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  1. This is a terrific new site with loads of helpful hints.

    The Longevity Meme is launching a new collaborative weblog: reports from the front line in the
    fight against aging; the science of healthy life extension; activism and advocacy for longer,
    healthier lives.

    fightaging.orgfightaging.org

    You can help us get underway! Bookmark the site, or add us to your RSS newsfeed aggregator. If you
    write in your own weblog on related topics, let us know: we'd be delighted to exchange links.
    Reference our posts, suggest authors, and help get us noticed!

    Reason Founder, Longevity Meme [email hidden] longevitymeme.orglongevitymeme.org

  2. Quoted message said:

    This is a terrific new site with loads of helpful hints.

    The Longevity Meme is launching a new collaborative weblog: reports from the front line in the
    fight against aging; the science of healthy life extension; activism and advocacy for longer,
    healthier lives.

    fightagingscamdiabetics.orgfightagingscamdiabetics.org

    You can help us get underway! Bookmark the site, or add us to your RSS newsfeed aggregator. If you
    write in your own weblog on related topics, let us know: we'd be delighted to exchange links.
    Reference our posts, suggest authors, and help get us noticed!

    Reason Founder, Longevity Meme [email hidden] longevitygivemeyourmoney.orglongevitygivemeyourmoney.org

    it's just another scam website, but they obviously want to protect themselves from legal action:

    "While a reasonable effort is made to periodically review each document and source, Fight Aging! and
    the Fight Aging! authors cannot and do not warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness,
    correctness, or fitness for a particular purpose of the information or views made available through
    this media, or the material contained within. Neither Fight Aging! nor Fight Aging! authors shall be
    liable to you for any injury caused in whole or in part by any information obtained through Fight
    Aging! You agree by your decision to access this information that under no circumstances will Fight
    Aging! or Fight Aging! authors be liable to you for any decision made or action taken by you in
    reliance on such information or views"

  3. cc'd by email The pitch by scam centRAL

    Quoted message said:

    This is a terrific new site with loads of helpful hints.

    The Longevity Meme is launching a new collaborative weblog: reports from the front line in the
    fight against aging; the science of healthy life extension; activism and advocacy for longer,
    healthier lives.

    scamming.orgscamming.org

    You can help us get underway! Bookmark the site, or add us to your RSS newsfeed aggregator. If you
    write in your own weblog on related topics, let us know: we'd be delighted to exchange links.
    Reference our posts, suggest authors, and help get us noticed!

    Reason Founder, Longevity Meme

    Quoted message said:

    longespamk.orglongespamk.org

  4. Ted Rosenberg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    cc'd by email The pitch by scam centRAL

    Quoted message said:

    This is a terrific new site with loads of helpful hints.

    The Longevity Meme is launching a new collaborative weblog: reports from the front line in the
    fight against aging; the science of healthy life extension; activism and advocacy for longer,
    healthier lives.

    scamming.orgscamming.org

    You can help us get underway! Bookmark the site, or add us to your RSS newsfeed aggregator. If
    you write in your own weblog on related topics, let us know: we'd be delighted to exchange
    links. Reference our posts, suggest authors, and help get us noticed!

    Reason Founder, Longevity Meme

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    Quoted message said:

    longespamk.orglongespamk.org

    Ugh, cute. Well, that reaction serves as a good example of how the anti-aging marketers and other
    fraudsters have successfully made everyone enormously suspicious of anything new.

    "Fight Aging!" is an extension of a long running pro-real-science news and advocacy site that I run.
    I don't sell anything, and I am not beholden to any group that does sell anything. I am primarily an
    advocate for research: my take is that successful research funding in any field requires widespread
    support and understanding - hence my efforts to get out and promote healthy life extension and the
    real, scientific fight against aging and age-related conditions.

    I don't touch on diabetes all that often (and hence didn't post the original message to these
    groups), but diabetes is one of the age-related conditions that does see related research news
    posted at the Longevity Meme every now and again.

    Reason Founder, Longevity Meme [email hidden] longevitymeme.orglongevitymeme.org

  5. A filthy spammer... Caught with his hand in the till. Listen to him whine.

    --
    I hate spam, but that isn't really part of my email address. Remove the string "HatesSpam" from this
    email address before you use it: [email hidden]

    Ever wonder what it'd be like to be a blood-sucking parasite? tinyurl.com7wxk

  6. Guy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (Nan Eklund) said:

    Old age is gentle if accepted as a friend. Fighting it means pain.

    Nan, Type 2, age 75

    I think old age is what we all are trying achieve. Nan, you are older than me.

    Old age and good health, simultanously. No-one is slamming old age - but it's good to a) attack the
    assumption that old age has to equate to sickness and infirmity, and b) support the science that
    helps to separate age from illness.

