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  1. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    No barracking about walking up hills. But why does it have
    to be a particular challenge?


    Why not? Isn't any walk a 'challenge'? Isn't peak bagging a
    challenge? Some people like a challenge. For some it's a
    photographic one; for some it's a challenge to get lost
    whilst in possession of a working GPS; for some it's the
    challenge of bagging a list of summits; for some it's the
    challenge of covering a certain amount of distance or height
    in a certain amount of time. *Shrug*
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  2. "Will Platts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone know much about this challenge?

    Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
    Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours. I'm planning on
    doing this in June or July and was wandering if anyone had
    done it before.

    Any ideas on routes, etc.?

    Thanks

    Will

    Good luck Will, don't expect much advice on your challenge
    in this NG. I post before I read, now I'm going to have a
    look. I smell hypocrisy and snobbery already. Mmmmmmm.

    KRO

  3. "KRO" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Will Platts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone know much about this challenge?

    Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
    Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours. I'm planning on
    doing this in June or July and


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wandering if anyone had done it before.

    Any ideas on routes, etc.?

    Thanks

    Will

    Good luck Will, don't expect much advice on your challenge
    in this NG. I post before I read, now I'm going to have a
    look. I smell hypocrisy and snobbery already. Mmmmmmm.

    KRO


    ...........mmmm, not as bad as I expected. But I'm sure you
    get the drift. Remember and post how you got on.

    KRO

  4. Fran <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    No barracking about walking up hills. But why does it
    have to be a particular challenge?


    Why not? Isn't any walk a 'challenge'? Isn't peak bagging a
    challenge? Some people like a challenge. For some it's a
    photographic one; for some it's a challenge to get lost
    whilst in possession of a working GPS; for some it's the
    challenge of bagging a list of summits; for some it's the
    challenge of covering a certain amount of distance or
    height in a certain amount of time. *Shrug*

    I walked a total of 26 miles this week (Mon-Sun). Wow!

    ...and I feel much fitter than I would if I did it in
    one day. 🙂
    --
    Gordon

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Mark South
    <[email hidden]> writes

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    Oh come now, it's not a question of being "above" or
    "below", it's about questioning whether set challenges are
    a good thing. I do question whether they are a good thing
    because of their known role in negative environmental
    impacts on the areas where they are set.

    What are the negative environmental impacts of the Lakeland
    4,000s challenge walk? And how do they compare to those
    caused by the huge numbers of ascents of H, Sk, S and SP
    each week throughout the year?

    At around 40m miles, it is not going to attract crowds of
    walkers - either as an event or through individuals/small
    groups doing it at times of their own choosing.

    Vehicle noise/traffic problems? It is a circular walk.

    Any more?

    Russ Clare

  6. "Fran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
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    > Why all the negativity?

    Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the
    sort of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about
    it, but get your asbestos suit ready for the
    inevitable hot air that's forecast for any minute
    now...

    Oh come now, it's not a question of being "above" or
    "below", it's about questioning whether set challenges
    are a good thing. I do question


    whether

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they are a good thing because of their known role in
    negative


    environmental

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    impacts on the areas where they are set.

    And so I provided a question and an opportunity for
    discussion. Not


    that

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    the OP provided much of an answer.

    The OP was probably thoroughly intimidated by the
    responses he got.

    What makes you think that?

    Quoted message said:

    Not everyone is of the same mindset and he came here
    asking for information. What he got was polemic re why
    he shouldn't do the challenge, which wasn't at all what
    he wanted.

    Ah, the "We exist to serve the requests of posters who
    ask for information" theory. Also known as the Homework
    Server Fallacy.

    If he just wanted information he might have tried google and
    various other places. If he wanted a discussion, why refuse
    to discuss?

    Quoted message said:

    If people want to do these challenges it's not for us or
    anyone else to say whether or not they should.

    It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you disagree,
    that's fine.
    --
    Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
    Ce poulet a une grenade!

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If people want to do these challenges it's not for us or
    anyone else to say whether or not they should.

    It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you disagree,
    that's fine.
    --
    Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net
    <<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!>>

    Rory

  8. "Rodders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If people want to do these challenges it's not for us
    or anyone else to say whether or not they should.

    It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you
    disagree, that's fine.


    You already had several chances to put your point of view,
    which you have ignored.

    Foulmouthed ad hominem attacks don't make anyone look very
    good in general.
    --
    Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
    Ce poulet a une grenade!

  9. "Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Rodders" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    > If people want to do these challenges it's not for
    > us or anyone else to say whether or not they should.

    It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you
    disagree, that's


    fine.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    You already had several chances to put your point of view,
    which you have ignored.

    Foulmouthed ad hominem attacks don't make anyone look
    very good in


    general.

    You have just advocated freedom of speech which I agree
    with. You have stated your view of the topic. My comment is
    what I think of you.

  10. "Rodders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Mark South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Rodders" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:


    > > If people want to do these challenges it's not for
    > > us or anyone else to say whether or not they
    > > should.
    >
    > It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you
    > disagree, that's


    fine.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    You already had several chances to put your point of
    view, which you


    have

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    ignored.

    Foulmouthed ad hominem attacks don't make anyone look
    very good in


    general.

    You have just advocated freedom of speech which I
    agree with.

    Actually, you don't. You believe in a gestapo-like "just
    answer the question!" view of how other people should act.

    Quoted message said:

    You have stated your view of the topic.

    Yes, I think everybody knew that.

    Quoted message said:

    My comment is what I think of you.

    My note was to point out to you that as a consequence of the
    way you expressed it, everyone now knows what to think of
    you. Bad luck.

