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KH24 remains the best deal for a serious MUni. You can treat
it like an old Chevy Nova, in that the base parts will
always be there, will probably last indefinitely, and you
can upgrade the details without having compromized on the
basic components, such as frame, axle, etc.

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Thats sorta what i was thinking...If i were to buy the Onza
i would just wish I'd bought the KH24 and if i buy the
nimbus I'd eventually just turn it into the KH24...The KH24
is actually what i voted for in my own poll. But i just want
to see how the unicycling community feels. I wish the guy
who voted for the Onza left me a response as to why....

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save some cash and just get the KH with the stock
tyre.its plenty fat enough.i think that the Gazz is over-
rated on this forum,its heavy,sucks on pavement and even
worse in mud.

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why onza?

I bought kh one mounth ago and they are very poor
manufactured. I know that it's hard to belive but that it's
true. the hub is not symetric. That parts when you mount
cranks iz longer from one side that from another. The
difference is about 4mm. then the crown is leaning to one
side. then the seat tube is wih the angle to the crown. to
add I cannot eliminate the clicking sound from right crant.
no matter how strong I will put the bolts... read the forum
many people complains last time.

I dont't want to be badly understand. The idea is very good.
The frame project is very good. I like it very much. But
propably I will have to rebuild the frame to make it
straight. If you want that unicycle wait until they will
change it.

thats my opinion

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jorkee, maybe you got a lemon.... My KH24 is nice and
straight..

The KH24 is one heck-uva MUni. You will love it! Take
Jagur's advice and just get the standard Duro tire. Later
on, you can upgrade if you want. The duro is waaay less
expensive anyway... so you wouldn't be losing very much
money if you decided to get the gazz later on, and put it
on yourself.

Just so you know, I got the KH24 with the standard duro, and
bought the gazz separately. So I had a chance to ride it a
little with the duro, before I put on the gazz. Yeah, the
gazz has a little more volume, probably better treads, but
is it worth about $60 more dollars to you? If you want it
later on, then get it.

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I've just increased the votes for the onza to two...

As far as I can see the differences between the two are
pretty negligible. They're both pretty much indestructable
and will both do pretty much the same thing.

A while ago I was of the mind that were I looking for a
new muni it would be the onza with an upgraded 3" tyre,
but through Roger's arguments and riding Redwelly's onza a
bit I don't really see all that much lacking with the
current tyre.

However, what hasn't been mentioned yet is the difference
between the hubs and cranks. Go take a look at them; the 'KH
hub' (unicycle.uk.comkhhub.jpgOpen ↗) and
the 'onza' (tinyurl.com3etrvOpen ↗). The KH... well, it'll
do the job, but it is big, black, square and, well, kinda
ugly. As opposed to the onza, which...

- is noticeably lighter;
- has cranks which are much easier and quicker to
install and remove (take two allan keys into the
shower? Hell no!);
- has smooth, rounded corners and surfaces, and a funky
"onza" logo;

..but most importantly are *so damn shiny* you can't help
but feel they're the best unicycle part you ever laid eyes
on. They just look so fine it is sometimes a shame to cover
them in mud, but when you attack it with the hose and that
chrome shines through like a ray of sunlight on a rainy day
you know you made the right choice.

I don't have an onza muni, but I do have the onza hub on my
muni. I'll give it up when you pry it from my cold, dead
hands, and even then it'll be after a fight.

Phil

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The Onza is damn pretty. I voted for the pretty one.

I'm saving up for the Nimbus 26 myself. I noticed you're
definitely going for a 24". Is that recommended over the
larger 26? I was thinking it wouldn't make a bad 'round town
commuter in the off season, eh?

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Ok Splined hubs are good but you can beat the hell out of
square tapered hubs for a while and they will hold up just
fine. People have used them for years with no problems.

Before you drop $500 on a uni think about a few things How
much do you weigh? How big of drops are you doing right now?

How big are you going to go in a year?

Most people only do drops under 3 feet. Even then that is
still big when your flying down a trail. If you dont believe
me find a trail in your area and drop it on your current
ride going at speed. For the average person they dont need a
splined hub because they will never put thier uni through
the abuse that will break hubs.

The Nibus frame is plenty strong, I have one and so do alot
of other riders that beat the [censored] out of unicycles. I dont
think I've ever heard of anyone breaking a frame with out
running it over with their car.

As far as tires go I agree with Jag, although I have a Gazz
tire on my current set up they cost alot and their are good
alternatives for them that will ride better on most stuff.
Having a 3" tire does help with some stuff but a 2.6 isnt
bad either and will be alot lighter so you can huck it
arround easier.

Spending alot on your first unicycle should only be done if
your sure its something you are going to do to balance out
the cost. In my opinion upgrading is better than buying an
expencive kit that your not toatally sure if you like/ need
all the parts. When you upgrade you can find out the stuff
you like better and what you dont and purchase things based
on that with experience.

I think you should get the Nimbus 24" Save your money and
upgrade as you find out what you like. If you want to make
the jump to a splined crankset do it when you know your
going to use it and need it.

