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Vitamin C rather then statin PART TWO

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  1. Jim Chinnis said:

    Well...the evidence *supports* causality, but is not
    conclusive by a long shot. The causality argument is
    *supported* by the fact that we understand how the
    vitamins drop homocysteine. So when the vitamins are given
    to hyperhomocysteinemic individuals and cIMT falls, we
    know that the associated homocysteine drop wasn't caused
    by the cIMT drop in some way... But we still don't know
    that the cIMT drop was due to the homocysteine drop. The
    study seems to me to rule out causality in the direction
    of cIMT affects homocysteine, so it strengthens support to
    causality in the other direction.

    But only support or suggestion. No proof.
    --
    Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

    Is it possible then with this interpretation that
    atherosclerosis itself may cause elevated homocysteine? If
    so, then the vitamins may be working through a completely
    different pathway than homocysteine metabolism, correct?

    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke
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    Dr. Blanchard said, in response to Phantom Jim "Is it possible then
    with this interpretation that atherosclerosis itself may cause
    elevated homocysteine?"

    Dr. Blanchard this was my understanding.

    B'adant

  2. (Zee) said:
    Jim Chinnis said:

    Well...the evidence *supports* causality, but is not
    conclusive by a long shot. The causality argument is
    *supported* by the fact that we understand how the
    vitamins drop homocysteine. So when the vitamins are
    given to hyperhomocysteinemic individuals and cIMT
    falls, we know that the associated homocysteine drop
    wasn't caused by the cIMT drop in some way... But we
    still don't know that the cIMT drop was due to the
    homocysteine drop. The study seems to me to rule out
    causality in the direction of cIMT affects homocysteine,
    so it strengthens support to causality in the other
    direction.

    But only support or suggestion. No proof.
    --
    Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

    Is it possible then with this interpretation that
    atherosclerosis itself may cause elevated homocysteine? If
    so, then the vitamins may be working through a completely
    different pathway than homocysteine metabolism, correct?

    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke
    sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

    Dr. Blanchard said, in response to Phantom Jim "Is it
    possible then with this interpretation that
    atherosclerosis itself may cause elevated
    homocysteine?"

    Dr. Blanchard this was my understanding.

    B'adant

    If I might comment...

    It is 'Sonos' who posted the reply.

    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke
    sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  3. Sonos said:
    (Zee) said:

    On 7-Apr-2004, Jim Chinnis <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Well...the evidence *supports* causality, but is not
    conclusive by a long shot. The causality argument is
    *supported* by the fact that we understand how the
    vitamins drop homocysteine. So when the vitamins are
    given to hyperhomocysteinemic individuals and cIMT
    falls, we know that the associated homocysteine drop
    wasn't caused by the cIMT drop in some way... But we
    still don't know that the cIMT drop was due to the
    homocysteine drop. The study seems to me to rule out
    causality in the direction of cIMT affects
    homocysteine, so it strengthens support to causality
    in the other direction.

    But only support or suggestion. No proof.
    --
    Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

    Is it possible then with this interpretation that
    atherosclerosis itself may cause elevated homocysteine?
    If so, then the vitamins may be working through a
    completely different pathway than homocysteine
    metabolism, correct?

    --
    Winning against heart attack and stroke
    sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

    Dr. Blanchard said, in response to Phantom Jim "Is it
    possible then with this interpretation that
    atherosclerosis itself may cause elevated
    homocysteine?"

    Dr. Blanchard this was my understanding.

    B'adant

    If I might comment...

    It is 'Sonos' who posted the reply.

    Are you claiming that 'Sonos' is not Dr. Patrick Blanchard's
    alias/pseudonym?

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