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Dot dot.h@#att.net said:

Hmmm, mine (Excel 2000) has Data - Get External Data - then 3 types of queries or import text file.
I can browse under "all files", but I think it'll assume the file is text. .xml or markup aren't in
the help sections either. Access (where my log book is) didn't have it either. But both WordPerfect
(where I thought I had seen it) and Quattro seem to recognize it. I don't have a unit or xml file,
but have been looking at the forerunner and evaluating what it can/cannot do. Thanks.

Dot

OpenOffice (www.openoffice.org) uses .xml as its native file format, so you can open the file in the
word lookallike or the excel lookalike and the data will look the same and not need adjusted. Then
you can save it back out in doc or xlc format, if you really want to, but if you have openoffice why
would you want to screw with MS Office?

For the really adventurous, FileMaker Pro v6 has extensive capabilities of importing XML. So
depending on what data you can get out with FMP you could really massage the hell out of it.

David said:

Dot dot.h@#att.net said:

it'll assume the file is text.

Actually... XML is always stored as plain text... which is what makes it software and hardware
indepenent. So it is a text file. However, XML can have deeply nested parent/child nodes... while
Excel files have just one level of heirarchy... cells within rows... so it would not best the best
software for trying to import XML. Then again... the data from the forerunner is probably pretty
simple. BTW... Internet Explorer 6 has an XML engine built in... so just for fun... try opening
the exported file in IE to see what it looks like 🙂 Also... if you know any programmer types...
they could easily write a query for you to display your data any way you wish in IE with HTML/XSL.

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but if you have openoffice why would you want to screw with MS Office?

Cause Bill needs the money?

-Phil

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For the really adventurous, FileMaker Pro v6 has extensive capabilities of importing XML. So
depending on what data you can get out with FMP

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could really massage the hell out of it.

David said:

Dot dot.h@#att.net said:

it'll assume the file is text.

Actually... XML is always stored as plain text... which is what makes

it

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software and hardware indepenent. So it is a text file. However, XML

can

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have deeply nested parent/child nodes... while Excel files have just

one

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level of heirarchy... cells within rows... so it would not best the

best

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software for trying to import XML. Then again... the data from the forerunner is probably pretty
simple. BTW... Internet Explorer 6 has

an

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XML engine built in... so just for fun... try opening the exported

file

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in IE to see what it looks like 🙂 Also... if you know any programmer types... they could easily
write a query for you to display your data any way you wish in IE with HTML/XSL.

I'm using Excel 2002. It works fine for importing xml.

-Phil

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Dot dot.h@#att.net said:

Hmmm, mine (Excel 2000) has Data - Get External Data - then 3 types of queries or import text
file. I can browse under "all files", but I think it'll assume the file is text. .xml or markup
aren't in the help sections either. Access (where my log book is) didn't have it either. But both
WordPerfect (where I thought I had seen it) and Quattro seem to recognize it. I don't have a unit
or xml file, but have been looking at the forerunner and evaluating what it can/cannot do. Thanks.

Dot

OpenOffice (www.openoffice.org) uses .xml as its native file format, so you can open the file in
the word lookallike or the excel lookalike and the data will look the same and not need adjusted.
Then you can

xml is not *a* file format, it is a standard for defining file formats. To put it really briefly,
all xml says is that the document should have html- like <example>angle-bracket</example> tags. You
can invent your own tags, and there's a formal syntax for telling xml parsers what tags are allowed
in what order etc.

What XML does *NOT* do is impose any specific meaning on the tag. So I could write an xml spec that
defined a <foo> tag, and a <bar> tag, that says that the document must consist of a foo tag and
several nested bar tags that can contain text -- but this doesn't help you understand what the bar
tag actually means. In this specific example, Open Office does not know what the tags that Garmin
uses mean (though an intelligent programmer could no doubt work out what the tags mean by scanning
ne of these files). Open Office uses its own XML spec and knows how to interpret that.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

I think this happens when the unit is trying to track satellites. I get this error about 50% of
the time. Try hiding the watch under a couch cushion or something while you are downloading. It
worked for me??

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I am having this problem too anyone find a the answer?

My Forerunner hangs after 2% of lap download in logbook software and the communication ends, every
time! After this Forerunner does not respond to any key presses and has to be waken up by doing
reset (reset + power button). Have updated the firmware to 3.0 already before first try.

