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  1. Original post
    David Skinner
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    ananova.comsm 858065.html

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    Magazine blunder directs walkers over cliff

    Britain's biggest-selling hillwalking magazine has apologised after the latest issue contained a
    route that would have led climbers off the edge of a cliff.

    The February edition of Trail gave advice to walkers caught in foul weather and poor visibility on
    how to get off Britain's tallest peak safely.

    If readers had followed the magazine's directions they would have plunged from Ben Nevis' north
    face, which has claimed a number of lives.

    Editor Guy Procter said he was "gutted" by the error, but did not believe it would endanger anyone's
    life. He said the article was written by a very experienced hillwalker from Loch Lomond and the
    mistake had occurred during the production process.

    "Somewhere in the journey to press, our route on Ben Nevis has lost the first of two bearings needed
    to get off the summit safely," he said. The first bearing of 150 metres for evading a dangerous
    gully had been deleted, leaving only the second bearing to follow, he added.

    The Mountaineering Council for Scotland has issued an alert on its website warning hillwalkers to be
    aware of the mistake. Spokesman Roger Wild said: "Getting off Ben Nevis is probably one of the most
    infamous navigational tasks in the British Isles.

    "Trail omitted the first bearing of 231 degrees which leads you away from Gardyloo Gully and only
    printed the second dogleg bearing that leads you off the summit. Anyone following that route in poor
    visibility and with snow cover could easily have walked straight off the edge."

    Peterborough-based Trail, which has a circulation of 36,000, was criticised last year for claiming
    popular routes were snow-free, even in winter. Mountain rescue teams branded the article on the
    three routes in the Cairngorms, the Highlands and the Lake District, irresponsible and inaccurate.

    Mr Procter said today: "I'm quite gutted at this mistake because we print up to 200 of these routes
    a year and this is the first time we've got it wrong.

    "No Trail reader would countenance going out on any mountain without a map, and the route is given a
    high technical rating, serving further to deter the novice. This gives me reason to be optimistic
    that our omission will swiftly be picked up by our readers."

    Story filed: 16:21 Wednesday 21st January 2004

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  2. Katherine
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    David Skinner said:

    ananova.comsm 858065.html

    -----------

    Magazine blunder directs walkers over cliff

    Britain's biggest-selling hillwalking magazine has apologised after the latest issue contained a
    route that would have led climbers off the edge of a cliff.

    The February edition of Trail gave advice to walkers caught in foul weather and poor visibility on
    how to get off Britain's tallest peak safely.

    If readers had followed the magazine's directions they would have plunged from Ben Nevis' north
    face, which has claimed a number of lives.

    Editor Guy Procter said he was "gutted" by the error, but did not believe it would endanger
    anyone's life. He said the article was written by a very experienced hillwalker from Loch Lomond
    and the mistake had occurred during the production process.

    "Somewhere in the journey to press, our route on Ben Nevis has lost the first of two bearings
    needed to get off the summit safely," he said. The first bearing of 150 metres for evading a
    dangerous gully had been deleted, leaving only the second bearing to follow, he added.

    Sounds like they needed a proofreader!

    Katherine

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  3. Bob
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    David Skinner said:

    This gives me reason to be optimistic that our omission will swiftly be picked up by our readers."

    As they hurtle over the cliff edge?

    Bob

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  4. Rj Webb
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    On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:15:53 +0000, Bob <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    David Skinner said:

    This gives me reason to be optimistic that our omission will swiftly be picked up by our readers."

    As they hurtle over the cliff edge?

    Yes.. who will pick(scrape?) up their readers?

    Richard Webb

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  5. Craven Birds
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    "Katherine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Skinner said:

    ananova.comsm 858065.html

    -----------

    Magazine blunder directs walkers over cliff

    Britain's biggest-selling hillwalking magazine has apologised after the latest issue contained a
    route that would have led climbers off the edge of a cliff.

    The February edition of Trail gave advice to walkers caught in foul weather and poor visibility
    on how to get off Britain's tallest peak safely.

    If readers had followed the magazine's directions they would have plunged from Ben Nevis' north
    face, which has claimed a number of lives.

    Editor Guy Procter said he was "gutted" by the error, but did not believe it would endanger
    anyone's life. He said the article was written by a very experienced hillwalker from Loch Lomond
    and the mistake had occurred during the production process.

    "Somewhere in the journey to press, our route on Ben Nevis has lost the first of two bearings
    needed to get off the summit safely," he said. The first bearing of 150 metres for evading a
    dangerous gully had been deleted, leaving only the second bearing to follow, he added.

