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(Dave Kahn) said:

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:28:42 GMT, "elyob"
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........ no hostels or other form of cheating.

So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

For water he can just use the dew on the tent.

And recycle the condensation on the inside - yummy yum...

Gonzalez said:

On 10 Mar 2004 04:14:28 -0800, [email hidden] (Dave

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"MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
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> On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:28:42 GMT, "elyob"
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> ........ no hostels or other form of cheating.
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So you'll be carrying ALL food and water too. :-)

For water he can just use the dew on the tent.

And recycle the condensation on the inside - yummy yum...

Which attracts the slugs :-)

And don't forget the protein that will be lurking under the
groundsheet in the morning. Slurp.

John B

MSeries <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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When we rode across America, unsupported & self
sufficient...

"self sufficient"? Is this what is meant by eco-tourism?

V.

On 10 Mar 2004 12:48:02 -0800, [email hidden] (Vince) wrote
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Norfolk is miles from anywhere and everywhere.

It's everywhere and nowhere baby That's where it's at Going
down a bumpy hillside In it's hippy hat...

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On 10/3/04 6:48 am, in article [email hidden],

Gonzalez said:

Of course I have packed the tent while still damp on many
occasions, but I still contend that a tent packed damp for
several days in the trot will soon deteriorate the
waterproofing, the fabric and the seams.

Why should it be any worse than using the tent and leaving
it up? In fact I can think of a reason or two to NOT dry
the tent if you are going to be re-pitching it later in the
day. I cannot see how normal water will damage a tent over
the course of a day packed into a bag in any significant
way at all.

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J-cloths are best for the removal of excess dew and
condensation, but do not remove all the moisture; a tent
will still take a good long time to dry on a warm, humid
morning. My tent is an extremely lightweight mountain
tent, about 2Kg, but of good quality:

And if anyone comes across a wild country Trisar with
DMAM written in big letters on the fly, please pack it up
and post it to me. It was stolen from my car about ten
years ago.

..d

Vince said:

MSeries <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
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When we rode across America, unsupported & self
sufficient...

"self sufficient"? Is this what is meant by eco-tourism?

V.

by self sufficient in this context I mean we carried a tent.
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Vince said:

MSeries said:

When we rode across America, unsupported & self
sufficient...

"self sufficient"? Is this what is meant by eco-tourism?

"The Good Life Roadshow"?

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David Martin said:

On 10/3/04 6:48 am, in article
[email hidden], "Gonzalez"

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Of course I have packed the tent while still damp on many
occasions, but I still contend that a tent packed damp
for several days in the trot will soon deteriorate the
waterproofing, the fabric and the seams.

Why should it be any worse than using the tent and leaving
it up? In fact I can think of a reason or two to NOT dry
the tent if you are going to be re-pitching it later in the
day. I cannot see how normal water will damage a tent over
the course of a day packed into a bag in any significant
way at all.

One day would not make any significant difference; indeed, I
can and do regularly pack my tent wet for the odd day. It's
packing it damp for many days on the trot which concerns me.

Gonzalez said:

One day would not make any significant difference; indeed,
I can and do regularly pack my tent wet for the odd day.
It's packing it damp for many days on the trot which
concerns me.

I don't really see it's *that* much of a problem, at least
on a quality tent. Aside from the inner maybe getting a
little damp from contact in the stuffsack it shouldn't
affect performance, and most of that is got round by folding
carefully when under cover (which is no problem if you have
a sensible tent that pitches fly first or all in one).

Bad idea to pack it wet for long term storage as any crumbs
or whatever may mutate horribly, but other than that, what's
the problem? A good tent with a silicone elastomer coating
can practically be shaken dry to a significant degree in any
case, and it won't actually *hold* water in the fabric.

Methinks you're being a tad over protective of it.

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Gonzalez said:

One day would not make any significant difference; indeed,
I can and do regularly pack my tent wet for the odd day.
It's packing it damp for many days on the trot which
concerns me.

But it gets aired every day and the water 'changed'. So it's
not as though any mildew or other nasties are going to get
any chance to attack the fabric. Simply being wet isn't
going to do the tent fabric any harm at all if it's a
quality tent. I've got a North face Tadpole that's done me
sterling service for ten years which has had many trips
where it's been treated in just such a manner. In fact I
left it wet by 'accident' (I forgot about it) in it's stuff
sack for about three weeks once, it didn't seem to do any
damage at all. It's still in very good condition.

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my 6-person Galaxy

I didn't know Dawes made 'em that big?

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Peter Clinch said:

Methinks you're being a tad over protective of it.

OK - so maybe I am being over protective. Still, it's a good
excuse to have a lie in.

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Gonzalez <[email hidden]> writes

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Peter Clinch said:

Methinks you're being a tad over protective of it.

OK - so maybe I am being over protective. Still, it's a
good excuse to have a lie in.

That's more like it, though I don't find any need for an
excuse for this. :-)

just a another quick brew.......
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Richard Goodman said:

I wouldn't do it for charity - too much hassle and I
don't have a wide enough circle of friends and relatives
to touch!

That's why local papers were invented!

d.

chris French said:

If you can be arsed you can use a small sponge to remove
some of the dew.

Or use a T-shirt borrowed off a nearby washing line (there
are always at least a few people on campsites who leave
their washing out overnight - the fools) then put it back on
the line and scoot before the owner wakes up.

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If you really are bothered, then stop a bit later on and
spread it out on the verge, over a picnic table, the bike
etc., it will soon dry out while you have a cuppa or
whatever.

Sounds like excellent advice to me.

d.

Dave Larrington wrote;

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"The Good Life Roadshow"?

Sharing a tent with Felicity Kendall? Mmmmmm...

d.

Mark Thompson said:

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my 6-person Galaxy

I didn't know Dawes made 'em that big?

LOL

John B

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Sharing a tent with Felicity Kendall? Mmmmmm...

BTDT.

Or more correctly, with Felicity Chapman, née Kendall.

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Sharing a tent with Felicity Kendall? Mmmmmm...

BTDT.

Or more correctly, with Felicity Chapman, née Kendall.

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