That all being said (and an excellent summary btw)... one of the main benefits of XML is that it can
be 'self-describing' and thus, thoretically, very human-readable... i.e... because I can make up my
own tags to mark up the data... I can do something like this...

<workout id="1"> <lap id="1"> <time>7'33"</time> <averageHR>143 BPM</averageHR> </lap> <lap id="2">
<time>7'27"</time> <averageHR>145 BPM</averageHR> </lap> </workout>

But yah... that's just raw data with made-up tags... you need something more (a parser, xsl, dtd,
'insert geek accroynm here', etc) to make it display in a more meaningful and useful way. It
would be fun to look at one of those Garmin files and see what they look like 🙂 Fun being a
relative term.

Donovan Rebbechi said:

xml is not *a* file format, it is a standard for defining file formats. To put it really briefly,
all xml says is that the document should have html- like <example>angle-bracket</example> tags.
You can invent your own tags, and there's a formal syntax for telling xml parsers what tags are
allowed in what order etc.

What XML does *NOT* do is impose any specific meaning on the tag. So I could write an xml spec
that defined a <foo> tag, and a <bar> tag, that says that the document must consist of a foo tag
and several nested bar tags that can contain text -- but this doesn't help you understand what the
bar tag actually means. In this specific example, Open Office does not know what the tags that
Garmin uses mean (though an intelligent programmer could no doubt work out what the tags mean by
scanning ne of these files). Open Office uses its own XML spec and knows how to interpret that.

--
Nova Scotia, Canada

Phil M. said:

I'm using Excel 2002. It works fine for importing xml.

Oh sure... it'll bring the stuff in... I'm just not sure how Excel would handle an XML file with a
lot of deeply nested nodes.

--
Nova Scotia, Canada

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I think this happens when the unit is trying to track satellites. I get this error about 50% of
the time. Try hiding the watch under a couch cushion or something while you are downloading. It
worked for me??

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I am having this problem too anyone find a the answer?

My Forerunner hangs after 2% of lap download in logbook software and the communication ends,
every time! After this Forerunner does not respond to any key presses and has to be waken up by
doing reset (reset + power button). Have updated the firmware to 3.0 already before first try.

I have had the same problem too and i have the impression that it is related to very short runs or
laps that may have been recorder if you started moving just before pressing the start button. go to
history, by day, and check if there are runs of just a few seconds long. if so, delete these and try
to sync again. for me this worked. hope garmin solves this soon with an update.

David schrieb:

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Oh sure... it'll bring the stuff in... I'm just not sure how Excel would handle an XML file with a
lot of deeply nested nodes.

Well does it? I have made some comments in the Notes field of the logbook software. Consequently my
XML-capable programs seem to refuse to open the file, telling me something about unsupported or
unrecognized characters. Among the programs I tried was Excel as well.

BR

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I think this happens when the unit is trying to track satellites. I get this error about 50% of
the time. Try hiding the watch under a couch cushion or something while you are downloading. It
worked for me??

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I am having this problem too anyone find a the answer?

My Forerunner hangs after 2% of lap download in logbook software and the communication ends,
every time! After this Forerunner does not respond to any key presses and has to be waken up
by doing reset (reset + power button). Have updated the firmware to 3.0 already before first
try.

I have had the same problem too and i have the impression that it is related to very short runs or
laps that may have been recorder if you started moving just before pressing the start button. go
to history, by day, and check if there are runs of just a few seconds long. if so, delete these
and try to sync again. for me this worked. hope garmin solves this soon with an update.

Thanks very much for the tip, the logbook software works now.

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I think this happens when the unit is trying to track satellites. I

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this error about 50% of the time. Try hiding the watch under a couch cushion or something
while you are downloading. It worked for me??

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> I am having this problem too anyone find a the answer?
>
>
> My Forerunner hangs after 2% of lap download in logbook software and the communication ends,
> every time! After this Forerunner does not respond to any key presses and has to be waken up
> by doing reset (reset + power button). Have updated the firmware to 3.0 already before first
> try.

I have had the same problem too and i have the impression that it is related to very short runs
or laps that may have been recorder if you started moving just before pressing the start button.
go to history, by day, and check if there are runs of just a few seconds long. if so, delete
these and try to sync again. for me this worked. hope garmin solves this soon with an update.

Thanks very much for the tip, the logbook software works now.

There's a new update available as of this afternoon.