? for 'puter guys

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(Qui si parla Campagnolo) said:

Okay, for this computer idiot, how does a NG get created?

How does the address get put where ever so I can find it?

Where is it?

Is there a father or mother of each NG?

snowin' out, can't ride.....

Short answer:

rec.* newsgroups get held by creating a Request For Discussion (RFD) and holding a vote, which is
posted to relevant newsgroups (including news.announce.newgroups, a special moderated group for
discussing new groups), and voted on by interested users. If it goes through, the proper authorities
(yes, there are some) send a control message that creates the group.

eyrie.orgbig eight.htmlOpen ↗

alt.* newsgroups are created by anyone. You have to send a special message. The hard part with alt
groups isn't getting them created, it's convincing other news servers to subscribe to and
propagate them. This is because anyone can create an alt group, so there are lots of spurious and
unused alt groups.

faqs.orgalt creation guideOpen ↗

Use this power only for good, never for evil.

But keep in mind all the cool kids are doing blogs instead of newsgroups these days. A bike-shop
blog would seem to be an ideal format for most stores, since you can update it with just a few free
minutes per day, and most of the configuration is automated

To see my clueless test-blog, you can look at: sfu.cawiredcolaOpen ↗

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[email hidden] (Qui si parla Campagnolo) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Okay, for this computer idiot, how does a NG get created?

How does the address get put where ever so I can find it?

Where is it?

Is there a father or mother of each NG?

snowin' out, can't ride.....

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

For a group in the Big 8 (like rec.blah.blah) your best bet is to go to the news group called
"news.groups". There is a process to get groups created and it begins there.. However if you are
looking to create an alt.blah.blah group all you need to do is send a properly formatted message
saying Create alt.blah.blah ... most ISP's don't allow that however. news.groups is the best place
to ask for that as well...

[email hidden] (Qui si parla Campagnolo) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Okay, for this computer idiot, how does a NG get created?

How does the address get put where ever so I can find it?

Where is it?

Is there a father or mother of each NG?

snowin' out, can't ride.....

Peter Chisholm

Dear Peter,

It's snowing down south in Pueblo, too, but I bet that you'd rather read this than any quibbling
about addresses, parents, and so forth:

computer.howstuffworks.comnewsgroup.htmOpen ↗

Carl Fogel

Just in case you were not inundated enough:

web.presby.eduncreate.htmlOpen ↗

Gives a detailed, and fairly clear, description of options, choices and actions.

hope it helps

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mark Outside a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it is too dark to read - Groucho
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Quoted message said:

Okay, for this computer idiot, how does a NG get created?

How does the address get put where ever so I can find it?

Where is it?

Is there a father or mother of each NG?

snowin' out, can't ride.....

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Ryan-<< If it goes through, the proper authorities (yes, there are some) send a control message that
creates the group. >><BR><BR>

Who are dees guys??

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
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Ryan Cousineau said:

But keep in mind all the cool kids are doing blogs instead of newsgroups these days. A bike-shop
blog would seem to be an ideal format for most stores, since you can update it with just a few
free minutes per day, and most of the configuration is automated

Quoted message said:

To see my clueless test-blog, you can look at: sfu.cawiredcolaOpen ↗

What make a blog different than a website. Sure looks like one to me.

Art Harris

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In article <[email hidden]>, Qui si parla Campagnolo

Quoted message said:

Ryan-<< If it goes through, the proper authorities (yes, there are some) send a control message
that creates the group. >><BR><BR>

Who are dees guys??

_ Mostly anybody dumb enough to volunteer, but smart enough to actually make it work. It's an
incredibly thankless job for which you get no pay, lot's of abuse and the respect of a few other
geeks. Basically, the people that run nntp sites have a few sites with trusted admins that they
accept control messages from and there's this funky proposal/discussion/vote scheme they've come
up with to keep the whole thing under control. It's really quite amazing that it works as well
as it does.

_ Read news.groups for a while to see what I mean.

_ Booker C. Benet

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Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:
: What make a blog different than a website. Sure looks like one to me.

i ask eerily similiar questions every single day of my working life.
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david reuteler [email hidden]

Harris said:

What make a blog different than a website. Sure looks like one to me.

It's a type of website (web log).

