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  1. Klin Wochenschr. 1979 Nov 2;57(21):1153-61. Related Articles, Links

    Hemodilution (HD) in patients with ischemic skin ulcers.

    Rieger H, Kohler M, Schoop W, Schmid-Schonbein H, Roth
    FJ, Leyhe A.

    In 25 patients with arterial occlusive disease in the
    clinical stage IV according to Fontaine a hemodilution down
    to an average hematocrit value of .31 +/- 0.02 was
    performed. Eighteen patients had peripheral ulcers of the
    lower limbs and 3 patients had ulcers of the upper ones.
    Four patients had tissular lesions both at the level of the
    feet and toes and hand and fingers. The average age of the
    patients was 43. Hemodilution was achieved by repeated
    withdrawals of approx. 500 ml blood, followed by reinfusion
    of the autologous plasma associated with infusion of
    substitutive solutions of low-molecular weight dextran to
    avoid hypovolemia. In all patients with peripheral ulcers of
    the upper limbs, with no exception, a good to a very good
    clinical effect was obtained ranging from extended to
    complete healing. The healing tendency of lesions in the
    feet and toe region was on the whole less marked and
    depended basically on the total number of vascular
    impediments found in one patient. The rheological and
    hemodynamic mechanism of the therapeutic effect of
    hemodilution, the preliminary criteria for indicating this
    therapy and its observed complications are discussed.

    PMID: 513607 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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  2. And what exactly are we to make of this, how does it relate
    to any body of theory, to what practical use is it, and to
    what goal can it be useful? Without this information it is
    but another random abstract plucked from the web, one among
    thousands of such.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: festering skin ulcers / bloodletting

    Klin Wochenschr. 1979 Nov 2;57(21):1153-61. Related
    Articles, Links

    Hemodilution (HD) in patients with ischemic skin ulcers.

    Rieger H, Kohler M, Schoop W, Schmid-Schonbein H, Roth
    FJ, Leyhe A.

    In 25 patients with arterial occlusive disease in the
    clinical stage IV according to Fontaine a hemodilution down
    to an average hematocrit value of .31 +/- 0.02 was
    performed. Eighteen patients had peripheral ulcers of the
    lower limbs and 3 patients had ulcers of the upper ones.
    Four patients had tissular lesions both at the level of the
    feet and toes and hand and fingers. The average age of the
    patients was 43. Hemodilution was achieved by repeated
    withdrawals of approx. 500 ml blood, followed by reinfusion
    of the autologous plasma associated with infusion of
    substitutive solutions of low-molecular weight dextran to
    avoid hypovolemia. In all patients with peripheral ulcers of
    the upper limbs, with no exception, a good to a very good
    clinical effect was obtained ranging from extended to
    complete healing. The healing tendency of lesions in the
    feet and toe region was on the whole less marked and
    depended basically on the total number of vascular
    impediments found in one patient. The rheological and
    hemodynamic mechanism of the therapeutic effect of
    hemodilution, the preliminary criteria for indicating this
    therapy and its observed complications are discussed.

    PMID: 513607 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    ------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------
    ------

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    And what exactly are we to make of this, how does it relate
    to any body of theory, to what practical use is it, and to
    what goal can it be useful? Without this information it is
    but another random abstract plucked from the web, one among
    thousands of such.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: festering skin ulcers / bloodletting

    Quoted message said:

    And what exactly are we to make of this, how does it relate
    to any body of theory, to what practical use is it, and to
    what goal can it be useful? Without this information it is
    but another random abstract plucked from the web, one among
    thousands of such.

    It is called bloodletting ..

    Bloodletting .. is ..good ..

    Klin Wochenschr. 1979 Nov 2;57(21):1153-61. Related
    Articles, Links

    Hemodilution (HD) in patients with ischemic skin ulcers.

    Rieger H, Kohler M, Schoop W, Schmid-Schonbein H, Roth
    FJ, Leyhe A.

    In 25 patients with arterial occlusive disease in the
    clinical stage IV according to Fontaine a hemodilution down
    to an average hematocrit value of .31 +/- 0.02 was
    performed. Eighteen patients had peripheral ulcers of the
    lower limbs and 3 patients had ulcers of the upper ones.
    Four patients had tissular lesions both at the level of the
    feet and toes and hand and fingers. The average age of the
    patients was 43. Hemodilution was achieved by repeated
    withdrawals of approx. 500 ml blood, followed by reinfusion
    of the autologous plasma associated with infusion of
    substitutive solutions of low-molecular weight dextran to
    avoid hypovolemia. In all patients with peripheral ulcers of
    the upper limbs, with no exception, a good to a very good
    clinical effect was obtained ranging from extended to
    complete healing. The healing tendency of lesions in the
    feet and toe region was on the whole less marked and
    depended basically on the total number of vascular
    impediments found in one patient. The rheological and
    hemodynamic mechanism of the therapeutic effect of
    hemodilution, the preliminary criteria for indicating this
    therapy and its observed complications are discussed.

    PMID: 513607 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    ------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------
    ------

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  6. Once upon a time, our fellow [email hidden] rambled on
    about "Re: festering skin ulcers / bloodletting." Our
    champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts,
    thusly ...

    Quoted message said:

    And what exactly are we to make of this?

    I know!

    Mark 'the Toad' is an idiot. 🙁

    Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!

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