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  1. "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5t9Tb.204055$na.334992@attbi_s04... It's the
    damn milk that's insanely

    Quoted message said:

    priced!

    That is one of my biggest pet peeves... Milk is outrageous in the grocery store, but dairy farmers
    are only getting about 10 dollars per hundred weight (10 dollars per hundered pounds of milk, a
    gallon is roughly 8.5 or so pounds, I think).... This was the price the last time I asked, and it's
    been awhile, but I don't think the price of milk has gone up any for the dairy farmers. The farmers
    definitely aren't seeing any of the profits. It just makes me so ill when people like my dad are
    working their a**** off, and someone in a suit somewhere is obviously getting rich from it. It seems
    the stores or bottlers, more likely, mark up the milk under the guise of "the farmers need more
    money", which is the truth, yet the farmers aren't getting that extra money.

    As my dad points out, things would be a lot better if they would do away with government price
    supports, since farmers could then set their own price for milk and hopefully earn the money that
    they deserve.

  2. While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, DRB of SBC

    url='http://yahoo.sbc.com/'http://yahoo.sbc.com/url said:

    Another thing.. it seems like more and more young people make it to college without knowing to
    cook, or plan meals, or cook on a budget. When I was growing up, I was always in the kitchen with
    mom and my sister and I would accopmany her to the grocery store. I started cooking when I was 9,
    and by the time we were in high school, my sister and I were responsible for planning and preparing
    a couple of meals a week. Do kids not learn this type of stuff anymore? And not necessarily at
    school. I never sat foot in a home ec class, but my mom taught me what I needed to know...


    When I got my own place, at 17, I couldn't even cook potatoes; I had to phone my mother and ask her
    how long to cook them.
    --
    Nikitta a.a. #1759 Apatriot(No, not apricot)#18 ICQ# 251532856 Unreferenced footnotes: nut.house.cxcgi
    bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN "I've noticed that most dogs aren't very polite when it comes to sharing ice
    cream. " Oiorpata (Sheddie)

  3. BOB said:

    Frogleg wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Want ideas of economical *real* food. What would dear Julia do if restricted to a common or
    garden supermarket and no budget for a $50 roast and $2.50/ea artichokes? I have a feeling she'd
    be able to dazzle with a packet of frozen spinach and some chicken thighs.

    *REAL* barbecue where you take a tough, cheap cut of meat and make it into a heavenly food, fit for
    the Gods. Mexican/ Cuban/Island type foods. Use the cheaper spices. Think "breads" (freshly baked)
    Home made pizza (without the expensive toppings) Grilled fresh vegetables

    All RIGHT! Probably misquoting from "The Impoverished Student...", but 'bread is one of the few
    gifts of gods to men not mediated by a hierarchical priesthood.' Can't go (far) wrong making bread
    and bread-things. Fresh veg are (hand-waggle) getting awfully expensive, even in season. If 'grill'
    includes a heavy grill-pan for stove and not an outdoor propane establishment, I think this is a
    good idea I should try. Pork BBQ is $4/lb in the deli section. Sirloin bone-in pork chops are
    $0.98/lb in a recent ad. Forget what shoulder was the last time it was advertised. Well worth
    looking out for.

  4. Ariane Jenkins said:

    On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:06:38 GMT, Frogleg <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Can't anybody come up with a few main dishes, sides, soups or salads that are a delight and don't
    include some particularly expensive brand of chestnut puree? Is the only food worth eating the
    product of free-range pheasants and out-of-season endiive?

    Easy now, thread drift happens. No use getting too worked up over it or your blood pressure
    will never go down while reading this group. 😉

    I meditate after every connection. :-)

    Quoted message said:


    I think people have mentioned plenty of ideas in this group as a whole, although you might
    get more specific responses if you were to Google or ask on misc.consumers.frugal-living.