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Reuteler said:

Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:
: What make a blog different than a website. Sure looks like one to me.

i ask eerily similiar questions every single day of my working life.

The theoretical difference between a weblog and a website is that a blog is a regularly updated site
filled with relatively short comments, usually in blog form. Think of the genre as publically shared
diaries, which gives you a good insight into both the power and the horror that can be blogs.

The practical difference is that a weblog is almost always powered by some tidy background software
that handles all the dirty work of formatting pages, archiving and linking posts. All the blogger
has to do is type in a few stupid comments ("If animals feel pain, then why don't they all cry in
the winter from being cold?"😉, and the software does the dirty but boring work.

This means any fool, including me, can have a blog.

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Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Originally posted by Ryan Cousineau

Quoted message said:

To see my clueless test-blog, you can look at:
http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/

Ryan, I don't care how many bikes you have, where are the paparazzi pix of Fabs?

JLS

Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Ryan-<< If it goes through, the proper authorities (yes, there are some) send a control message
: that creates the group. >><BR><BR>
:
: Who are dees guys??

peter .. go down down the street to CU Boulder and find either the compsci or physics (i'm partial
to the latter) building. walk inside, find a computer lab and look for the hungriest, dirtiest
undergrad you can find who seems to be endowed with cluefulness (this can take experience to
recognize). ask him (very occassionally a she) how much he wants to forge an nntp control message,
specifically you want him to 0wn an nntp server and inject a control message

Subject: cmsg newgroup rec.bicycles.vecchios Control: newgroup rec.bicycles.vecchios

at least that's how it used to be done. i'm old, tho. i'm also too well paid. you want someone
young, poor and very, very hungry. physics students are better at being hungry since they can't get
outside work as easily. even so a lot of newsgroups have humans behind them validating control
messages so it might not go through.

this is your best chance to get a newgroup in rec/misc.
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david reuteler [email hidden]

Ryan Cousineau said:

The practical difference is that a weblog is almost always powered by some tidy background
software that handles all the dirty work of formatting pages, archiving and linking posts. All the
blogger has to do is type in a few stupid comments ("If animals feel pain, then why don't they all
cry in the winter from being cold?"😉

Please don't tell me you actually read that one somewhere.

--
Benjamin Lewis

"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you
underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." --Matt Groening

In article <[email hidden]>,

jlscott3 said:

Originally posted by Ryan Cousinea To see my clueless test-blog, you can look at:
sfu.cawiredcolaOpen ↗

Ryan, I don't care how

Quoted message said:

many bikes you have, where are the paparazzi

pix of Fabs?

JLS

Quoted message said:

--

I've got the digital camera this weekend. So you never know.

More likely to get paparazzi pics of nice antiques this weekend,
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

In article <[email hidden]>,

Benjamin Lewis said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

The practical difference is that a weblog is almost always powered by some tidy background
software that handles all the dirty work of formatting pages, archiving and linking posts. All
the blogger has to do is type in a few stupid comments ("If animals feel pain, then why don't
they all cry in the winter from being cold?"😉

Please don't tell me you actually read that one somewhere.

Sample comment only. Not an actual blog comment.

Animals should know better than to be delicious,
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Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Animals should know better than to be delicious,

on an individual basis. sadly, it's a genetic advantage for the species.
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david reuteler [email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Reuteler said:

Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:
: Animals should know better than to be delicious,

on an individual basis. sadly, it's a genetic advantage for the species.

I'm not sad about it. Us and the cows have a good bargain going on.

"I do not care for dog." -one of my wife's students, on what kind of meat he didn't like.

ObBike: I'm on the ride-lots-and-eat-anything diet. I'm about 154 lbs. and dropping.
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Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:
: I'm not sad about it. Us and the cows have a good bargain going on.

yummmmm, that's a fine cannibalistic herbivore you've got there. nice big helping of BSE (don't mind
me i'm next door to oregon at the moment).

: "I do not care for dog." -one of my wife's students, on what kind of meat he didn't like.

i didn't like dog, either.

: ObBike: I'm on the ride-lots-and-eat-anything diet. I'm about 154 lbs. and dropping.

me, too! tho i'm 175 (6'2"😉 and holding steady .. sure am eating whatever i want, tho. poor dumb
atkin's diet guys at work are sure fun to torment.
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david reuteler [email hidden]