    As I have said, I don't follow the fight against diabetes as closely as that against cancer, heart
    disease and Alzheimer's, but very promising work has been done over the past few years using stem
    cells, therapeutic cloning and regenerative medicine. Cures in mouse models and some fairly large
    funding decisions were the last major events I heard about:

    cureautoimmunity.orgGlobe%2011 14%20Science%20article.htm

    Based on the way in which therapies are brought to market nowadays - assuming good funding,
    contining community activism, and a tailing off of anti-research legislation - it shouldn't be too
    many more years before cures for both types of diabetes are first made available.

    Reason Founder, Longevity Meme [email hidden] longevitymeme.orglongevitymeme.org

  7. On 10 Feb 2004 15:11:26 -0800, [email hidden] (Reason)

    Quoted message said:

    Guy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (Nan Eklund) said:

    Old age is gentle if accepted as a friend. Fighting it means pain.

    Nan, Type 2, age 75

    I think old age is what we all are trying achieve. Nan, you are older than me.

    Old age and good health, simultanously. No-one is slamming old age - but it's good to a) attack the
    assumption that old age has to equate to sickness and infirmity, and b) support the science that
    helps to separate age from illness.

    As I have said, I don't follow the fight against diabetes as closely as that against cancer, heart
    disease and Alzheimer's, but very promising work has been done over the past few years using stem
    cells, therapeutic cloning and regenerative medicine. Cures in mouse models and some fairly large
    funding decisions were the last major events I heard about:

    cureautoimmunity.orgGlobe%2011 14%20Science%20article.htm

    Based on the way in which therapies are brought to market nowadays - assuming good funding,
    contining community activism, and a tailing off of anti-research legislation - it shouldn't be too
    many more years before cures for both types of diabetes are first made available.

    Reason Founder, Longevity Meme [email hidden] longevitymeme.orglongevitymeme.org

    The real issue is our ability to have the people to do the research. It takes about 20 years of
    training to develop a person to do the job.

    Throwing money at anything will never solve the problem. The issue is to pick those that have the
    native ability to accept the training and be capable of making a positive contribution. Then the
    money will do some good .

    Our problems will not be solved in print or TV. PR people have a role but they seem to get off on
    tangents. Much of the present research has been overstated greatly. It is in the early stages and
    the accumulation of data is just starting.

    We need careful funding that is well designed on a multiple decade effort. We have a long way to go.
    More efforts going into bomb making and politics now.

    I doubt if much will come from companies that buy the rights to a drug and develops it for market.
    Real research is not a quarterly effort. It is not a financial report. We need long term funding to
    maintain the longer term efforts. Then some of you will live to see some results. Guy

  8. Guy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    The real issue is our ability to have the people to do the research. It takes about 20 years of
    training to develop a person to do the job.

    Throwing money at anything will never solve the problem. The issue is to pick those that have the
    native ability to accept the training and be capable of making a positive contribution. Then the
    money will do some good .

    Throwing money never does any good - but the funding has to be there to be used in the right way.
    Over the long term, funding only goes to medical projects that have widespread popular support, and
    that support is a result of education and advocacy. Look at AIDS and cancer funding versus the
    activism for both those causes.

    Quoted message said:

    Our problems will not be solved in print or TV. PR people have a role but they seem to get off on
    tangents. Much of the present research has been overstated greatly. It is in the early stages and
    the accumulation of data is just starting.

    We need careful funding that is well designed on a multiple decade effort. We have a long way to
    go. More efforts going into bomb making and politics now.

    Broadly agreed. There are always too many bombs - a major disease can be cured for the cost of a
    couple of stealth bombers.

    Quoted message said:

    I doubt if much will come from companies that buy the rights to a drug and develops it for market.
    Real research is not a quarterly effort. It is not a financial report. We need long term funding
    to maintain the longer term efforts. Then some of you will live to see some results.

    Well, I agree with you that drugs are not the future (even if I disagree with your stance on
    corporations - business and profit are absolutely essential to turning research into medicine, at
    least until someone invents the selfless human being). Regenerative medicine is the future, from
    which cures will come for the conditions that could never be cured by drugs. That mouse cure for
    diabetes is a stem cell and regenerative medicine affair - you'll note that to cure a mouse of
    diabetes took considerably less than a decade to go from 'hey, there are these things called stem
    cells' to 'mouse cured of diabetes.'

    So I think your timescale is a bit off for the science side of things. However, getting FDA approval
    for any procedure that works now in mice or in early human trials could easily take a decade and the
    better part of a billion dollars...which is why medical science can seem so slow even at a time when
    the pace of actual research is blisteringly fast.

    Reason Founder, Longevity Meme [email hidden] longevitymeme.orglongevitymeme.org

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