    Don't want 'frugal.' I *know* how to make 1 (half) chicken breast extend to a 4-person meal. I want
    inventive, delicious, gourmet cooking that doesn't require a pound of lobster meat as a contributory
    ingredient to, say, 2 dozen Long-Island oysters.

    Quoted message said:


    --pan-fried fish (dredged in seasoned flour), then with a bit of sherry, soy sauce, water, ginger
    and scallions added to the pan and made into a sauce, served with rice and steamed broccoli

    Check.

    Quoted message said:

    --roast beef, a chunk of bottom round rubbed with salt, pepper and studded with slivers of garlic,
    served with a baked potato and steamed asparagus

    Beef cooked how? I am roast-impaired.

    Quoted message said:

    --chicken breasts, marinated in Italian dressing and baked (can also be grilled or cooked on
    Foreman grill), cut into strips and tossed with romaine lettuce and sliced onion in a simple salad,
    dressing of your chocie

    Because someone had given me a whole flock of pecans and I spent a number of mindless hours shelling
    them, I experimented with pecan-crusted chicken strips recently. Googled for recipes; found most
    included pecans AND some sort of crumbs; and processed pecans with cornflakes. Not bad at all.
    Pecans are expensive unless someone gives them to you, but perhaps peanuts would do.

    Quoted message said:

    --grilled ham and cheese --salmon croquettes, recipe at end of message --omelet, herbs are a nice
    addition if you've got them, but we like grated sharp cheddar, and sauteed mushrooms/onions, too
    --Dimitri's great recipe idea for baking some pork spare ribs on a bed of sauerkraut, chopped
    cabbage, sliced onion, with a sprinkling of caraway seeds, can add a splash of white wine or apple
    juice, eaten with mashed potatoes

    Wizard!

    Quoted message said:

    --cabbage roll-like stew with half and half mixture of ground pork and beef, simmered on stovetop,
    extra cabbage and sauerkraut --Mimi Hiller's sticky chicken (recipe in RFC cookbook) with parsley
    potatoes and a salad --Don't remember the Chinese name for it offhand, but a whole chicken rubbed
    with salt and let sit in the fridge overnight, next day poach it (boiling water, put chicken in,
    let sit a minute or two, take it out, bring water back to boiling, put chicken in, cover pot and
    turn off heat, let sit for an hour) and served with rice, maybe a dipping sauce (oyster sauce,
    hoisin, etc.) and some sliced cucumbers--leftovers work great in chicken salad --saute some garlic
    and onion, ...

    And everyone who comes into the house says, "Ummh. You must be cooking something good."

    Quoted message said:

    add some canned diced tomatoes and a can of good tuna, let simmer a bit, and serve over pasta

    Well, the list goes on. I'm sure that a great many people make fairly simple dishes quite often,
    but it may not occur to them to discuss them because... well, they're so simple.

    This is exactly what I was after. *Really* tasty food that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

    Quoted message said:


    Ariane

    P.S. I've never had pheasant and probably wouldn't recognize an endive if it bit me on the ass.
    <g>

    I've had a squab. You're supposed to eat a lot of the bits you'd discard in a chicken. Not a treat
    for me. I believe pheasants are a bit larger. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    BAKED SALMON CROQUETTES

    Recipe By : Southern Living 1981 Annual Recipes, page 22 Serving Size : 8 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories : Fish Salmon

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    15 1/2 ounces Canned pink salmon -- Drain, reserve juice Milk
    1/4 Cup Butter 2 Tablespoons Onion -- finely chopped
    1/3 Cup All purpose flour
    1/2 teaspoon Salt
    1/4 teaspoon Pepper 1 Tablespoon Lemon juice 1 Cup Bread crumbs, or crushed Corn Flakes

    1. Drain salmon, reserving liquid; add enough milk to salmon liquid to measure 1 cup; set aside.
    2. Melt butter in a heavy saucepan over low heat; add onion and cook until tender. 3 Add flour,
    stirring until smooth. Cook 1 minute, stirring constantly.
    4. Gradually add milk mixture; cook over medium heat, stirring constantly, until thickened and
    bubbly. Stir in salt and pepper;set aside.
    5. Remove skin and bones from salmon; flake salmon with a fork. Add lemon juice, 1/2 cup bread
    crumbs, and white sauce, stirring well.
    6. Refrigerate mixture until chilled; shape into croquettes. Roll in remaining bread crumbs.
    7. Place on a lightly greased baking sheet; bake at 400 degrees for 30 minutes.


