E2E ... a first thought ...

elyob said:

OK, I'm a few Monday beers down, and I mentioned that I
want to do the End to End.

I suggested that I would come on here, and see whether
any others would be willing to do this too - on a
tight budget.

I'm looking at getting a couple of weeks off after the
TdF, and carrying my equipment (tent etc). I will be
looking to ride for the Kingston Cancer unit (not built
yet), although would love some company. Though each would
ride for their own reasons.

I will set up a website etc but just want to get to any
idea of anyone else who wants to "just do it".

We could get a whole load of us, and between us we could
make a real event of it. If not, I'll do it myself.
(Anyone able to put me up in their back garden?)

We could do what the UKRM (uk.rec.motorcycling) do, and
set together a ride and a half.

Just an idea, but if I don't do it this year, I'll
struggle to get the enthusiasm to do it again.

Nick Boyle

I am doing E2E this year, starting the same day as Le
Tour. Doing it in 2 weeks for some Cancer Charity and
RNLI, hostels and B&B. My back garden is available to
you in Leeds.

If anyone else wants to help me with my trip please get in
touch, offers of accommodation will be especially welcome.

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"elyob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OK, I'm a few Monday beers down, and I mentioned that I
want to do the End to End.

I suggested that I would come on here, and see whether
any others would be willing to do this too - on a
tight budget.

I'm looking at getting a couple of weeks off after the
TdF, and carrying

my

Quoted message said:

equipment (tent etc). I will be looking to ride for the
Kingston Cancer unit (not built yet), although would love
some company. Though each would ride for their own
reasons.

I will set up a website etc but just want to get to any
idea of anyone

else

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who wants to "just do it".

Hmm - I've _always_ wanted to do the E2E, but finding the
time has always been impossible. It could be nice to do in
company although I'd be more looking to stay in hostels
rather than carrying a tent! I wouldn't do it for charity -
too much hassle and I don't have a wide enough circle of
friends and relatives to touch!

Still, I'll think about this - post the updates!

Rich

I'm going to be doing it this year, with a friend of mine.

Due to various reasons, we'll be doing it during September.
Middle of the month, probably

Exact details to be discussed (tonight, actually), but B & B
/ hostels, I think.

I'm even allowed to buy a new bike for the attempt!

Not sure how that fits in with other people's plans...

Mark

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:28:42 GMT, "elyob" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

I'm planning to make the attempt again during the last two
weeks of July and first week of August - three weeks
camping, no hostels or other form of cheating.

The biggest problem I had last time (if you don't include
getting the [censored]) was dew on the tent. In the humid
heatwave last year getting the tent dry each morning
before packing away took ages and often I couldn't get
going until 11am.

The other mistake I made was spending too much time on main
roads and away from the hills. The best bits were the hills,
Exmoor and the hills on the Welsh Border. My plan this time
is to take in Bodmin Moor, Dartmoor, Exmoor, Black
Mountains, Radnor Forest then across to the Peak District,
Wadsworth Moor, The Dales, N. Yorks Moors, Kielder Forest,
Cheviots, Campsie Fells and then up and over the Eastern
Highlands - trying to keep out of the Midge Zone.

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:28:42 GMT, "elyob"
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........ no hostels or other form of cheating.

So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:28:42 GMT, "elyob"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

I'm planning to make the attempt again during the last two
weeks of July and first week of August - three weeks
camping, no hostels or other form of cheating.

Oh I'll be cheating. Camping. YHAing, B&Bing, Bus-
Sheltering, and once a week I'm checking in to a decent
hotel. I'm going to take approx 5-6 weeks for it for two
reasons: 1) So I can visit many places which are not
necessarily on the direct route. 2) 'Cos it's gotta be
easier than busting a gut to do it in 3 weeks!

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The biggest problem I had last time (if you don't include
getting the [censored]) was dew on the tent. In the humid
heatwave last year getting the tent dry each morning
before packing away took ages and often I couldn't get
going until 11am.

If you are unpacking your tent again the same or following
day then does it matter?

Love and guy-lines from Rich x

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<[email hidden]>, Gonzalez
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The biggest problem I had last time (if you don't include
getting the [censored]) was dew on the tent. In the humid
heatwave last year getting the tent dry each morning
before packing away took ages and often I couldn't get
going until 11am.

If you are unpacking your tent again the same or following
day then does it matter?

My question exactly.

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:20:22 -0000, "MSeries" <[email hidden]>

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other form of cheating.

So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

Hmmm... That remark of mine was a bit trollish, wasn't it. I
knew it would bait one or two people.

Richard Bates said:

If you are unpacking your tent again the same or following
day then does it matter?

Not if it's once in a while - but it ain't going to do any
favours to a £300 lightweight tent to pack it damp every day
for 2 or three weeks.