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Chex took the words right out of my mouth. I ride muni with
a square tapered hub. the only time i wanted a splined was
when doing urban trials (until three weeks ago i only had
the muni). now that i have a trials (onza, which rocks) i
have no need for a splined on the muni. unless you are in
vancouver or some place like that where you have the chance
to do monstruous drops on an average trial, you won't regret
the square tapered. i chose the OTHER category. i have

miyata airseat yuni 26" frame nimbus x cranks bulletproof
pedals suzue, alex dx32 wheelset from uni.com

the only thing i would want to upgrade is a brake and the
frame. i can definitely feel the flexiness of the yuni. the
prob is that the next best frame is hundreds and hundreds of
dollars. a brake would be cool but i am fine without it.

the kh and onzas are great deals but you can save 250-300 by
getting the nimbus or OTHER

PS i recommend the miyata airseat for muni, especially if
you go on long rides that contain some monotonous,
untechnical parts. your butt will thank you.

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AAHHHH YOU PEOPLE!! I only had a few responses and thought
"Hey, I'll save up for the KH" Now though, you all are like
either NO KH BLOWS or MY ONZA IS SO SHINY AND BEAUTIFUL or
DONT SPEND MONEY, UPGRADE!

AHH WHAT DO I DO!

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Okay, well I do wanna go with either the KH or Onza. Thats
for sure. But which one? Does anyone know if one is
noticably stronger or noticably more durable and will last
longer? Is one over priced? Under priced? I know about the
looks for each, i have seen them so thats not a huge factor
to me...they both come with brake bosses. I dont know much
about their strength and so thats what i need to hear about.
The only drawback i see with the onza is the smaller tire
which from what i hear from a lot of people makes a big
difference. So if i were to upgrade to 3'' its going to come
down to about the same price no matter which one i got with.
Any suggestions again?

I'm baffled.

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To add to your comfusion, consider do you need a splined
hub. I have been riding for many years on a Suzue hub and
have never broken it. And I do do muni, as I aways quote
I am an okish rider and I don't just play around on mine,
I have clocked up some serious miles on it and never
broken it.

Confused?

I always advise buy the machine most suitable for what you
are going to do with it. If you are doing lots of jumping
then get a splined hub, if not consider square taper one.
Both the Onza and KH 24 are good unicycles, neither are
perfect but are good value. The Onza is lighter, the KH
comes ready for brakes (you need a new seatpost for the
Onza) and has the bigger tyre, really I think these are the
main differences.

Hope this helps.

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kh or onza

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the kh hub and cranks
are stronger but the onza is lighter. but dont forget, both
are light and both are incredibly strong.

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fluffinator007 said:

*AAHHHH YOU PEOPLE!! I only had a few responses and
thought "Hey, I'll save up for the KH" Now though, you all
are like either NO KH BLOWS or MY ONZA IS SO SHINY AND
BEAUTIFUL or DONT SPEND MONEY, UPGRADE!

AHH WHAT DO I DO! *

isnt this why you made it a poll? go with the poll...!

heres a thought,you already have a Summit so why not keep it
simple and get the KH...after all it has the same type of
splined cranks so you already know what to expect there and
the added bonus would be getting to put the Summit 140's on
the KH24 somday for a faster ride/experiment...

stop beating the desk and order a KH,its the
logical/functional thing to
do.

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So with the "March Batch" of KH24's you dont think
unicycle.com will be shippin out the akwardly shaped/sized
framed ones that were complained about above and in some
other threads? I would order it now but i have to wait til
march, but hey its right around the corner.

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I think the KH24" pro would be a good option, or the Taiwan version is
pretty awesome too. A few of my friends have them (Taiwan ones) and I
think they are well worth it, especially with the brake and Gazz.
Gazzaloddi tires ride well on pavements and mud, as do the Duro, but it
is cheaper to get the Gazz seperately. The Duro is worth more than $4,
which is the difference between upgrading yourself or having them do it
(you don't get a Duro if you upgrade to Gazz with your uni purchase).
May as well get the 'steel cables'
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since they are offering them. I just noticed that the KH 24" is listed
in the 'expert' (tinyurl.com2khp8Open ↗) offroad section of
Unicycle.com and the Onza is classified as 'intermediate'
(tinyurl.com2khp8Open ↗). Seems that Unicycle.com thinks the KH24" is
better.

Checkernuts said:

*Most people only do drops under 3 feet. Even then that is
still big when your flying down a trail. If you dont
believe me find a trail in your area and drop it on your
current ride going at speed. For the average person they
dont need a splined hub because they will never put thier
uni through the abuse that will break hubs.*

I disagree with this. I am an average person, I don't weigh
much, and I need the splines. I've broken both sides off a
square taper hub, but it wasn't hardened like a suzue or a
Unicycle.com ChroMoly hub. I wasn't doing drops over 3 feet,
but repeated drops and stair riding caused the axle to
fracture and eventually break. My cranks used to bend
sometimes too, and splined hubs come with stronger cranks
than square taper hubs.

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Rowan said:

*Gazzaloddi tires ride well on pavements and mud,....... *

no freakin way,,not in the North West....

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So gazz tires do not ride on pavement/mud too well? Then why
are they so sought after i wonder? As for the brake cables.
I have no need for a brake that i know of at my current
skill level. Perhaps one day I'll realize that i need them
but i think it would be about the same price to get them
either way so I dont see the need to get them with the
unicycle. I will most likely just get the base KH24. The KH
PRO is a bit tooooo expensive for myself.

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