    Thank you.

  5. On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:45:50 -0500, The Cook <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Frogleg <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Want ideas of economical *real* food. What would dear Julia do if restricted to a common or garden
    supermarket and no budget for a $50 roast and $2.50/ea artichokes? I have a feeling she'd be able
    to dazzle with a packet of frozen spinach and some chicken thighs.

    Quoted message said:


    Here is another one of my favorites.

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Kale With Cannellini Beans

    Susan -- the chicken/rice recipe looks good. I did some white beans with kale a couple of years
    ago and counted the next extended power outage as an excellent excuse to toss the baggies I'd
    frozen. :-) Well, it was my first attempt and perhaps I didn't follow the recipe as carefully as I
    might have.

  6. Frogleg said:
    kilikini said:

    What I think many people are forgetting is that in a college dorm...

    Not, not, not asking about student food! Sorry I even mentioned it as a peripheral example of what
    I *wasn't* interested in.

    Want ideas of economical *real* food. What would dear Julia do if restricted to a common or garden
    supermarket and no budget for a $50 roast and $2.50/ea artichokes? I have a feeling she'd be able
    to dazzle with a packet of frozen spinach and some chicken thighs.

    We're all (mostly) supposed to be inventive and talented cooks who can make the most of whatever
    ingredients are available. Not Iron Chef weird stuff, but plain ol' supermarket food. If it takes
    a specialty butcher and ground macadamia nuts and goat cheese and baby zucchini to make anything
    worth eating, then we deserve to pay $45 for a restaurant hamburger.

    Can't anybody come up with a few main dishes, sides, soups or salads that are a delight and don't
    include some particularly expensive brand of chestnut puree? Is the only food worth eating the
    product of free-range pheasants and out-of-season endiive?

    No one suggested souffles and quiches. or simple fruit [censored] for dessert. Soups and stews are
    often economical, but I'd like to see some more individual main dishes and crafty use of meat. A
    new thread on 'elegant salmon loaf' has possibilities, 'though I wasn't thinking of 'open a can of
    this and a can of that.' Not excluding it, either.

    Come ON people. I'm a fan of white chicken meat, but whole fryers were on sale last week for
    $0.48/lb. Wouldn't a roasted chicken surrounded by potatoes, carrots, and onions be cheap and good
    eats with dark- & light-meat eaters around? *This* is the kind of thing I was looking for.

    No measurements; they are not critical and I don't measure this stuff:

    Cut up a chicken, or buy a bag of leg quarters. Remove any big hunks of fat. Arrange [the chicken]
    in a single layer in a 9x13 lasagna pan or big glass cake pan. Meanwhile, remove the seeds and stems
    from a handful of dried New Mexico chile peppers. Soak the peppers in hot water until they soften
    up, then dump them in a blender, water and all. Add a chicken bouillon cube, a couple of cloves of
    garlic, and a big pinch of oregano. If the peppers are not hot, add some cayenne pepper. Liquify.
    Pour over the chicken. Bake uncovered in 375 degree oven until done. Serve with warm tortillas and
    grated cheddar cheese, and a nice salad.

    Bob

  7. Frogleg said:

    I meditate after every connection. :-)

    LOL... So should we all. <g>

    Quoted message said:

    Don't want 'frugal.' I *know* how to make 1 (half) chicken breast extend to a 4-person meal. I
    want inventive, delicious, gourmet cooking that doesn't require a pound of lobster meat as a
    contributory ingredient to, say, 2 dozen Long-Island oysters.

