Tony Richards at Lakelandcam has posted pictures of a walk up Dodd today. It's strange seeing the summit free of forestry (although I knew it had been scalped a while ago) but I see there's a very stark stone monument on the summit with a memorial plaque to "Ian and John".
With all respect to the aforementioned, does anyone know who they were and why it was deemed appropriate that every visitor to Dodd summit should remember them? I dont recollect any other summit cairns similarly dedicated.
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Tony Richards at Lakelandcam has posted pictures of a walk up Dodd today. It's strange seeing the summit free of forestry (although I knew it had been scalped a while ago) but I see there's a very stark stone monument on the summit with a memorial plaque to "Ian and John".
With all respect to the aforementioned, does anyone know who they were and why it was deemed appropriate that every visitor to Dodd summit should remember them? I dont recollect any other summit cairns similarly dedicated.
I spotted the same up there last October and expressed to myself my dissatisfaction at the clutter up there. It is not the only summit to be despoiled by a memorial though. For example - Stuchd an Lochain.
With all respect to the aforementioned, does anyone know who they
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why it was deemed appropriate that every visitor to Dodd summit
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remember them? I dont recollect any other summit cairns similarly
dedicated.
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I spotted the same up there last October and expressed to myself my dissatisfaction at the clutter up there. It is not the only summit
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despoiled by a memorial though. For example - Stuchd an Lochain.
I do not recall a memorial on Stuchd an Lochain but there is a plaque set into the cairn at the top of the buttress on Stuc a'Chroin so it may be this one that you are referring to. I think the word despoiled could be a bit strong though as many walkers would pass this memorial without realising what it is as the engraving is on the reverse of the cairn if you approach up the buttress and the "normal" descent takes you away from it on to the ridge. I agree I would not want to see many more of these but do not really find them intrusive, just thought provoking.
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I spotted the same up there last October and expressed to myself my dissatisfaction at the clutter up there. It is not the only summit to be despoiled by a memorial though. For example - Stuchd an Lochain.
I've just remembered a hill on Achill Island in Ireland - the sort with a road to the top and a large radio mast. Large swathes of the summit plateau are given over to hundreds of personal shrines. But it was clearly a long- standing feature of that local community so it needed no more explanation. To come across two names without explanation on a summit cairn where I'd be apt to linger (but not, like AW, on a busy day) would give me a vague feeling that I was intruding on what someone else saw as a private spot.
With all respect to the aforementioned, does anyone know who they were and why it was deemed appropriate that every visitor to Dodd summit should remember them? I dont recollect any other summit cairns similarly dedicated.
I spotted the same up there last October and expressed to myself my dissatisfaction at the clutter up there. It is not the only summit to be despoiled by a memorial though. For example - Stuchd an Lochain.
I do not recall a memorial on Stuchd an Lochain but there is a plaque set into the cairn at the top of the buttress on Stuc a'Chroin so it may be this one that you are referring to. I think the word despoiled could be a bit strong though as many walkers would pass this memorial without realising what it is as the engraving is on the reverse of the cairn if you approach up the buttress and the "normal" descent takes you away from it on to the ridge. I agree I would not want to see many more of these but do not really find them intrusive, just thought provoking.
The plaques one comes across at the sites of various mishaps generally seem quite appropriate, form part of the history of the place and, as you say, are thought provoking. Normally the inscriptions explain why they are there so you think your thoughts and move on. A couple of names on a new summit cairn, lacking explanation, are more likely to remind me of an engraved bench at someone's favourite view - or even sponsorship of works! That's fine in lots of places, but if that's all there is to it here we might be in for a new kind of posthumous race to claim one's favourite summit.
But I dont mean to pre-judge "Ian and John" so I'm still genuinely interested to know the reason for the memorial.
Latest victim I have come across is Rubers Law, near Hawick. Chippers have stuck a plaque commemorating the 2000th aniversary of the birth of a pretty good egg up there... but leave the rock alone.
I think the word despoiled could be a bit strong though as many walkers would pass this memorial without realising what it is as the engraving is on the reverse of the cairn if you approach up the buttress and the "normal" descent takes you away from it on to the ridge.
