OT: typical, just typical

On 2004-03-03, Merlin penned:

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well, just when I think I have gotten my life on track, it all gets

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to lie to get into the army, there is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge from
the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it will stab
you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

moral of the story, courtesy of Mark Twain: "If you don't lie, you don't have to remember anything."

Second moral: Never compromise your own integrity.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

--
monique

Merlin said:

torn away from me. all because a certain somebody instructed me to lie to get into the army, there
is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge from
the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it will stab
you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

~soon to be ex-PVT Travis

"remember these three words when you go to MEPS, 'No, Never, and None'."

Uh, Travis, who was that "certain somebody" and why did they tell you to lie? Wh t in specific did
you fudge the details on? Despite what some on this board may indicate, I'd say that the majority of
us who frequent this board really do want things to work out for you. Do what you can to make it
right, Travis. Do what you can.

Miles

Merlin said:

well, just when I think I have gotten my life on track, it all gets

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me to lie to get into the army, there is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge from
the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it will stab
you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

~soon to be ex-PVT Travis

"remember these three words when you go to MEPS, 'No, Never, and None'."

Stop playing the victim, Travis, and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your life. No one made you do anything.
Tell the truth, and whatever happens happens.

Why are you sharing your "private life" (no pun intended any longer, perhaps) with a bunch of
faceless yahoos on Usenet? It just opens you up to abuse from mean-spirited losers, and fosters your
low self-esteem. (That's your parents' job, anyway 🙂

Drop the rock, son.

Bill "growing up sucks; deal with it" S.

"Monique Y. Herman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 2004-03-03, Merlin penned:

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well, just when I think I have gotten my life on track, it all gets

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to lie to get into the army, there is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge
from the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it
will stab you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

moral of the story, courtesy of Mark Twain: "If you don't lie, you don't have to remember
anything."

Second moral: Never compromise your own integrity.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

--
monique

Merlin said:

"Monique Y. Herman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 2004-03-03, Merlin penned:

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well, just when I think I have gotten my life on track, it all gets

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me to lie to get into the army, there is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge
from the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it
will stab you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

moral of the story, courtesy of Mark Twain: "If you don't lie, you don't have to remember
anything."

Second moral: Never compromise your own integrity.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

--
monique

Assuming this is really Travis and not a troll (who isn't Travis):

She speaks the truth, and apparently it hurts. Monique's reply will likely be one of the more
sympathetic and well-meaning ones you're likely to get here. Now you're just acting like a baby.
Grow up and take some responsibility for yourself.

I honestly hope you find yourself and get on track. Good luck.

Matt

PS you should apologize too

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Merlin said:

well, just when I think I have gotten my life on track, it all gets

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torn away from me. all because a certain somebody instructed me to lie

to

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get into the army, there is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge
from the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it
will stab you in the

back.

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moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be

violated".

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~soon to be ex-PVT Travis

"remember these three words when you go to MEPS, 'No, Never, and None'."

Uh, Travis, who was that "certain somebody"

my recruiter

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and why did they tell you to lie?

to make things "run smoother"

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Wh t in specific did you fudge the details on?

"have you ever had any trouble with the law, or any agency?" I have a pending enditement for
something I did 2 years ago. it was classified as "trafficking contraband", and I'll leave
it at that.

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Despite what some on this board may indicate, I'd say that the majority of us who frequent this
board really do want things to work out for you. Do what you can to make it right, Travis. Do what
you can.

it is unfortunately completely out of my hands. as I was writing this, I got a call from above
mentioned recruiter that I have in fact been discharged from the army, pending the outcome of the
enditement.

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Merlin said:

well, just when I think I have gotten my life on track, it all gets

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me to lie to get into the army, there is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge
from the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it
will stab you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

~soon to be ex-PVT Travis

"remember these three words when you go to MEPS, 'No, Never, and None'."

Stop playing the victim, Travis, and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your life.

No

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one made you do anything. Tell the truth, and whatever happens happens.

uh, actually, yes. my recruiter did coerce me to lie. Portland to Farmington is a very long walk.

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Why are you sharing your "private life" (no pun intended any longer, perhaps) with a bunch of
faceless yahoos on Usenet? It just opens you up

to

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abuse from mean-spirited losers, and fosters your low self-esteem.

(That's

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your parents' job, anyway 🙂

why? because at this point, I couldn't care less. and there are aspects of my life that are pretty
much private. mainly because they were mentioned a while ago, and either it was forgotten, or nobody
thought it was the truth.

and besides, my low self-esteem needs no fuel from "faceless yahoos" to burn out of control. think
of it as the equivalent of adding a tooth-pick to a bonfire.

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PS you should apologize too

right, like my recruiter apologized for making things much worse for me.

Merlin said:

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PS you should apologize too

right, like my recruiter apologized for making things much worse for
me.

Just because other people don't do the right thing doesn't mean you shouldn't either.

I was actually referring to Monique. From my experience, that seems to be about the nastiest thing
you can call a woman (still not sure EXACTLY why, but that's another matter). I don't think she
deserved it.

Reading your other responses, it looks like maybe you were mislead. Make sure the authorities know
that this was the case. Come clean with everything. Worst case is you'll still be in the same
situation.

Matt

"Merlin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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torn away from me. all because a certain somebody instructed me to lie to get into the army, there
is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge from
the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it will stab
you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

~soon to be ex-PVT Travis

Your subject - "typical, just typical" - reflects not the recent events but your response to them.
YOU were the one busted for (what apparently is) drug trafficking/possession/dealing, and YOU
compromised yourself by lying. It was the Army that put its trust in you - you say "trust the
systems [sic] and it will stab you in the back" yet you were the one that lied to gain admission
into the Army. Too often those that cause the problems act as the wronged party. Understand wherein
the errors lie, and understand who is truly at fault.