    I think you may be a little mistaken about what the term "frugal" may mean to different people.
    It's not always going to be about stretching food to feed an army, it can also be about making
    the most out of what you've got. Some of the regulars at MCFL are excellent from-scratch cooks,
    because that's how they can get great meals for the least amount of money. And it's almost a
    given that they will not be working with very expensive or hard-to-obtain ingredients, but
    rather, what they can grow or find at a regular grocery store or a farmer's market if they're
    lucky enough to have one nearby.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    --roast beef, a chunk of bottom round rubbed with salt, pepper and studded with slivers of garlic,
    served with a baked potato and steamed asparagus

    Beef cooked how? I am roast-impaired.

    Shoot, let me think... I preheated the oven to 450 F, stuck the roast in for about 10
    minutes, then turned it down to 375 and cooked it until the internal temperature was about
    140 F. I lost track of how much time that took, but it was definitely over an hour for a 3-4
    lb. chunk of beef.

    Quoted message said:

    Because someone had given me a whole flock of pecans and I spent a number of mindless hours
    shelling them, I experimented with pecan-crusted chicken strips recently. Googled for recipes;
    found most included pecans AND some sort of crumbs; and processed pecans with cornflakes. Not bad
    at all. Pecans are expensive unless someone gives them to you, but perhaps peanuts would do.

    Sounds great! I've never experimented with nuts much in cooking, mainly I use them in baking.
    The Indian grocery not far from here has a good price on almonds (whole and slivered), that
    might be nice, too.

    Speaking of coatings for chicken, I love using panko. It's easy to find and not expensive
    here, and it makes a great coating for chicken tenders.

    Quoted message said:

    And everyone who comes into the house says, "Ummh. You must be cooking something good."

    Hehehe, a polite way of saying, "Your kitchen smells!!" ;D our ventilation system is poor, it's
    one of those air vents that just recirculates the air back into your kitchen. It's not a problem
    for most stuff, but frying smells and strong cabbagey smells to tend to hang out for a while
    until we can air the place out. We don't mind the smell of curry or lasagna even after a day or
    two, but that's us. 🙂~

    Quoted message said:

    This is exactly what I was after. *Really* tasty food that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

    Yep, that's my goal. We don't have oodles of money, and my skills really aren't up to dealing
    with super expensive stuff, anyway. I'd feel rotten if I screwed it up and wasted the
    ingredients. So meanwhile, I'll continue to work on becoming a better cook, and by trying to
    make simple but good meals for DH and I.

    Quoted message said:

    I've had a squab. You're supposed to eat a lot of the bits you'd discard in a chicken. Not a treat
    for me. I believe pheasants are a bit larger. :-)

    I've only seen them walking around on rich peoples' lawns while on a trip to England. I did
    wonder how they tasted, but...well, people were hanging around, and I couldn't pop one into my
    daypack. 😉

    Ariane

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    DRB said:

    "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5t9Tb.204055$na.334992@attbi_s04... It's the
    damn milk that's insanely

    Quoted message said:

    priced!

    That is one of my biggest pet peeves... Milk is outrageous in the grocery store, but dairy farmers
    are only getting about 10 dollars per hundred weight (10 dollars per hundered pounds of milk, a
    gallon is roughly 8.5 or so pounds, I think).... This was the price the last time I asked, and
    it's been awhile, but I don't think the price of milk has gone up any for the dairy farmers. The
    farmers definitely aren't seeing any of the profits. It just makes me so ill when people like my
    dad are working their a**** off, and someone in a suit somewhere is obviously getting rich from
    it. It seems the stores or bottlers, more likely, mark up the milk under the guise of "the farmers
    need more money", which is the truth, yet the farmers aren't getting that extra money.

    As my dad points out, things would be a lot better if they would do away with government price
    supports, since farmers could then set their own price for milk and hopefully earn the money that
    they deserve.

    Don't be so hasty...

