Lakelander 3000

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Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours.

Why?
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Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours.

Why?

Presumably because you left your GPS, camera, walking poles
or map on one of those peaks but can't remember which one?
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Because it's a challenge, and it's there.

Does anyone have any advice?

Ta

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Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours.

Why?

Presumably because you left your GPS, camera, walking
poles or map on one of those peaks but can't remember
which one?
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Gordon

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Because it's a challenge, and it's there.

Does anyone have any advice?

Ta

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> Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
> Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours.

Why?

Presumably because you left your GPS, camera, walking
poles or map on one of those peaks but can't remember
which one?
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Gordon

My advice: Be very quiet as you go past anybody's home in
the middle of the night - specially in Wasdale. They get
enough disturbance from the people doing the Three Peak
Motorway Dash.

Will - it has been done many times before. Indeed it is a
fell race. Why add to the erosion - create your own
challenge - be original.

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Does anyone know much about this challenge?

ISTR that the Ramblers have an organised event every year
but don't know the date so you could find yourself one of a
very large crowd.

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Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours. I'm planning on
doing this in June or July and was wandering if anyone had
done it before.

It is a closed loop walk traditionally starting and
finishing in Keswick (Moot Hall?). I think the closed loop
idea is silly as it results in a long road walking leg but
that is the par of the challenge. I bent the rules to start
and finish at Seathwaite thus leaving the worst of the road
walking till last.

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Any ideas on routes, etc.?

The easiest route is fairly obvious.

Starting at Keswick.

By road to Seathwaite and then Sty Head and the Corridor
Route to Mickledore.

Choice of route at Mickledore depending on whether you are a
rock climber (Broadstand), a risk taker (Lords Rake) or a
cautious walker (Foxes Tarn path). To Scafell and return by
the same route.

Then Scafell Pike, Esk Pike and Angle Tarn.

From Angle Tarn take the contouring path round the flank of
Rossett Pike, over High White Stones (should be possible to
avoid the summit), down Wythburn to Wythburn and so to
Helvellyn.

Take a suitable route back to the main road and then by road
to Keswick and the usual walking route up and down Skiddaw
and finish back at the start point.

IIRC 45 miles and 10000 feet of ascent. A support party is a
help but not essential is doing it on your own. Some 30
years since I did it so details a bit hazy but by now there
should be a deep groove all the way round. :-)

It would be a much better walk if the road walking could be
avoided but avoiding the road would substantially increase
the difficulty. It is not a great stretch from that to the
Bob Graham Round which, although theoretically walkable in
24 hours, is really the province of Fell Runners.

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Roger Chapman so far this year 27 summits New - 16 (Marilyns
4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 11( Marilyns 2,
Sweats 6, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 3 times

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Does anyone know much about this challenge?

Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours. I'm planning on
doing this in June or July and was wandering if anyone had
done it before.

Any ideas on routes, etc.?

Thanks

Will

Not heard of that, but the Bob Graham is the one to go for
if you want a challenge

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Dave

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Does anyone know much about this challenge?

Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours. I'm planning on
doing this in June or July and was wandering if anyone had
done it before.

Any ideas on routes, etc.?

Thanks

Will

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Rory

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My advice: Be very quiet as you go past anybody's home in
the middle of the night - specially in Wasdale. They get
enough disturbance from the people doing the Three Peak
Motorway Dash.

Will - it has been done many times before. Indeed it is a
fell race. Why add to the erosion - create your own
challenge - be original.

I think if I lived in one of those villages I'd buy a
'Stinger' like the p*l*c* use to stop stolen cars in car
chases. :-)
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Gordon

Hmm.. I've heard of that one before, but I was hoping to do
a challenge that is actually possible - that Bob Graham
round sounds like just plain madness. As far as I know, it's
more for fell runners, and I'm not quite that daft ("see you
in a bit, just going to run up this mountain"!).

Thanks for all the tips anyway - I might tell you all how it
went in a few months.

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Does anyone know much about this challenge?

Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours. I'm planning on
doing this in June or July and

was

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wandering if anyone had done it before.

Any ideas on routes, etc.?

Thanks

Will

Not heard of that, but the Bob Graham is the one to go for
if you want a challenge

bobgrahamround.co.ukbobgrahamround.co.ukOpen ↗

Dave

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The Bob Graham is the one to go for if you want a
challenge

bobgrahamround.co.ukbobgrahamround.co.ukOpen ↗

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Hmm.. I've heard of that one before, but I was hoping to do
a challenge that is actually possible - that Bob Graham
round sounds like just plain madness. As far as I know,
it's more for fell runners, and I'm not quite that daft
("see you in a bit, just going to run up this mountain"!).

Bob Graham Round in one day = incredibly hard in two days =
pretty hard in three days = pretty sensible challenge walk.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
"Westminster Gasworks"

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Because it's a challenge, and it's there.

Translation: someone else defined it and I want to live up
to their standards.

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Does anyone have any advice?

Yes, several bits of advice.

a. Learn to post interleaved.

b. Get some better reasons for doing stuff like this.

c. Even better, get your own reasons to do your own stuff.

