ShimajustsayNO badge on an all-Campag bike :-)

    Things that might convert me one day: Pedal price, weight,
    low stack height, lateral float (maybe), better bearings.

    Wierd your post didn't get to my news server, had to
    google it out.

    I'm not biased, I found the choice very hard, and I'm still
    far from convinced. But all your points I considered:

    Quoted message said:

    Pedal price,


    Very cheap, certainly the 540's - can be had for just £30

    Quoted message said:

    weight,


    330g very competive and about unbeatable at the price.

    Quoted message said:

    low stack height,


    Seems very compact, doubt you could get that much closer
    the spindle.

    Quoted message said:

    lateral float (maybe),


    Yes, not mentioned in any literature I've seen but
    about 8mm.

    Quoted message said:

    better bearings.


    Time will tell, but they are at least easily available and
    cheaply, and I think are easy to replace.

    And I survived my commute, but only had to touch tarmac
    twice. I imagine I'll meet it more abruptly when I've
    forgotten I've got them and get blasé.

    --
    Mike W

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