    Farm subsidies are all that is keeping some farms from selling the land to housing developers, and
    starving all of us.......

    K.

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  9. Frogleg said:
    kilikini said:

    What I think many people are forgetting is that in a college dorm...

    Not, not, not asking about student food! Sorry I even mentioned it as a peripheral example of what
    I *wasn't* interested in.

    Want ideas of economical *real* food. What would dear Julia do if restricted to a common or garden
    supermarket and no budget for a $50 roast and $2.50/ea artichokes? I have a feeling she'd be able
    to dazzle with a packet of frozen spinach and some chicken thighs.

    We're all (mostly) supposed to be inventive and talented cooks who can make the most of whatever
    ingredients are available. Not Iron Chef weird stuff, but plain ol' supermarket food. If it takes a
    specialty butcher and ground macadamia nuts and goat cheese and baby zucchini to make anything
    worth eating, then we deserve to pay $45 for a restaurant hamburger.

    Can't anybody come up with a few main dishes, sides, soups or salads that are a delight and don't
    include some particularly expensive brand of chestnut puree? Is the only food worth eating the
    product of free-range pheasants and out-of-season endiive?

    No one suggested souffles and quiches. or simple fruit [censored] for dessert. Soups and stews are often
    economical, but I'd like to see some more individual main dishes and crafty use of meat. A new
    thread on 'elegant salmon loaf' has possibilities, 'though I wasn't thinking of 'open a can of this
    and a can of that.' Not excluding it, either.

    Come ON people. I'm a fan of white chicken meat, but whole fryers were on sale last week for
    $0.48/lb. Wouldn't a roasted chicken surrounded by potatoes, carrots, and onions be cheap and good
    eats with dark- & light-meat eaters around? *This* is the kind of thing I was looking for.

    OK, my previous post assumed a dorm room without refrigerator. Nearly everything I do uses pretty
    common ingredients, almost always starting by chopping an onion. I dealt with chicken stock before.

    A winter dinner can be built around a baked winter squash. If it is a side to some meat, I usually
    find a way it will sit in a pan, and cut a tapered plug out of the top. Scoop out the seeds, and put
    stuff inside. Then replace the plug and bake.

    If you want something closer to a one dish meal, with a little meat, you can make a stuffing with
    meat, garlic, seasonings, chopped onion etc. In any case I start by sprinkling a little salt around
    the inside surface.

    A couple of slices of bacon could be diced into it, or some sausage meat. A chili pepper of your
    desired heat is always possible. Whole peeled garlic cloves are nice. They get completely cooked
    when the squash is baked. If there is no other fat around the garlic I half fill the cavity with
    olive oil when everything else is in.

    ****************

    Frugality demands that you buy whole chickens only. If you just want white meat for one meal use the
    thighs and drumsticks later. Throw all bones in the freezer til you have time to make stock. You
    could bone the thighs and drumsticks and use the meat in a stuffed squash as above.

    I admit to paying a lot more for chicken than the supermarket charges (for much better chicken), but
    the principle is the same. A better cook than I can doubtless do wonders with the .48/lb special,
    but I am not that advanced. I may have to learn when my wife is also retired.
    **************

    If you can get over the idea that chili has to have meat in it, or just call it something else, a
    dinner based on beans and rice has lots of tradition behind it and is nutritionally sound as well as
    cheap. It is not that difficult to make it taste good as well.

    *********************
    As a change from rice, potatoes, or pasta consider perled barley or farro perlato, both of which
    will cook in similar time to rice. Farro perlato will act much like arborio rice to make farrotto if
    you have a suitable stock.

    Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

    The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of
    discouraging rational inquiry.
    - Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

  10. On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:14:28 -0500, Rodney Myrvaagnes <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Frugality demands that you buy whole chickens only. If you just want white meat for one meal use
    the thighs and drumsticks later. Throw all bones in the freezer til you have time to make stock.
    You could bone the thighs and drumsticks and use the meat in a stuffed squash as above.