And, after your response to Monique, I think anyone who would have wished

Seriously, an administration desperate for war all over the world needs all the help it can get,
especially in the face of the highest suicide rate among serviceman in US history...and they kicked
you out? Wow. Nice work.

Chris (has a killer job, academic honors at a major university, a hot girlfriend, a badass bike, and
a new car. See what can happen when you don't deal drugs or lie to people?)

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Merlin said:

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PS you should apologize too

right, like my recruiter apologized for making things much worse for
me.

Just because other people don't do the right thing doesn't mean you shouldn't either.

I was actually referring to Monique. From my experience, that seems to be about the nastiest thing
you can call a woman (still not sure EXACTLY why, but that's another matter). I don't think she
deserved it.

after having time to cool down, I realize that it was harsh, and I do apologize. I was so [censored]
at the situation that I was quick to temper.

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Reading your other responses, it looks like maybe you were mislead. Make sure the authorities know
that this was the case. Come clean with everything. Worst case is you'll still be in the same
situation.

no, worst case is I may end up in Leavenworth. not sure why, but that's the direction my luck is
running lately.

~Travis

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I was actually referring to Monique. From my experience, that seems to be about the nastiest thing
you can call a woman (still not sure EXACTLY why, but that's another matter). I don't think she
deserved it.

I was always under the impression that the worst thing you could say to a woman was 'You're just
like your mother' 😉

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"Merlin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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well, just when I think I have gotten my life on track, it all gets

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torn away from me. all because a certain somebody instructed me to lie

to

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get into the army, there is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge
from the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it
will stab you in the

back.

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moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be

violated".

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~soon to be ex-PVT Travis

Your subject - "typical, just typical" - reflects not the recent events

but

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your response to them. YOU were the one busted for (what apparently is) drug
trafficking/possession/dealing, and YOU compromised yourself by

lying.

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It was the Army that put its trust in you - you say "trust the systems

[sic]

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and it will stab you in the back" yet you were the one that lied to gain admission into the Army.
Too often those that cause the problems act as

the

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wronged party. Understand wherein the errors lie, and understand who is truly at fault.

And, after your response to Monique, I think anyone who would have wished

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Seriously, an administration desperate for war all over the world needs

all

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the help it can get, especially in the face of the highest suicide rate among serviceman in US
history...and they kicked you out? Wow. Nice

work.

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Chris (has a killer job, academic honors at a major university, a hot

girlfriend,

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a badass bike, and a new car. See what can happen when you don't deal

drugs

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or lie to people?)

who said anything about drugs? I have never, nor will I ever take, deal, or otherwise traffic drugs.

~Travis

Merlin said:

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PS you should apologize too

right, like my recruiter apologized for making things much worse for me.

I don't wish to rub your nose in it, but you're not stupid Travis. You were aware that you were
taking a calculated risk based on the advice you were given. You must have realised that this would
be a possibility.

Redirecting the anger that you feel for losing out on that gamble and for your 'trafficking
contraband' offence is not going to win you any sympathy. Pick yourself up and start again.

Good luck.

On 2004-03-03, Merlin penned:

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after having time to cool down, I realize that it was harsh, and I do apologize. I was so [censored]
off at the situation that I was quick to temper.

Thank you.

--
monique

Merlin said:

torn away from me. all because a certain somebody instructed me to lie to get into the army, there
is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge from
the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it will stab
you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

~soon to be ex-PVT Travis

"remember these three words when you go to MEPS, 'No, Never, and None'."

I won the pool. I chose that Travis wouldn't even make it to basic training.

Your BS is getting old. Grow up. Quit lying.

Greg

On 2004-03-03, bomba penned:

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MattB said:

I was actually referring to Monique. From my experience, that seems to be about the nastiest
thing you can call a woman (still not sure EXACTLY why, but that's another matter). I don't think
she deserved
it.

I was always under the impression that the worst thing you could say to a woman was 'You're just
like your mother' 😉

Heh.

I thought it was, 'Yes, you look fat in that dress.'

Matt, the reason that I think the "nastiest term" is so nasty is because it metaphorically reduces a
woman to her privates. The essence of using that insult is, "This woman is so useless that the only
thing she's good for is providing men with pleasure and making babies."

For whatever reason, reducing a guy down to his privates doesn't generally have quite the same
emotional effect. Perhaps because, no matter the negative connotation, they're still associated with
power and virility?

Just my take, though.

--
monique

Monique Y. Herman said:

On 2004-03-03, Merlin penned:

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after having time to cool down, I realize that it was harsh, and I do apologize. I was so [censored]
off at the situation that I was quick to temper.

Thank you.

You should have waited until after he mailbombs you. Then you'd realize his apology wasn't sincere.

Greg

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On 2004-03-03, Merlin penned:

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well, just when I think I have gotten my life on track, it all gets

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to lie to get into the army, there is a good chance I will be discharged.

so lets see, [censored] employment record (2 jobs within 8 months), and a dishonorable discharge
from the army. oh yeah, that makes me a prime employment candidate. trust the systems and it
will stab you in the back.

moral of the story, "trust nobody, and your trust will never be violated".

moral of the story, courtesy of Mark Twain: "If you don't lie, you don't have to remember
anything."

Second moral: Never compromise your own integrity.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

--
monique

I tried to lie to a polygrapher once................ In my line of work that's a Bad Idea (tm).
After two times I came clean and made it through.

Since then I've taken dozens of polys with no problems. Twain had it going on.

Marty