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Richard Bates <[email hidden]> wrote:
: looking MTB thingies. The lights were tiny non-BS items. Puncture repair kits at 59p can't really
: be sniffed at, and I guess inner tubes are another item where decent quality can be assumed (IME
: anyway).

Not in my experience. Above a certain price, yes, but really cheap inner tubes are made from nasty
thick and in-elastic rubber which dispite being thick and heavy punctures easily.

Arthur

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Quoted message said:

Puncture repair kits at 59p can't really be sniffed at

Apart from the glue, of course. :-)

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Richard Bates said:

Locks were a brand I'd never heard of. Something that did catch my eye were Tire-Flies at £8.99. I
would almost have been tempted to buy aset but they appear to only fit fat schraeder valves.

I ordered some from iwantoneofthose.comiwantoneofthose.comOpen ↗ , which arrived yesterday. I know full well that
they were designed for schraeder valves, but I also know the way round that.

I have cut the tips off of two presta valve covers and superglued those valve covers inside the
holes in the Tireflies. So I now have a pair of Tireflies that fit presta valves.

(Of course, they're still completely illegal for road use).

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:40:43 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
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🙂 )I have cut the tips off of two presta valve covers and superglued those )valve covers inside the
:holes in the Tireflies. So I now have a pair of )Tireflies that fit presta valves. ) )(Of course,
:they're still completely illegal for road use). )

Like er, what are they ?
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pmailkeey wondered:

Quoted message said:

Like er, what are they ?

Flashing LED lights that screw onto your valve stems: tireflys.comtireflys.comOpen ↗

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Quoted message said:

Richard Bates said:

Locks were a brand I'd never heard of. Something that did catch my eye were Tire-Flies at £8.99.
I would almost have been tempted to buy aset but they appear to only fit fat schraeder valves.

I ordered some from iwantoneofthose.comiwantoneofthose.comOpen ↗ , which arrived yesterday. I know full well that
they were designed for schraeder valves, but I also know the way round that.

I have cut the tips off of two presta valve covers and superglued those valve covers inside the
holes in the Tireflies. So I now have a pair of Tireflies that fit presta valves.

(Of course, they're still completely illegal for road use).

I can see that the red flashing ones are technically illegal, but are purple ones illegal as well.
I'm very tempted....
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Steph Peters said:

I can see that the red flashing ones are technically illegal, but are purple ones illegal as well.
I'm very tempted....

All illegal. The DfT mentioned the idea of legalising them as part of their consultation on updating
the Lighting Regs. Sadly they forgot to include legalising rechargeable lighting systems, flashing
front LEDs and clipless pedals. So not quite the win it could have been. The actual revision (post
consultation) hasn't been published yet.

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:03:57 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂pmailkeey wondered: )> Like er, what are they ? ) )Flashing LED lights that screw onto your valve
:stems: )tireflys.comtireflys.comOpen ↗

Cheers.

I was wondering about those tyre pressure gauges you can get which permanently live on the valves.
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:39:18 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:35:29 +0000, Steph Peters )<[email hidden]> wrote: )
🙂>I can see that the red flashing ones are technically illegal, but are purple )>ones illegal as
:well. I'm very tempted.... ) )All illegal.

Why ? because they're not still ?
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The thread on Tireflies went:

Quoted message said:

🙂>I can see that the red flashing ones are technically illegal, but
are purple 🙂>ones illegal as well. I'm very tempted....
🙂 )All illegal.

Why ? because they're not still ?

Also because they flash. From the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations
url:http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_1.htm :

" 12.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on
a road any vehicle to which, or to any load or equipment of which, there is fitted a lamp, reflector
or marking which is capable of being moved by swivelling, deflecting or otherwise while the vehicle
is in motion."

" 13.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which
automatically emits a flashing light."

Tireflies aren't covered by the exceptions to either rule.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:18:59 GMT, [email hidden]

(pmailkeey) said:

🙂>I can see that the red flashing ones are technically illegal, but are purple )>ones illegal as
:well. I'm very tempted....

Quoted message said:

🙂All illegal.

Quoted message said:

Why ? because they're not still ?

Colour, flashing and position I think.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:14:32 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂The thread on Tireflies went: )> 🙂>I can see that the red flashing ones are technically illegal,
:but )> are purple 🙂>ones illegal as well. I'm very tempted.... )> 🙂 )> 🙂All illegal. )> )> Why
:? because they're not still ? ) )Also because they flash. From the Road Vehicle Lighting
:Regulations )url:http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_1.htm : ) )" 12.—(1) Save as
:provided in paragraph (2), no person shall use, or )cause or permit to be used, on a road any
:vehicle to which, or to any )load or equipment of which, there is fitted a lamp, reflector or
:marking )which is capable of being moved by swivelling, deflecting or otherwise )while the vehicle
:is in motion." ) )" 13.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be )fitted with a
:lamp which automatically emits a flashing light." ) )Tireflies aren't covered by the exceptions to
:either rule.

And paragraph (2) says ? Thinking about the various vehicles with flashing lights and
beacons on them.
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I quoted:

Quoted message said:

🙂From the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations
🙂url:http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_1.htm : ) )" 12.—(1) Save as provided in
:paragraph (2), no person shall use,
or 🙂cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle to which, or to any 🙂load or equipment of
which, there is fitted a lamp, reflector or marking 🙂which is capable of being moved by
swivelling, deflecting or otherwise 🙂while the vehicle is in motion."
🙂 )" 13.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be )fitted with a lamp which
:automatically emits a flashing light." ) )Tireflies aren't covered by the exceptions to
:either rule.

prompting pmailkeey to wonder:

Quoted message said:

And paragraph (2) says ? Thinking about the various vehicles with flashing lights and beacons
on them.