    Re: the frugality comment, nah, not really. Whole chickens can be a great deal, but not
    everyone makes stock out of the carcass, and some people prefer dark meat. I can usually
    find chicken leg quarters on sale cheaper than whole chickens, albeit not by much--maybe .10-
    20/lb cheaper.

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    If you can get over the idea that chili has to have meat in it, or just call it something else, a
    dinner based on beans and rice has lots of tradition behind it and is nutritionally sound as well
    as cheap. It is not that difficult to make it taste good as well.

    Excellent point. We do have meatless meals from time to time, and it's a different challenge
    from a cooking point of view. With dishes like red beans and rice, one also has the option of
    using a smaller amount of meat as a flavoring.

    Quoted message said:

    As a change from rice, potatoes, or pasta consider perled barley or farro perlato, both of which
    will cook in similar time to rice. Farro perlato will act much like arborio rice to make farrotto
    if you have a suitable stock.

    We're enjoying couscous as a change of pace as well.

    Ariane

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ariane Jenkins said:


    Hehehe, a polite way of saying, "Your kitchen smells!!" ;D our ventilation system is poor,
    it's one of those air vents that just recirculates the air back into your kitchen. It's not a
    problem for most stuff, but frying smells and strong cabbagey smells to tend to hang out for a
    while until we can air the place out. We don't mind the smell of curry or lasagna even after a
    day or two, but that's us. 🙂~

    I worry more about cooking catfish. <G>

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    This is exactly what I was after. *Really* tasty food that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

    Yep, that's my goal. We don't have oodles of money, and my skills really aren't up to
    dealing with super expensive stuff, anyway. I'd feel rotten if I screwed it up and wasted
    the ingredients. So meanwhile, I'll continue to work on becoming a better cook, and by
    trying to make simple but good meals for DH and I.

    I have lots of ideas, most of them involving chicken, fresh onions and celery, and some low salt
    canned goods. I cannot afford "fancy" ingredients either and one does not need them when supplied
    with a decent array of flavorings and spices.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I've had a squab. You're supposed to eat a lot of the bits you'd discard in a chicken. Not a
    treat for me. I believe pheasants are a bit larger. :-)

    I've only seen them walking around on rich peoples' lawns while on a trip to England. I did
    wonder how they tasted, but...well, people were hanging around, and I couldn't pop one into
    my daypack. 😉

    Ariane

    Real squabs cannot fly well so are easily caught. ;-) Try your local park. Around the statues...

    Or breed your own like I do. They don't eat much.

    K.

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  12. Katra said:


    I worry more about cooking catfish. <G>


    [snip] I steam mine, on a bed of julienned scallions and peeled ginger, a bit of rice vinegar, soy
    sauce and sesame oil on top. It's not stinky this way, the ginger seems to help counteract any
    cooking fish odors.

    Ariane

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ariane Jenkins said:
    Katra said:


    I worry more about cooking catfish. <G>


    [snip] I steam mine, on a bed of julienned scallions and peeled ginger, a bit of rice vinegar, soy
    sauce and sesame oil on top. It's not stinky this way, the ginger seems to help counteract any
    cooking fish odors.

    Ariane

    Sounds divine... ;-) I use a lot of fresh grated ginger in my cooking. Not so much for fish tho'.
    Gonna have to try that.

    Scallions are always good!

    Thanks,
    K.

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  14. Katra said:

    Sounds divine... ;-) I use a lot of fresh grated ginger in my cooking. Not so much for fish tho'.
    Gonna have to try that.

    Scallions are always good!

    Oh, ginger seems to be indispensable when it comes to steaming fish in Chinese cuisine.
    It adds wonderful flavor and fragrance, and that's my favorite way to eat catfish. 🙂

    Ariane

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ariane Jenkins said:
    Katra said:

    Sounds divine... ;-) I use a lot of fresh grated ginger in my cooking. Not so much for fish
    tho'. Gonna have to try that.