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Richard Bates said:

If you are unpacking your tent again the same or following
day then does it matter?

Not if it's once in a while - but it ain't going to do any
favours to a £300 lightweight tent to pack it damp every
day for 2 or three weeks.

I really don't think it's going to matter at all to modern
tent with nylon flysheet etc., esp. as it will be pitched
again later that day. Certainly my Spacepacker ( has never
complained about that sort of treatment. - cotton is a bit
different of course. If you can be arsed you can use a small
sponge to remove some of the dew.

If you really are bothered, then stop a bit later on and
spread it out on the verge, over a picnic table, the bike
etc., it will soon dry out while you have a cuppa or
whatever. Even if you spend a bit longer on the break (2
cuppas and an extra tea cake....) you gain the benefit of
starting off much earlier.
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Chris French, Leeds

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:46:41 +0000, in
<[email hidden]>, Gonzalez
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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The biggest problem I had last time (if you don't
include getting the [censored]) was dew on the tent. In the
humid heatwave last year getting the tent dry each
morning before packing away took ages and often I
couldn't get going until 11am.

If you are unpacking your tent again the same or
following day then does it matter?

My question exactly.

I have packed up really wet tents without harm. Separate
inner from outer, pack separately, keep inner tent dry and
pitch ASAP on reaching next campsite. The important point is
to clean and dry all the gear before long-term storage.

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Gonzalez said:

Richard Bates said:

If you are unpacking your tent again the same or
following day then does it matter?

Not if it's once in a while - but it ain't going to do any
favours to a £300 lightweight tent to pack it damp every
day for 2 or three weeks.

My Spacepacker and my 6-person Galaxy have undergone such
treatment with no problems whatsoever for many years.

It is always best to keep the inner dry - easy if you have
an outer first pitching tent - and to give the outer a bit
of a shake. The inner can then be packed away seperately,
perhaps in a pannier while the outer is best kept away from
anything dry. I keep the outer on top of the rear rack.

Main drawback of a wet tent on an extended trip is the extra
weight of the water :-(

John B

JohnB said:

Gonzalez said:

Richard Bates said:

If you are unpacking your tent again the same or
following day then does it matter?

Not if it's once in a while - but it ain't going to do
any favours to a £300 lightweight tent to pack it damp
every day for 2 or three weeks.

My Spacepacker and my 6-person Galaxy have undergone such
treatment with no problems whatsoever for many years.

It is always best to keep the inner dry - easy if you have
an outer first pitching tent - and to give the outer a bit
of a shake. The inner can then be packed away seperately,
perhaps in a pannier while the outer is best kept away from
anything dry. I keep the outer on top of the rear rack.

Pannier space is at a premium for me on a long tour. Of
course I have packed the tent while still damp on many
occasions, but I still contend that a tent packed damp for
several days in the trot will soon deteriorate the
waterproofing, the fabric and the seams. J-cloths are best
for the removal of excess dew and condensation, but do not
remove all the moisture; a tent will still take a good
long time to dry on a warm, humid morning. My tent is an
extremely lightweight mountain tent, about 2Kg, but of
good quality:

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Main drawback of a wet tent on an extended trip is the
extra weight of the water :-(

Last summer I was often carrying three litres, an extra
fluid ounce or two would make little difference.

Ambrose Nankivell said:

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Quoted message said:

The biggest problem I had last time (if you don't include
getting the [censored]) was dew on the tent. In the humid
heatwave last year getting the tent dry each morning
before packing away took ages and often I couldn't get
going until 11am.

If you are unpacking your tent again the same or following
day then does it matter?

My question exactly.

When we rode across America, unsupported & self sufficient,
we didn't worry about packing the tent up whilst it was wet.
Later that day, once errected it soon dried out.

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MSeries said:

Gonzalez said:

........ no hostels or other form of cheating.

So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

Or living off the land:

First catch your pheasant / rabbit / sheep / root
vegetable...

:-)

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Dave Larrington said:

MSeries said:

Gonzalez said:

........ no hostels or other form of cheating.

So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

Or living off the land:

First catch your pheasant / rabbit / sheep / root
vegetable...

:-)

So roadkill is out then too !

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:28:42 GMT, "elyob"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

........ no hostels or other form of cheating.

So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

For water he can just use the dew on the tent.

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MSeries said:

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other form of cheating.

So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

Hmmm... That remark of mine was a bit trollish, wasn't it.
I knew it would bait one or two people.

I know a few cyclists who think that doing it on anything
other than a fixed-gear would be cheating.

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MSeries said:

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other form of cheating.

So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

Hmmm... That remark of mine was a bit trollish, wasn't it.
I knew it would bait one or two people.

I know a few cyclists who think that doing it on anything
other than a fixed-gear would be cheating.