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  1. Wednesday 12th November

    It is all very well setting the alarm for 5am to wake oneself up if asleep but if one is lying there
    awake already there comes a time when it just isn’t worth waiting for the alarm to go off. In my
    case that time came at 4.30am.

    If these words look familiar it is because I used the self same words to open my Martindale circuit
    TR but history has a habit of repeating itself. Actually it was 4.32am this time but the principle
    is the same.

    It was still raining when I left at 5.45am and still raining when I crossed into Cumbria even though
    the BBC weatherman at 5 was forecasting the rain many miles to the East by 6 and cleverly avoiding
    use of the weather radar which would have proved him wrong. But worse was to come - cloud down to
    less than 1300 feet over the Kirkstone Pass and a touch of damp in the air as I arrived at the
    carpark North of Brotherswater.

    I had originally intended to walk North along the road for a bit to pick up the path that followed
    the ridge up to Hartsop above How but the ‘you are here’ map display at the carpark showed a path
    straight up the side of the ridge so I took that instead. A steep start and a rather unwelcome one
    with the lower stages of the path obscured by fallen leaves.

    The ridge was (relatively) quickly reached and with it a cool breeze and the inevitable mental
    argument of whether to don a sweater and if so, when. I pushed on thinking I would stop on the
    summit but little humps came and went and it wasn’t till the last on the ridge (and several humps
    past the supposed summit of Hartsop above How) that I finally weakened and put on the sweater. By
    this time there was a little drizzle in the air and as the short stop had made me cold as well so I
    was now debating with myself whether the Gortex should come out. (It never did but the sweater
    stayed on all day).

    Ahead the summit of Hart Crag was shrouded in cloud but as the traverse below the summit looked a
    bit rocky I took in the summit anyway. Some of the rocks on Hart Crag were slippery, several very
    slippery and I had one or two embarrassing moments as I struggled to keep upright.

    Dove Crag was out of the cloud and to the East at least it was beginning to break up with glimpses
    of sun over Windermere. As I paused on the summit of Dove Crag I saw a stationary figure near the
    top of the slope leading down to Little Hart Crag. Then he was off running down the steep path and
    by the time I reached the point where I had seen him he had almost reached Little Hart Crag. I
    missed which way he went and I saw him no more although latter in the day I followed his footprints
    for a while.

    From Little Hart Crag I dropped down to High Hartsop Dod. The first summit had a prominent cairn but
    the spot height was the lower summit one eighth of a mile further on. All the time the weather was
    continuing to improve and this section at least was largely out of the wind.

    Back up the ridge and traversing easily below the summit of Little Hart Crag on what might have
    been a sheep trod (but a good one) I reached Scandale Pass. As I stood deciding which way to go a
    small hawk hovered overhead, fluttering its wings to keep stationary. I had originally intended to
    take Wainwrights alternative route to Middle Dod but it looked so unappealing that I opted to go
    via Red Screes instead. It is a long pull from Scandale Pass up to Red Screes (or so my legs told
    me at the time) but worth it both to avoid the grotty direct route to Middle Dod and for the view
    over Windermere. By this time the East was largely in sunshine and Bowfell and Crinkle Crags could
    be seen although both the big hills behind and the Coniston Fells were in cloud as was Helvellyn
    behind me.

    Middle Dod was yet another Ridge masquerading as a summit but in this case without the several
    alternatives. It was also a very steep descent but by no means as bad as it had looked from across
    the valley on High Hartsop Dod. I followed a quite distinct path down and near the bottom the track
    through the grass led right up to the edge of a vertical drop and stopped. I had to backtrack a bit
    to get round it. From the base of the ridge it was just an easy walk (a few rabbits along the track
    and a solitary Mallard on Brotherswater) back to the car and a late lunch.

    10.1 miles and 3800 feet of ascent in 5 hours 30 minutes. Another victory for Naismith. :-)

    After lunch I drove down the Valley and parked near the White Lion for what was intended to be a
    quick walk up and down Arnison Crag. By now the weather was almost perfect with little cloud and
    plenty of sun. I really should have discarded my sweater for the ascent but I didn’t.

    The summit was occupied when I arrived (only the second walker I had seen above the valley floor and
    the first close enough to speak to). I stayed chatting for perhaps 5 to 10 minutes before heading
    down again. As my acquaintance said it might be a small hill but it is a very good view point.

    11.74 miles and 950 feet of ascent in 1 hour.

    8 Wainwrights but unfortunately only 5 new to me. Still better than last Wednesdays walk with a
    friend though. 6 Wainwrights mostly in cloud and a nasty cold wind and none of them new.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  2. Roger Chapman said:

    Wednesday 12th November


    <snip>

    Interesting TR, Roger. I also nearly came a cropper on Hart Crag's slippy rocks. What's the
    tally now?

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
    Wainwrights

    Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: justgiving.comlondon2004

  3. Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> wrote:
    [ afine TR, which I've snipped, and also.... ]

    Quoted message said:

    It is all very well setting the alarm for 5am to wake oneself up if asleep but if one is lying
    there awake already there comes a time when it just isn't worth waiting for the alarm to go off.
    In my case that time came at 4.30am.

    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who does this! I normally leave for the Lakes between 0315
    and 0345 on Saturday mornings, have the alarm set for something like 0230, and am nearly
    *always* awake before it goes off, and get up early. I think my brain realises that hills are
    much more fun than sleeping!