Apologies to everyone for not fixing the top-posting. Too
much Easter chocolate.
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> Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
> Pike, Skiddaw

and

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> Helvellyn in 24 hours.

Why?

Presumably because you left your GPS, camera, walking
poles or map on one of those peaks but can't remember
which one?
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Because it's a challenge, and it's there.

Translation: someone else defined it and I want to live up
to their standards.

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Does anyone have any advice?

Yes, several bits of advice.

a. Learn to post interleaved.

b. Get some better reasons for doing stuff like this.

c. Even better, get your own reasons to do your own stuff.

Apologies to everyone for not fixing the top-posting. Too
much Easter chocolate.

Correct me if I am wrong. Is this a walking group? Did the
poster post a question about walking? Why all the
negativity?

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Correct me if I am wrong. Is this a walking group?

Yes.

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Did the poster post a question about walking?

Yes.

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Why all the negativity?

Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort of
challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but get your
asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air that's
forecast for any minute now...
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Bob Graham Round in one day = incredibly hard in two
days = pretty hard in three days = pretty sensible
challenge walk.

I did it in 38 hours.It's no great shakes.

Ian.

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Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort
of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but get
your asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air that's
forecast for any minute now...

Not up to it more like. :-)

Some people like a challenge and the Lakes 3000s is a very
different kettle of fish to the National 3 peaks. For a
start it is a walk, not an extended coach trip and, unlike
the later, it is a genuinely hard walk. (Naismith time of
over 20 hours). The downside is that overall it is not a
particularly appealing walk, at least to those who dislike
road walking. About one third of the walk is along roads and
the road walking part is just about inescapable.

I can't see what all the fuss is about. We have come to a
sorry state if the only people allowed to walk up the more
popular hills in the Lake District without barracking are
the grockles.

(Top posting is of course to be deprecated).

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 27 summits New - 16 (Marilyns
4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 11( Marilyns 2,
Sweats 6, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 3 times

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Because it's a challenge, and it's there.

Translation: someone else defined it and I want to live
up to their standards.

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Does anyone have any advice?

Yes, several bits of advice.

a. Learn to post interleaved.

b. Get some better reasons for doing stuff like this.

c. Even better, get your own reasons to do your own
stuff.

Apologies to everyone for not fixing the top-posting.
Too much Easter chocolate.

Correct me if I am wrong.

With pleasure :-)

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Is this a walking group?

Yup.

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Did the poster post a question about walking?

Possibly. I asked a question to give the OP a chance to say
a little more about what they were asking.

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Why all the negativity?

Have you seen the state of the 3 peaks in the Dales? That's
nearly all down to the challenge of doing the 3 peaks. Have
you seen the state of Everest Base Camp? Chamonix? Have you
paid attention to the thread about Snowdon a while back? Do
you see a pattern?

Those all result from a whole bunch of people doing someone
else's (narrow) idea of what's worthwhile out of doors.
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Correct me if I am wrong. Is this a walking group?

Yes.

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Did the poster post a question about walking?

Yes.

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Why all the negativity?

Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort
of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but get
your asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air that's
forecast for any minute now...

Oh come now, it's not a question of being "above" or
"below", it's about questioning whether set challenges are a
good thing. I do question whether they are a good thing
because of their known role in negative environmental
impacts on the areas where they are set.

And so I provided a question and an opportunity for
discussion. Not that the OP provided much of an answer.
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Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort
of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but
get your asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air
that's forecast for any minute now...

Not up to it more like. :-)

The notion of democratic participation upon which Usenet is
based does not require a test on the ability to do something
in order to discuss it. For example, you may hold views on
genetic engineering without in fact knowing how to build a
gene-splicing lab.

That said, I hope your knee is still holding up.

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Some people like a challenge and the Lakes 3000s is a very
different kettle of fish to the National 3 peaks. For a
start it is a walk, not an extended coach trip and, unlike
the later, it is a genuinely hard walk. (Naismith time of
over 20 hours). The downside is that overall it is not a
particularly appealing walk, at least to those who dislike
road walking. About one third of the walk is along roads
and the road walking part is just about inescapable.

That's why it's mysterious to me that anybody would want to
do it. But I'd be fascinated to have the motivation
explained.

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I can't see what all the fuss is about. We have come to a
sorry state if the only people allowed to walk up the more
popular hills in the Lake District without barracking are
the grockles.

No barracking about walking up hills. But why does it have
to be a particular challenge?

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(Top posting is of course to be deprecated).

Goes without saying.
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Why all the negativity?

Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort
of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but
get your asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air
that's forecast for any minute now...

Oh come now, it's not a question of being "above" or
"below", it's about questioning whether set challenges are
a good thing. I do question whether they are a good thing
because of their known role in negative environmental
impacts on the areas where they are set.

And so I provided a question and an opportunity for
discussion. Not that the OP provided much of an answer.

The OP was probably thoroughly intimidated by the responses
he got. Not everyone is of the same mindset and he came here
asking for information. What he got was polemic re why he
shouldn't do the challenge, which wasn't at all what he
wanted. If people want to do these challenges it's not for
us or anyone else to say whether or not they should.
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