There is a plaque on Castel y Gwynt between the two Glyders. Never seen it myself but it was spotted on Expedition 1 and Paul Saunders had a stab at translating the Welsh. I can't remember what it was about. -- Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
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I agree I would not want to see many more of these but do not really find them intrusive, just thought provoking.
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Isn't the top of Dodd privately owned? Presumably this type of monument/memorial can only be put up (or at least left up) with the consent of the landowner?
Walking on the North Cornwall coast in the Autumn, I seem to remember a plaque erected by the National Trust near Pentire Head with a piece of poetry - an extract from a World War One poem - inscribed on it. Views were divided as to whether it was a thought-provoking and suitable addition to the landscape or whether it was an eyesore in a place that should have been left "natural".
Final thought - I guess that very few would take exception with the Great Gable memorial tablet. I think there's a big difference between commemoration of "public" events and incidents, which would have some resonance for most visitors, and what seems to be an essentially private memorial.
There is a plaque on Castel y Gwynt between the two Glyders. Never seen it myself but it was spotted on Expedition 1 and Paul Saunders had a stab at translating the Welsh. I can't remember what it was about.
Can't remember the details but almost certainly to do with someone dying, although not phrased so obviously. It needs someone with better Welsh than mine to translate it properly.
On 27 Jan 2004 17:53:17 GMT, Stuart Mann <[email hidden]>
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Tony Richards at Lakelandcam has posted pictures of a walk up Dodd today. It's strange seeing the summit free of forestry (although I knew it had been scalped a while ago) but I see there's a very stark stone monument on the summit with a memorial plaque to "Ian and John".
With all respect to the aforementioned, does anyone know who they were and why it was deemed appropriate that every visitor to Dodd summit should remember them? I dont recollect any other summit cairns similarly dedicated.
There's a cairn and plaque above Dovestone Reservoir on the Saddleworth Edges (an area endowed with a few such memorials) in memory of two local climbers who died in the Dolomites in 1972. It was particularly evocative for me as it brought back memories of seeing it's counterpart at the foot of the Second Sella Tower - a route that provided us with a benightment in poor conditions and an epic descent just two years after Brian Tose and Tom Morton lost their lives in a similar situation in 1972.
There is a sketch of this cairn on page 19 of Mark Richards' High Peak Walks.
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Tony Richards at Lakelandcam has posted pictures of a walk up Dodd today. It's strange seeing the summit free of forestry (although I knew it had been scalped a while ago) but I see there's a very stark stone monument on the summit with a memorial plaque to "Ian and John".
With all respect to the aforementioned, does anyone know who they were and why it was deemed appropriate that every visitor to Dodd summit should remember them? I dont recollect any other summit cairns similarly dedicated.
There's a cairn and plaque above Dovestone Reservoir on the Saddleworth Edges (an area endowed with a few such memorials) in memory of two local climbers who died in the Dolomites in 1972. It was particularly evocative for me as it brought back memories of seeing it's counterpart at the foot of the Second Sella Tower - a route that provided us with a benightment in poor conditions and an epic descent just two years after Brian Tose and Tom Morton lost their lives in a similar situation in 1972.
There is a sketch of this cairn on page 19 of Mark Richards' High Peak Walks.
There are loads of memorials that are not right at the summit. One that puzzled me was on Darnaw and mentions the Daily Express Dragon Fly airplane crash. I cannot find any information on this anywhere.
There are loads of memorials that are not right at the summit. One that puzzled me was on Darnaw and mentions the Daily Express Dragon Fly airplane crash. I cannot find any information on this anywhere.
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Hehe - I've got a good reference book I can recommend, Tim. It's......Oh - you wrote it :-)
OK, I set myself up for that one! Presumably as we speak, some-one (not me!) is planning a book on monuments and memorials of the Lake District with a full ticklist. Mountain lists, I understand. Tarn lists, I *think* I understand. Not sure I'd try anything else, but I'm sure people do ...
Tim.
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