For clause 12 (moving lights), paragraph (2) says:
**************
(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of-

(a) a headlamp which can be dipped only by the movement of the headlamp or its reflector;

(b) a headlamp which is capable of adjustment so as to compensate for the effect of the load
carried by the vehicle;

(c) a lamp or reflector which can be deflected to the side by the movement of, although not
necessarily through the same angle as, the front wheel or wheels of the vehicle when turned for
the purpose of steering the vehicle;

(d) a headlamp or front fog lamp which can be wholly or partially retracted or concealed;

(e) a direction indicator fitted to a motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986;

(f) a work lamp;

(g) a warning beacon;

(h) an amber pedal retro reflector; or

(i) retro reflective material or a retro reflector of any colour which is fitted so as to reflect
light primarily to one or both sides of the vehicle and is attached to or incorporated in any
wheel or tyre of-

(j) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to;

(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or

(iii) an invalid carriage.
****************

For clause 13 (flashing lights), paragraph 2 says:
****************
(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of-

(a) a direction indicator;

(b) a headlamp fitted to an emergency vehicle;

(c) a warning beacon or special warning lamp;

(d) a lamp or illuminated sign fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;

(e) a green warning lamp used as an anti-lock brake indicator; or

(f) lamps forming part of a traffic sign.
***************

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:17:57 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂prompting pmailkeey to wonder: ) )> And paragraph (2) says ? Thinking about the various vehicles
:with )> flashing lights and beacons on them. ) )For clause 12 (moving lights), paragraph (2) says:
🙂************** )(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of- ) )(c) a lamp or reflector which
:can be deflected to the side by the )movement of, although not necessarily through the same angle
:as, the )front wheel or wheels of the vehicle when turned for the purpose of )steering the
:vehicle; )

That's bike lights covered.

🙂(e) a direction indicator fitted to a motor vehicle first used before )1st April 1986;

He he !

They're so near to this:

🙂(i) retro reflective material or a retro reflector of any colour which )is fitted so as to reflect
:light primarily to one or both sides of the )vehicle and is attached to or incorporated in any
:wheel or tyre of- ) )(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to; ) )(ii) a solo motor bicycle or
:motor bicycle combination; or )**************** ) )For clause 13 (flashing lights), paragraph 2
:says: )**************** ) (2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of- ) )(c) a warning beacon
:or special warning lamp;

Maybe that's what they are !

🙂(f) lamps forming part of a traffic sign.

He he !

Thanks for that lot, Danny.
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pmailkeey said:

That's bike lights covered.

It was interesting to see that things like reflective sidewalls on tyres and being able to mount
lights onto swivelling things like handlebars and bits of recumbent steering mechanism are
explicitely allowed. Of course, for things like the reflective tyres, I'd have been very surprised
if they weren't allowed.

Flashing flag poles aren't listed though. I was also thinking of adding a blue LED near my speedo so
I can see it at night (then how about going all the way, a hot-rodded recumbent trike!)

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Danny Colyer <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

🙂" 13.-(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be )fitted with a lamp which
:automatically emits a flashing light." )

prompting pmailkeey to wonder:

Quoted message said:

And paragraph (2) says ? Thinking about the various vehicles with flashing lights and beacons
on them.

For clause 13 (flashing lights), paragraph 2 says:
****************
(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of-
(c) a warning beacon or special warning lamp;

So should I consider my flashing rear LED to be a warning beacon?

Andrew Sweetman wondered:

Quoted message said:

So should I consider my flashing rear LED to be a warning beacon?

Does it meet the requirements laid out for a warning beacon in schedule 16 of the regulations:
url:http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_21.htm#nsch16requi
rementrelatingobligatoryoptionalwarningbeacon ?

i.e. is it visible from all angles (front or rear), is its flashing rate somewhere between 60-240
flashes/minute and is its colour blue, amber, green or yellow?

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Andrew Sweetman said:

So should I consider my flashing rear LED to be a warning beacon?

Well now. According to my reading of the Regs, if you put an *orange* flashing beacon on the back of
your bike, that should be legit. You could argue that a cyclist riding at night is a slow-moving
vehicle (we can't generally get up to full speed in the dark, after all).

If you have a steady red light on the back of your bike meeting BS <mumble>, you can then strictly
speaking hang whatever you like on your person or the luggage of the bike. So I hang my RealLite on
the bike bag. But I would be inclined to restrict rear-facing lights to red or orange.

I might be wrong on this, but I have had confirmation from sources somewhat more expert if no more
authoritative than me.

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:42:28 +0000 (UTC), "Andrew Sweetman"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

🙂 )Danny Colyer <[email hidden]> wrote ... )> > 🙂" 13.-(1) Save as provided in
:paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be )> > 🙂fitted with a lamp which automatically emits a flashing
:light." )> > 🙂 )> )> prompting pmailkeey to wonder: )> )> > And paragraph (2) says ? Thinking
:about the various vehicles with )> > flashing lights and beacons on them. )> )> For clause 13
🙁flashing lights), paragraph 2 says: )> **************** )> (2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in
:respect of- )> (c) a warning beacon or special warning lamp; )> ) )So should I consider my flashing
:rear LED to be a warning beacon?

Consider it whatever you want - but remember what it isn't - and that's a steady rear light ! It's
why they're allowed in ADDITION to .

Although, off-set from the centre-line of the bike, they could be "misinterpreted" as a turn
indicator lamp !
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