    Sounds like they needed a proofreader!

    I wouldn't imagine a proof-reader would have spotted that mistake;-)

    CB
    --
    Craven Birds

    Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
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  6. Druidh
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    "RJ Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bob said:
    David Skinner said:

    This gives me reason to be optimistic that our omission will swiftly be picked up by our
    readers."

    As they hurtle over the cliff edge?

    Yes.. who will pick(scrape?) up their readers?

    I believe that Trail will be giving away a free plastic sack with next months "episode" - all the
    better to collect body parts with.

    However, I foresee that they'll fail to warn their readers of being hit by falling Trail readers
    while searching for bodies beneath Gardyloo Gully and that that the BBC will have to interview the
    SMC, Tim Walker et al all over again!

    druidh

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  7. Gordon
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    Craven Birds <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like they needed a proofreader!

    I wouldn't imagine a proof-reader would have spotted that mistake;-)


    Ironically - I think they would, assuming that the original draft was correct. My mate was a proof
    reader, and they have to be able to detach from what they are reading, and should spot an omission,
    which this apparently was.

    However, in this case it should also have been validated by the author.
    --
    Gordon

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  8. Craven Birds
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    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Craven Birds <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like they needed a proofreader!

    I wouldn't imagine a proof-reader would have spotted that mistake;-)


    Ironically - I think they would, assuming that the original draft was correct. My mate was a proof
    reader, and they have to be able to detach from what they are reading, and should spot an
    omission, which this apparently was.

    However, in this case it should also have been validated by the author.

    Validated by the author? Who would that be! How many magazines use a proof-reader nowadays? Not many
    due to computerisation of printing matter a different matter when it had to be type sett ;-)

    CB
    --
    Craven Birds

    Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
    cravenbirds.mysite.freeserve.comcravenbirds.mysite.freeserve.com
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  9. Stuart Mann
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    #9

    "Craven Birds" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Craven Birds <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    > Sounds like they needed a proofreader!

    I wouldn't imagine a proof-reader would have spotted that mistake;-)


    Ironically - I think they would, assuming that the original draft was correct. My mate was a
    proof reader, and they have to be able to detach from what they are reading, and should spot an
    omission, which this apparently was.

    However, in this case it should also have been validated by the author.

    Validated by the author? Who would that be! How many magazines use a proof-reader nowadays? Not
    many due to computerisation of printing matter a different matter when it had to be type sett ;-)


    Anyone who publishes safety-critical information should take all necessary steps to validate both
    the information and the process used to publish it. Computerisation increases the need for effective
    validation processes.

    Stuart

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  10. Katherine
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    Stuart Mann said:

    "Craven Birds" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Craven Birds <[email hidden]> wrote

    >>Sounds like they needed a proofreader!
    >>
    >I wouldn't imagine a proof-reader would have spotted that mistake;-)
    >
    >
    Ironically - I think they would, assuming that the original draft was correct. My mate was a
    proof reader, and they have to be able to detach from what they are reading, and should spot an
    omission, which this apparently was.

    However, in this case it should also have been validated by the author.


    Validated by the author? Who would that be! How many magazines use a proof-reader nowadays? Not
    many due to computerisation of printing matter a different matter when it had to be type sett ;-)


    Anyone who publishes safety-critical information should take all necessary steps to validate both
    the information and the process used to publish it. Computerisation increases the need for
    effective validation processes.

    Stuart

    And using spell check isn't enough.

    Katherine

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  11. Craven Birds
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    #11

    "Stuart Mann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Craven Birds" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Craven Birds <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    >> Sounds like they needed a proofreader!
    >
    >I wouldn't imagine a proof-reader would have spotted that mistake;-)
    >
    Ironically - I think they would, assuming that the original draft was correct. My mate was a
    proof reader, and they have to be able to detach from what they are reading, and should spot an
    omission, which this apparently was.

    However, in this case it should also have been validated by the author.

    Validated by the author? Who would that be! How many magazines use a proof-reader nowadays?
    Not many due to computerisation of printing matter a different matter when it had to be type
    sett ;-)


    Anyone who publishes safety-critical information should take all necessary steps to validate both
    the information and the process used to publish it. Computerisation increases the need for
    effective validation processes.