    Mark
    --
    Mark Manning [email hidden]

  4. John Laird <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    *Nothing* sounds quite like a RR Merlin engine.


    There is a Preservation Society just for the engine I think. I was at a transport rally at
    Woodvale earlier this year and they had a Merlin engine mounted on a trolley with run-ups ever
    hour on the hour for enthusiasts. I was too busy filming some amazing model aircraft acrobatics
    and missed this. :-(
    --
    Gordon

  5. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    Interesting TR, Roger. I also nearly came a cropper on Hart Crag's slippy rocks.

    Thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    What's the tally now?

    Nearly there although with winter coming on it might be some considerable time before completion.

    Just 7 to do - Gray Crag, Troutdale Tongue, Knott Rigg, Ard Crags, Rannerdale Knott and finally
    Great Bourne and Starling Dodd. (Not all in one day, or even 2.)

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  6. Something I forgot to mention in my original report but which might be of some interest to
    plane spotters.

    When I was on the saddle between Red Screes and Middle Dod a piston engined plane which looked
    rather like a Hurricane flew through the Kirkstone Pass and passed well below me. Because of my
    position I only had a fleeting glimpse of it but it did seem about Hurricane size with that
    characteristic straight leading edge to the wing and curved trailing edge. What made recognition
    harder was that from above the plane was predominantly black and yellow with no roundels on the
    wings (or at least none that I noticed).

    During my descent it came through again at almost exactly my height (1289 feet per GPS) before
    diving down towards Brotherswater so again I didn't get a good view of it but it might just have had
    a RAF roundel on the fuselage just to the rear of the cockpit.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  7. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:14:24 GMT, Roger Chapman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Something I forgot to mention in my original report but which might be of some interest to plane
    spotters.

    When I was on the saddle between Red Screes and Middle Dod a piston engined plane which looked
    rather like a Hurricane flew through the Kirkstone Pass and passed well below me. Because of my
    position I only had a fleeting glimpse of it but it did seem about Hurricane size with that
    characteristic straight leading edge to the wing and curved trailing edge. What made recognition
    harder was that from above the plane was predominantly black and yellow with no roundels on the
    wings (or at least none that I noticed).

    During my descent it came through again at almost exactly my height (1289 feet per GPS) before
    diving down towards Brotherswater so again I didn't get a good view of it but it might just have
    had a RAF roundel on the fuselage just to the rear of the cockpit.

    There aren't many left flying, and the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight ones are rarely in anything
    but their original squadron camouflage schemes. Could it have been:
    merlinslair.freeserve.co.ukhurri3.htm or as seen this year:
    ebhn.beHugo (look for G_HURR). The bright red bits are rather
    noticeable, however.

    --
    I'm much too young to feel this damned old!

    Mail john rather than nospam...

  8. The message <[email hidden]>
    from John Laird <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    There aren't many left flying, and the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight ones are rarely in
    anything but their original squadron camouflage schemes. Could it have been:
    merlinslair.freeserve.co.ukhurri3.htm or as seen this year:
    ebhn.beHugo (look for G_HURR). The bright red bits are rather
    noticeable, however.

    Certainly not those.

    Difficult to see from those photos but I get the distinct impression that the trailing edge of the
    Hurricane wing is straight, much like the leading edge. On the plane I saw the trailing edge was
    very definitely curved so was I wrong about the leading edge? (I only got a quick glimpse of the
    wing shape). There are supposedly many more Spits flying than Hurricanes but in all probability it
    was neither.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  9. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:24 GMT, Roger Chapman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]> from John Laird <nospam@laird-
    towers.org.uk> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    There aren't many left flying, and the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight ones are rarely in
    anything but their original squadron camouflage schemes. Could it have been:
    merlinslair.freeserve.co.ukhurri3.htm or as seen this year:
    ebhn.beHugo (look for G_HURR). The bright red bits are rather
    noticeable, however.

    Certainly not those.

    Difficult to see from those photos but I get the distinct impression that the trailing edge of the
    Hurricane wing is straight, much like the leading edge. On the plane I saw the trailing edge was
    very definitely curved so was I wrong about the leading edge? (I only got a quick glimpse of the
    wing shape). There are supposedly many more Spits flying than Hurricanes but in all probability it
    was neither.

    The trailing edge of a Spitfire wing is very noticeably curved, yes. So is the leading edge, giving
    a completely unique plan view that most old fogeys can recognise :-) (Anyone over about 35.) Simple
    tapering wings were far more common, so I'm a bit at a loss as to what you might have seen if it was
    not a Spit.

    I don't suppose you were able to hear it ? *Nothing* sounds quite like a RR Merlin engine.

    --
    It takes years to get used to how old you are.

    Mail john rather than nospam...

  10. The message <[email hidden]>
    from John Laird <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    I don't suppose you were able to hear it ? *Nothing* sounds quite like a RR Merlin engine.

    I did hear it but I was uncertain what a Merlin sounds like when not screaming at full boost.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  11. On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:33:22 GMT, Roger Chapman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]> from John Laird <nospam@laird-
    towers.org.uk> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    I don't suppose you were able to hear it ? *Nothing* sounds quite like a RR Merlin engine.

    I did hear it but I was uncertain what a Merlin sounds like when not screaming at full boost.

    It still sounds pretty impressive. Here's one for the hairs on the back of your neck:
    spitcrazy.comspitsound.htm

    --
    We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse.

    Mail john rather than nospam...

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