    Scallions are always good!

    Oh, ginger seems to be indispensable when it comes to steaming fish in Chinese cuisine.
    It adds wonderful flavor and fragrance, and that's my favorite way to eat catfish. 🙂

    Ariane

    Ginger is indespenseble (along with garlic) for other meats such as pork, beef and chicken. Thanks
    for opening the final frontier! <grins>

    I noted that you say you peel it. Not that that is any work, really, but just take the whole root,
    wash it and remove any bad spots, then run it over a course or fine cheese grater. :-)

    Neat and a time saver.

    K.

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  16. Katra said:
    In article said:

    "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5t9Tb.204055$na.334992@attbi_s04... It's the
    damn milk that's insanely

    Quoted message said:

    priced!

    That is one of my biggest pet peeves... Milk is outrageous in the grocery store, but dairy
    farmers are only getting about 10 dollars per hundred weight (10 dollars per hundered pounds of
    milk, a gallon is roughly
    8.5 or so pounds, I think).... This was the price the last time I asked, and it's been awhile,
    but I don't think the price of milk has gone up any for the dairy farmers. The farmers
    definitely aren't seeing any of the profits. It just makes me so ill when people like my dad
    are working their a**** off, and someone in a suit somewhere is obviously getting rich from it.
    It seems the stores or bottlers, more likely, mark up the milk under the guise of "the farmers
    need more money", which is the truth, yet the farmers aren't getting that extra money.

    As my dad points out, things would be a lot better if they would do away with government price
    supports, since farmers could then set their own price for milk and hopefully earn the money that
    they deserve.

    Don't be so hasty...

    Farm subsidies are all that is keeping some farms from selling the land to housing developers, and
    starving all of us.......

    K.

    Had a dairy farmer down the street. He had some nice Gurnsey's. He also had free-range chickens
    running around his front yard. It was so funny to be driving down the road on my way to work
    seeing those colourful chickens running around. His rooster was black with gorgeous yellow and red
    tail-feathers.

    Alas, he sold the property because he wasn't making any $$ from the dairy business. Now guess what I
    get to look at? Starter homes with about 3 feet between them, and a middle school. Sucks. I used to
    love being out in the middle of nowhere; now I'm in living in the middle of suburbia. (sigh)

    Jill

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    jmcquown said:
    Katra said:
    In article said:

    "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5t9Tb.204055$na.334992@attbi_s04... It's
    the damn milk that's insanely
    > priced!
    >

    That is one of my biggest pet peeves... Milk is outrageous in the grocery store, but dairy
    farmers are only getting about 10 dollars per hundred weight (10 dollars per hundered pounds of
    milk, a gallon is roughly
    8.5 or so pounds, I think).... This was the price the last time I asked, and it's been awhile,
    but I don't think the price of milk has gone up any for the dairy farmers. The farmers
    definitely aren't seeing any of the profits. It just makes me so ill when people like my dad
    are working their a**** off, and someone in a suit somewhere is obviously getting rich from
    it. It seems the stores or bottlers, more likely, mark up the milk under the guise of "the
    farmers need more money", which is the truth, yet the farmers aren't getting that extra
    money.

    As my dad points out, things would be a lot better if they would do away with government price
    supports, since farmers could then set their own price for milk and hopefully earn the money
    that they deserve.

    Don't be so hasty...

    Farm subsidies are all that is keeping some farms from selling the land to housing developers,
    and starving all of us.......

    K.

    Had a dairy farmer down the street. He had some nice Gurnsey's. He also had free-range chickens
    running around his front yard. It was so funny to be driving down the road on my way to work
    seeing those colourful chickens running around. His rooster was black with gorgeous yellow and red
    tail-feathers.

    Alas, he sold the property because he wasn't making any $$ from the dairy business. Now guess what
    I get to look at? Starter homes with about 3 feet between them, and a middle school. Sucks. I used
    to love being out in the middle of nowhere; now I'm in living in the middle of suburbia. (sigh)

    Jill

    You are not alone... :-( That is why I posted that.