    This subject has been blown up out of all proportion! Let me know when anyone drops over the edge,
    due to using information gleaned from this mag. With a distribution in the uk of about 1000 :-0

    CB
    --
    Craven Birds

    Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
    cravenbirds.mysite.freeserve.comcravenbirds.mysite.freeserve.com
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  12. Treefrog
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    #12

    "Katherine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Stuart Mann said:

    "Craven Birds" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    >Craven Birds <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    >>>Sounds like they needed a proofreader!
    >>>
    >>I wouldn't imagine a proof-reader would have spotted that mistake;-)
    >>
    >>
    >Ironically - I think they would, assuming that the original draft was correct. My mate was a
    >proof reader, and they have to be able to detach from what they are reading, and should spot an
    >omission, which this apparently was.
    >
    >However, in this case it should also have been validated by the author.
    >
    Validated by the author? Who would that be! How many magazines use a proof-reader nowadays?
    Not many due to computerisation of printing matter a different matter when it had to be type
    sett ;-)


    Anyone who publishes safety-critical information should take all


    necessary

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    steps to validate both the information and the process used to publish


    it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Computerisation increases the need for effective validation processes.

    Stuart

    And using spell check isn't enough.

    That's it! They used MS word to write the article and the paper clip popped up with "I notice your
    trying to write a Ben Nevis summit guide, would you like Microsoft to complete it for you". Well,
    the poor fool must of clicked Ok. So, this is all Microsofts fault and not Trail mags. ;o)

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  13. Gordon
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    #13

    Stuart Mann <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Validated by the author? Who would that be! How many magazines use a proof-reader nowadays? Not
    many due to computerisation of printing matter a different matter when it had to be type sett ;-)


    Anyone who publishes safety-critical information should take all necessary steps to validate both
    the information and the process used to publish it. Computerisation increases the need for
    effective validation processes.

    Stuart


    The company my friend recently retired from was computerised way back, but still thought it worth
    while to employ him, and as Katherine said, it isn't just a matter of spell-checking, it has to
    match the original.

    If there was a mishap because of a less than professional magazine making such a dangerous error,
    the resultant corpse would want to know who to sue. ;-)

    I never trust walk descriptions from magazines without plotting the route on a map, because I have
    found them frequently misleading or plain wrong.
    --
    Gordon

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  14. Gordon
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    #14

    Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Gordon said:


    I never trust walk descriptions from magazines without plotting the route on a map, because I have
    found them frequently misleading or plain wrong.

    And then there's those that give the length of the walk in hours.....


    That would be Gladys, in her South Pennines book. :-)
    --
    Gordon

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  15. Paul Rooney
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    On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:56:23 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Stuart Mann <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Validated by the author? Who would that be! How many magazines use a proof-reader nowadays?
    Not many due to computerisation of printing matter a different matter when it had to be type
    sett ;-)


    Anyone who publishes safety-critical information should take all necessary steps to validate both
    the information and the process used to publish it. Computerisation increases the need for
    effective validation processes.

    Stuart


    The company my friend recently retired from was computerised way back, but still thought it worth
    while to employ him, and as Katherine said, it isn't just a matter of spell-checking, it has to
    match the original.

    If there was a mishap because of a less than professional magazine making such a dangerous error,
    the resultant corpse would want to know who to sue. ;-)

    I never trust walk descriptions from magazines without plotting the route on a map, because I have
    found them frequently misleading or plain wrong.

    And then there's those that give the length of the walk in hours.....

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003):

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

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  16. Paul Saunders
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    Paul Rooney said:

    And then there's those that give the length of the walk in hours.....

    Pont Nedd Fechan to Sgwd Gwladus and return - 3 hours 22 minutes.

    Paul
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  17. Adrian Tupper
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    Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    And then there's those that give the length of the walk in hours.....

    250m ascent in 40 mins. 250m descent in 20 mins. Add to that the time for any walk-ins and
    ridges. Try it.

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    Adrian

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  18. Ian Dainty
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    #18

    "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Pont Nedd Fechan to Sgwd Gwladus and return - 3 hours 22 minutes.

    Paul

    Troll alert.

    Ian.

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  19. Craven Birds
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    "Adrian Tupper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    And then there's those that give the length of the walk in hours.....

    250m ascent in 40 mins. 250m descent in 20 mins. Add to that the time for any walk-ins and
    ridges. Try it.

    Didn't work for me on Mont Blanc :-0

    --
    Craven Birds

    Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks. cravenbirds.mysite.freeserve.comcravenbirds.mysite.freeserve.com
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  20. Paul Saunders
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    #20
    Gordon said:

    That would be Gladys, in her South Pennines book. :-)

    Any relation to Sgwd?

    Paul
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