    Say what you like from now on, I won't bother to pass any
    more clues your way.

  11. Quoted message said:

    My note was to point out to you that as a consequence of
    the way you expressed it, everyone now knows what to think
    of you. Bad luck.

    Say what you like from now on, I won't bother to pass any
    more clues your way.

    Please tell me the wealth of knowledge that you have
    enlightened me with?

    All I see is snidey comments to genuine posters who are
    needed in this group. If all new posters were treated the
    way this poster was, then the group would die.

    There are enough mature and sensible posters on this group
    to answer any question a new walker has, I hardly think the
    loss of your input would be noticed

  12. Quoted message said:

    Correct me if I am wrong. Is this a walking group? Did the
    poster post a question about walking? Why all the
    negativity?

    Exactly, he was asking a bout a trip with a vast tradition
    behind it, and a real acheivement as well.

    Why treat the poster as if he had asked about the "3 peaks
    drive" from a Scottish College?

    Richard Webb

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,
    Fran <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Why not? Isn't any walk a 'challenge'? Isn't peak bagging a
    challenge? Some people like a challenge. For some it's a
    photographic one; for some it's a challenge to get lost
    whilst in possession of a working GPS;

    I detect a certain NG conditioning here - of course I'm sure
    you have no-one in mind :-)

    In crossword vein let me say Private Service heads will
    appear soon .

    I think I'll take cover now!
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  14. Quoted message said:

    ISTR that the Ramblers have an organised event every year
    but don't know the date so you could find yourself one of a
    very large crowd.

    Usually around the longest day IIRC, so 3rd weekend in June.
    This may be wrong :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Any ideas on routes, etc.?

    We took a similar route to Roger, only we started from
    Keswick at 2am, went up and down Skiddaw first (sunrise on
    the descent). Then the same as Roger. The worst bit by far
    was the descent down Wythburn - you can see the road at the
    bottom of Helvellyn from the start of the descent so it
    doesn't look too far, but it is endless. And the road back
    from Helvellyn to Keswick was far worse than the one down
    Borrowdale, partly because we were tired, mostly because it
    was a very main road. We had some support - a change of
    footwear after Skiddaw so we could run to Seathwaite where
    we had a cooked breakfast :-) Then the support was delayed
    on Glaramara so the promised food at the bottom of Helvellyn
    didn't happen. It took us 20 1/2 hours, only about a fifth
    of those who started managed to finish. I am glad I did it
    as now I never have to do it again :-)

    Have fun

    S.

  15. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Simon Caldwell <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    It took us 20 1/2 hours, only about a fifth of those who
    started managed to finish. I am glad I did it as now I
    never have to do it again :-)

    I had 2 attempts. The first was a solo affair. Good weather
    and I was going very well when suddenlyc oming off
    Helvellyn, ouch, an excruciating pain in the left hip. It is
    not too difficult to walk with a painful knee (unless on a
    steep slope you don't need to move it) but a hip is
    different. I eventually made it down to the road and hitched
    back to Seathwaite.

    A year or 2 later I had another go but this time I organised
    it as a club meet so we had support at the road crossings.
    Unfortunately the weather was not too good and I was not so
    fit and, worst of all my boots didn't fit very well either.
    Sitting on the pavement in Station Road, Keswick with my
    feet in the gutter some bright spark suggested he lance the
    balloon on my little toe. Teach him right, struck in the eye
    by the liquid escaping under pressure. Blisters are much
    more painful when fully deflated and it was touch and go for
    a time going up Skiddaw before a bit of lubrication found
    its way back in.

    I didn't know it at the time but by then I was the only
    one of the team left walking. ISTR that the likely lads
    had had a bit of difficulty navigating in the mist that
    had plagued the early hours of the day. The final long
    slog along the road is best forgotten, made more difficult
    by the frequent offers of a lift from the Range Rover (not
    mine, that was much later) that accompanied me on the
    final stage (in low ratio).

    Unlike the Welsh 3000s I had not the slightest desire to
    repeat the experience. I cannot find my notes atm but I
    think I took just over 21 hours. The blisters probably cost
    me an hour or 2.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 27 summits New - 16 (Marilyns
    4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 11( Marilyns 2,
    Sweats 6, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 3 times

  16. Quoted message said:

    Have you seen the state of the 3 peaks in the Dales? That's
    nearly all down to the challenge of doing the 3 peaks. Have
    you seen the state of Everest Base Camp? Chamonix? Have you
    paid attention to the thread about Snowdon a while back? Do
    you see a pattern?

    Do you actually know anything about the Lakes 3000s walk?
    What route it takes? Obviously you don't, since a
    significant part of it goes down one of the least frequented
    and least eroded valleys in the Lake District. The numbers
    doing this walk are (relatively) tiny, since unlike all the
    examples you give, it is difficult.

    S.

  17. Mark South said:


    That's why it's mysterious to me that anybody would want to
    do it. But I'd be fascinated to have the motivation
    explained.

    Does peak-bagging of any sort need to be explained?
    Assuming that you understand why people 'collect' Munros,
    or Corbetts, or anything similar, then the reason for the
    attraction of this challenge is surely obvious - it links
    all the 3000 foot hills in England into a single
    continuous walk.

    The Welsh 3000s and Scottish 4000s (rather more difficult!)
    are similar undertakings. Or the Dales 3 Peaks. Or at a
    rather easier level, the Howgills 2000 footers.

    S.

  18. Russ Clare said:


    What are the negative environmental impacts of the Lakeland
    4,000s challenge walk?

    The challenge being to find them I suppose ;-)

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