    When all the farm land and orchards are covered with little ugly boxes, what are we going to eat?

    K.

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  18. This is great as a sandwhich meal or starter.

    Simply buy frozen preformed pizza crusts. Reform them into squares of any size you want. Bake them
    lightly. Then pound out a chicken breast thin, brown it lightly, place on pizza crust that's been
    brushed with a little Mayo and garlic powder, top with chopped frozen spinach, and then onion
    that's been finely chopped and sauteed with a little vinegar and a little sugar, top that with a
    couple of slices of provolone cheese and then another piece of pizza crust. Put it in a skillet
    with a little butter, marg. or oil, weight it down with another skillet and brown on both sides,
    till cheese is melted. Only one dirty skillet, and inexpensive ingredients. Dairy, starch,
    vegatbles and meat all in one. Joe

  19. Frogleg said:


    jmcquown said:
    Frogleg said:

    There've been threads on 'student food' and other cheap meals, but I wonder... I made Freedom
    Toast the other day from a couple of large slices ($2/loaf) of WalMart sourdough bread, 1 egg,
    and a little milk.


    (snip)

    Quoted message said:

    Why do cheap eats involve ramen noodles (can't argue with the cheapness, f'r sure) or hamburger
    extended to the limit with pasta?

    Surely this group can come up with inexpensive dishes that aren't Welfare Porridge. Assuming a
    normal range of condiments and spices,

    There's your problem. Assuming a normal range of condiments and spices. It's hardly fair to
    assume in a college dorm one would have anything aside from salt, pepper and some packets of
    ketchup from McDonalds.

    I have explained this qestion badly. I'm *wasn't* asking about student food, just using that as an
    example of how cheap eats are often discussed here. What I'm after is inexpensive gour-may ideas.
    Not rock-bottom poverty fuel, but also ideas that don't require goat cheese and prosciutto or a
    bucket of fresh raspberries to taste 'right.' Also wasn't thinking of "how to feed 20 people for
    $10" dishes. Just inexpensive but *good* food. Ex: potatoes and onions can be had quite cheaply.
    Cabbage and carrots. Celery and eggs keep going up and up, but butter is pretty cheap right now.
    Frozen veg are cheaper than fresh, mostly. Chicken, whole or cut up, is relatively inexpensive.
    It's easy to make something delicious that starts with a pound of large shrimp or sushi-grade
    tuna; what about something that starts with frozen whiting?

    Frozen whiting, sweat an onion, add some corn, potato and water, simmer for 20 minutes or so, then
    add the fish, cut up, and cook for another 5-10 minutes. If desired, mix up a white sauce, and
    preadd some of the soup water until thinned, then add the rest of the sauce to the soup and simmer.
    Then add the fish. Salt, pepper, garlic, and herbs to taste.

    another seafood quick meal for 4 is ramen, surimi, and frozen veggies. About $2~ a person. Add a
    tablespoon of peanut butter (crunchy or smooth, your preference), and you've got my daughter's
    favorite food.

    maxine in ri

  20. Katra said:
    In article said:

    Had a dairy farmer down the street. He had some nice Gurnsey's. He also had free-range chickens
    running around his front yard. It was so funny to be driving down the road on my way to work
    seeing those colourful chickens running around. His rooster was black with gorgeous yellow and
    red tail-feathers.

    Alas, he sold the property because he wasn't making any $$ from the dairy business. Now guess
    what I get to look at? Starter homes with about 3 feet between them, and a middle school.
    Sucks. I used to love being out in the middle of nowhere; now I'm in living in the middle of
    suburbia. (sigh)

    Jill

    You are not alone... :-( That is why I posted that.

    When all the farm land and orchards are covered with little ugly boxes, what are we going to eat?

    K.

    each other, i guess.

    your pal, blake

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